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London children fainting in class because parents too poor to feed them

Look at the date. Your story is 9 years old.

Child poverty is a worry wherever it rears its head. There are children living in poverty under the Tory government, but since your story "broke" about 109 years ago, much has been done in British schools and wider society to address this: breakfast clubs in school, the increase in the minimum wage, the introduction of the living wage etc. Yes child poverty is sickening and no the Tory government, like many other governments around the world, doesn't go far enough in addressing it. I personally believe in the the extension of free school meals for poorer families and of course, the low wage economy needs to be addressed. Your thoughts?

Now to Russia, where I once saw a harrowing documentary about Moscow's street kids - homeless having been turfed out of their homes by poor parents, alcoholic parents and parents who just didn't give a s*it about them. Yes that was on TV several years ago, but since your own article is from 2012, I thought I'd throw it in.

Note: the once reputable Evening Standard has long fallen into disrepute since being taken over in 2009 (so 3 years before your article) by Evgeni Lebedev, a Russian oligarch. Wonder if this influenced your choice of ancient article, by any chance?
 
Look at the date. Your story is 9 years old.

Child poverty is a worry wherever it rears its head. There are children living in poverty under the Tory government, but since your story "broke" about 109 years ago, much has been done in British schools and wider society to address this: breakfast clubs in school, the increase in the minimum wage, the introduction of the living wage etc. Yes child poverty is sickening and no the Tory government, like many other governments around the world, doesn't go far enough in addressing it. I personally believe in the the extension of free school meals for poorer families and of course, the low wage economy needs to be addressed. Your thoughts?

Now to Russia, where I once saw a harrowing documentary about Moscow's street kids - homeless having been turfed out of their homes by poor parents, alcoholic parents and parents who just didn't give a s*it about them. Yes that was on TV several years ago, but since your own article is from 2012, I thought I'd throw it in.

Note: the once reputable Evening Standard has long fallen into disrepute since being taken over in 2009 (so 3 years before your article) by Evgeni Lebedev, a Russian oligarch. Wonder if this influenced your choice of ancient article, by any chance?
It's vengeance time.

Took him nearly 7 hours to retaliate.

To: https://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/345180-lunchless-russian-schoolchildren-fainting-hunger.html#post1069597967
 
3 posts in and we get 'whataboutism'. Who'd have thought :roll:


Yes, it was a 2012 story, but let me update you with a report from the UN rapporteur on extreme child poverty.

Things have got worse not better, and the funny thing is, I suspect that many of the right on bleeding heart liberals want to pretend this problem doesn't exist in the UK.



https://schoolsweek.co.uk/schools-forced-to-collect-food-for-hungry-pupils-warns-un-adviser/


The costs of austerity in the UK have fallen “disproportionately” on children, leaving them hungry at school and forcing teachers to collect food and send it home with their pupils, according to a United Nations poverty expert.

Professor Philip Alston, the UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, recently spent two weeks in the UK. He visited a primary school, several community groups, a food bank and other public services.

In his damning report, Alston warned that children are “showing up at school with empty stomachs, and schools are collecting food on an ad hoc basis and sending it home because teachers know that their students will otherwise go hungry”.
 
How is this topical?


Because RV started a thread on the problem in Russia.


I though the same problems affecting children in the West should get equal attention.
 
Because RV started a thread on the problem in Russia.


I though the same problems affecting children in the West should get equal attention.

'Topical' means of immediate interest due to current events. The article you referenced is from 2012. If the problems of children starving in Russia are happening now, what reason is there to reference a similar problem from 7 years ago?
 
They're not even remotely rationally comparable in scope and degree.

Nice fail.
Russian kids largely even go without school lunch.

And this guy talks about whataboutism.

Any thing to troll in the Putinista manner.
 
Things have got worse not better, and the funny thing is, I suspect that many of the right on bleeding heart liberals want to pretend this problem doesn't exist in the UK.



https://schoolsweek.co.uk/schools-forced-to-collect-food-for-hungry-pupils-warns-un-adviser/


The costs of austerity in the UK have fallen “disproportionately” on children, leaving them hungry at school and forcing teachers to collect food and send it home with their pupils, according to a United Nations poverty expert.

Professor Philip Alston, the UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, recently spent two weeks in the UK. He visited a primary school, several community groups, a food bank and other public services.

In his damning report, Alston warned that children are “showing up at school with empty stomachs, and schools are collecting food on an ad hoc basis and sending it home because teachers know that their students will otherwise go hungry”.

This is exactly what liberals and people on the left in the UK are saying, so why do you say:

", I suspect that many of the right on bleeding heart liberals want to pretend this problem doesn't exist in the UK." ??

You suspect wrong. However, do you deny that brutal levels of child poverty exist in Russia?
 
Having a friend who heads a venture directly involved in the business/field of food poverty ( a UK Leftist btw ) I am shocked and extremely angry about the situations he tells me about on a regular basis regarding the dire straits many people/children are forced to endure wrt to hunger and poverty

I think if we are honest it is a problem all over the world and should try to desist from from using it as a stick with which to beat this or that nation and focus on the reality that it is the result of an extremely unfair socio-economic global system being played out in the majority of countries around the world.

I find it especially hard to read/ listen to those pushing for increased military actions complaining about child poverty seeing as if there where an enforced curtailment of military spending in the countries affected for a year or two the problem might well be eradicated altogether !! BTW I'm not naive enough to think this would happen , just finding it hard to listen to people griping about it but supporting increased military actions ( and thus spending )
 
The more important issue in the UK is that a school lunch may alleviate the hunger of those kids coming from households that cannot afford breakfast or a proper supper, but only partly does for nutrition that kids need at that age.

I'd agree that austerity measures that lead to such problems are disgusting if such austerity is not more directed at fields that can far better afford it.

Equally disgusting, however, is when the OP instrumentalizes the issue in the infantile attempt "to get even" for far worse conditions having been addressed in his home country.

This cannot be about whose kids go hungrier and for the longer time, such a state of hunger is a disgrace anywhere.
 
Yes, it was a 2012 story, but let me update you with a report from the UN rapporteur on extreme child poverty.

Things have got worse not better,
You are lying.

Since Universal Credit began to be introduced in 2013 more children became (and are becoming) eligible for a free school meal. Which takes nothing from the fact that many miss out on the two important other meals, but also takes nothing from your lie of things having meanwhile become worse.
and the funny thing is, I suspect that many of the right on bleeding heart liberals want to pretend this problem doesn't exist in the UK.
I suggest that you take your suspicions and shove them into the dishonesty pot where the rest of your stuff resides.
 
Look at the date. Your story is 9 years old.

Child poverty is a worry wherever it rears its head. There are children living in poverty under the Tory government, but since your story "broke" about 109 years ago, much has been done in British schools and wider society to address this: breakfast clubs in school, the increase in the minimum wage, the introduction of the living wage etc. Yes child poverty is sickening and no the Tory government, like many other governments around the world, doesn't go far enough in addressing it. I personally believe in the the extension of free school meals for poorer families and of course, the low wage economy needs to be addressed. Your thoughts?

Now to Russia, where I once saw a harrowing documentary about Moscow's street kids - homeless having been turfed out of their homes by poor parents, alcoholic parents and parents who just didn't give a s*it about them. Yes that was on TV several years ago, but since your own article is from 2012, I thought I'd throw it in.

Note: the once reputable Evening Standard has long fallen into disrepute since being taken over in 2009 (so 3 years before your article) by Evgeni Lebedev, a Russian oligarch. Wonder if this influenced your choice of ancient article, by any chance?

Not only Russian-owned but edited by ex-austerity Chancellor George ****ing Osborne.
 
I think if we are honest it is a problem all over the world and should try to desist from from using it as a stick with which to beat this or that nation and focus on the reality that it is the result of an extremely unfair socio-economic global system being played out in the majority of countries around the world.

Indeed. A worldwide phenomenon:

https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/child-hunger-fact

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04...-children-suffer-from-food-insecurity/9653532

https://blogs.mediapart.fr/alberteins/blog/110918/un-francais-sur-cinq-ne-mange-pas-sa-faim

Capitalism and policies of austerity are failing poorer families. Corrupt systems are failing poorer families. The UK has its faults. France has its faults. All nations have their failings. Useless pretending Russia is a paradise when it's a hellhole.
 
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Slowly some of you are getting there, and Oneworkd is there already!

Child poverty is a global problem, not a specifically Russian one. Hence RV's thread was disingenuous, like so many.

I was amused to see people jumping on the 2012 story without bothering to question whether this was still a problem in 2019.

The UK has huge problems with not just child poverty but adult poverty, widespread use of food banks, mass inequality and huge social division. It's a disgraceful advert for globalisation.
 
Indeed. A worldwide phenomenon:

https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/child-hunger-fact

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04...-children-suffer-from-food-insecurity/9653532

https://blogs.mediapart.fr/alberteins/blog/110918/un-francais-sur-cinq-ne-mange-pas-sa-faim

Capitalism and policies of austerity are failing poorer families. Corrupt systems are failing poorer families. The UK has its faults. France has its faults. All nations have their failings. Useless pretending Russia is a paradise when it's a hellhole.

TBH I find this whole West v Russia jingoism/brinksmanship tedious , extremely dangerous and ultimately sure to be aiding the diverting of money away from populations further and into the ever expanding pockets of those in the arms trade . Imo , those involved in wanting to see a conflict or are happy to wish to escalate tensions really don't care about the plight of the poorest sectors of their societies and could be guilty of actually exploiting the sufferings of these people to create a situation that is even worse for them
 
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The UK has huge problems with not just child poverty but adult poverty, widespread use of food banks, mass inequality and huge social division. It's a disgraceful advert for globalisation.

Has nothing to do with Jews...er I mean globalisation. It has to do with failed right wing Thatcher/Reagan economics.

Scandinavia ain't perfect, but has been part of globalisation for ever and we don't have near the same problems. Same goes for Germany and other countries.

It comes down to domestic policies towards the lower half economy wise of the population and the UK has been hostile to said population for decades...hell you could argue centuries.

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I see this popping up here and there except with different cities cited. Odd.
 
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