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Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targeting

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In a February 2011 email, Ms. Lerner advised her staff—including then Exempt Organizations Technical Manager Michael Seto and then Rulings and Agreements director Holly Paz—that a Tea Party matter is "very dangerous," and is something "Counsel and [Lerner adviser] Judy Kindell need to be in on." Ms. Lerner adds, "Cincy should probably NOT have these cases."
Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH
 

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Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH
Leftists will not be dismayed to learn this (though it was certainly suspected) because right now the bureaucracy is on their side. But what happens when an extreme right wing government takes over and places those extremists in charge of the bureaucracies? Then they will get a better realization of how important it is for the very powerful bureaucracies to remain impartial and within the law. But of course it will be too late.
 

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Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

Move on, nothing to see here, obama said so.


Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH
 

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Re: Lois Lerner's Own Words Emails undercut the official IRS story on political targe

Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH

Every premise pushed by this piece is a focused lie using selective quoting to promote a specific idea. The idea that the IRS focused solely on right wing groups attempting to circumvent the rules. But reality has never been all that important to some folks, now has it?
 

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Every premise pushed by this piece is a focused lie using selective quoting to promote a specific idea. The idea that the IRS focused solely on right wing groups attempting to circumvent the rules. But reality has never been all that important to some folks, now has it?
Another socialist who won't read anything that may interfere with deeply held beliefs.

But is there any other kind?
 

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Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH


Since a non-profit status can be achieved via the 527 tax code, why did the political organizations choose 501 c4? Well, the answer lies in the story you posted:


wsj said:
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee had complained to the Federal Election Commission that conservative groups like Crossroads GPS and Americans for Prosperity should be treated as political committees, rather than 501(c)(4)s, which are tax-exempt social welfare groups that do not have to disclose their donors.
http://www.lawprofessorblogs.com/taxprof/linkdocs/2005-3455-1.pdf
 

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Another socialist who won't read anything that may interfere with deeply held beliefs.

But is there any other kind?

Another rightie denying reality is what I see.
 

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Since a non-profit status can be achieved via the 527 tax code, why did the political organizations choose 501 c4? Well, the answer lies in the story you posted:
http://www.lawprofessorblogs.com/taxprof/linkdocs/2005-3455-1.pdf
"Perhaps the FEC will save the day," Ms. Lerner wrote back later that morning.

That response suggests Ms. Lerner's political leanings, and it also raises questions about Ms. Lerner's intentions in a separate email exchange she had when an FEC investigator inquired about the status of the conservative group the American Future Fund. The FEC and IRS don't have the authority to share that information under section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code. But the bigger question is why did they want to? After the FEC inquiry, the American Future Fund also got a questionnaire from the IRS.
It is clear what Lerner meant by "saving the day", isn't it? Is this how you really want the powerful IRS, and other bureaucracies, to behave? Are you not considering what the future may hold if these bureaucracies gain too much power over American citizens? This is very, very short-sighted.
 

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It is clear what Lerner meant by "saving the day", isn't it? Is this how you really want the powerful IRS, and other bureaucracies, to behave? Are you not considering what the future may hold if these bureaucracies gain too much power over American citizens? This is very, very short-sighted.
liberals don't give a rats ass as long as it is the right that gets targeted
 

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It is clear what Lerner meant by "saving the day", isn't it? Is this how you really want the powerful IRS, and other bureaucracies, to behave? Are you not considering what the future may hold if these bureaucracies gain too much power over American citizens? This is very, very short-sighted.
What's clear to me is that the political groups sought 501 c4 rather than 527 IRS status because they don't want their donors known.
 

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What's clear to me is that the political groups sought 501 c4 rather than 527 IRS status because they don't want their donors known.
do you blame them you seen what happened when Romneys donors was made public they where attacked by Obamas henchman

I want you to explain how Obama for America the Obama campaign organization. after the election changed their name to Organizing for Action and received the 501c4 status within months? And don't you dare try to say Organizing for Action is not political hell they are using the Obama campaign symbol has his picture on the first page of their web site and are doing nothing but promoting Obamas agenda
Barack Obama
will you look at that even there web address has Obamas name in it

so you need to stop with your foolish BS right now because no one is believing your crap
 
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What's clear to me is that the political groups sought 501 c4 rather than 527 IRS status because they don't want their donors known.
And nothing more than that, I know.

It's such a damned shame that this once great country, which once led the world in almost every category, has been reduced to this. It's hardly even worth debating anymore.
 

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do you blame them you seen what happened when Romneys donors was made public they where attacked by Obamas henchman

I want you to explain how Obama for America the Obama campaign organization. after the election changed their name to Organizing for Action and received the 501c4 status within months? And don't you dare try to say Organizing for Action is not political hell they are using the Obama campaign symbol has his picture on the first page of their web site and are doing nothing but promoting Obamas agenda
Barack Obamawill you look at that even there web address has Obamas name in it
so you need to stop your foolish BS right now no one is believing your crap

But I think he really believes it and there are millions more like him. How can any country survive this sort of deliberate devotion and blindness? His response is what you might expect in North Korea.
 

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Another socialist who won't read anything that may interfere with deeply held beliefs.

But is there any other kind?
Another fascist who ignores what is actually being said by people who disagree with him.

However, is there any other kind?
 

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But I think he really believes it and there are millions more like him. How can any country survive this sort of deliberate devotion and blindness? His response is what you might expect in North Korea.
because liberalism is a cult they are no better then the idiots that followed Jim Jones to their death

Another fascist who ignores what is actually being said by people who disagree with him.

However, is there any other kind?
you will be one of the first in line when Obama tells you to drink the Kool Aid wont you
 

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Another fascist who ignores what is actually being said by people who disagree with him.

However, is there any other kind?
The left has become bereft of originality or any meaningful critical thought. They are programmed to defend leftist policies no matter the consequences, or how their credibility might suffer. No pride remains.

the deliberate dumbing down of america - A Chronological Paper Trail: A Chronological Paper Trail: Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, Charlotte Iserbyt-Thomson, cynthia weatherly, joel pett: 9780966707106: Amazon.com: Books
 

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Another fascist who ignores what is actually being said by people who disagree with him.

However, is there any other kind?
Well yes. Those government employees who plead the 5th because they don't want the world to know how corrupt their political handlers are. Which of course might help prevent criminal conspiracy charges from being filed against them and their political handlers.
 

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do you blame them you seen what happened when Romneys donors was made public they where attacked by Obamas henchman

I want you to explain how Obama for America the Obama campaign organization. after the election changed their name to Organizing for Action and received the 501c4 status within months? And don't you dare try to say Organizing for Action is not political hell they are using the Obama campaign symbol has his picture on the first page of their web site and are doing nothing but promoting Obamas agenda
Barack Obama
will you look at that even there web address has Obamas name in it

so you need to stop with your foolish BS right now because no one is believing your crap
I am not going to try to justify what Obama did with his organization because I don't know the rules or exactly what his organization does. It's very possible his organization should not have gotten the non profit status, but I don't know.

Here's my feling on the subject:

1. I don't believe the IRS should be in the business of determining whether and organization is political or not. Either they are or they arn't.

2. Donors to political campaigns should not be able to do it anonymously.
 

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I am not going to try to justify what Obama did with his organization because I don't know the rules or exactly what his organization does. It's very possible his organization should not have gotten the non profit status, but I don't know.

Here's my feling on the subject:

1. I don't believe the IRS should be in the business of determining whether and organization is political or not. Either they are or they arn't.
You're right but that's what the IRS did do. The question is, how can you right this wrong so that so that all Americans have an equal say? Any prejudice against others now might one day be a prejudice against you.
 

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I am not going to try to justify what Obama did with his organization because I don't know the rules or exactly what his organization does. It's very possible his organization should not have gotten the non profit status, but I don't know.

Here's my feling on the subject:

1. I don't believe the IRS should be in the business of determining whether and organization is political or not. Either they are or they arn't.

2. Donors to political campaigns should not be able to do it anonymously.
why not what keeps the winner of the election from using his power to punish who donated to his opponent to keep them or others from doing the same in the future

like this

Wealthy businessman Frank VanderSloot, a major Mitt Romney super PAC donor who was subjected to three federal agency audits after being slimed by the Obama campaign, says he isn’t the only one of his peers who was audited after donating to Romney.

VanderSloot, who was also national co-chair of the Romney campaign’s finance committee, was described in an April 2012 Obama campaign Web posting as one of eight “wealthy individuals with less-than-reputable records.”

Shortly after the post appeared, VanderSloot was subjected to two Internal Revenue Service audits — one focusing on his personal finances, the other related to his business interests — and a Labor Department audit of one of his businesses. When asked about whether any of the other seven donors who appeared on the list were audited as well, VanderSloot spoke cautiously, but did say he “wasn’t the only one.

Read more: Frank VanderSloot: 'I
 

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The right has become bereft of originality or any meaningful critical thought. They are programmed to defend fascist policies no matter the consequences, or how their credibility might suffer. No pride remains.

the deliberate dumbing down of america - A Chronological Paper Trail: A Chronological Paper Trail: Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, Charlotte Iserbyt-Thomson, cynthia weatherly, joel pett: 9780966707106: Amazon.com: Books
Aquapub? Is that you?
 

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Phoney scandals eh? I think that this is going to lead to Obama's campaign directors at the least, but we probably won't find out for sure til after he's out of office. I hope they do, but I am not holding my breath. These progressives are pretty good so far at stone walling.
 

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Review & Outlook: Lois Lerner's Own Words - WSJ.com

what was the liberal argument again? oh yah "it wasn't politically motivated"
I guess you liberals need to come up with another line what this makes 3 now

rouge employees out of Cincy-- proven a lie
Washington wasn't involved--proven a lie
it wasn't politically motivated--just got proven wrong

so im very interested to see the new line you liberals will come up with next to try to explain the unlawful IRS targeting of tea party groups

lastly who politically had the most to gain from the targeting? it wasn't Lois Lerner or any IRS employees they are not elected they have jobs no matter who is in the WH
Obama had the most to gain... obviously.

Obama puts into positions a bunch of small scale Obama's marching to the same twisted ideology. He knows they'll do battle a'la Alinsky without much or any prompting by him... Lois Lerner is merely in the image of Obama, doing the dirty work for the cause.

Add the press as a machine for propaganda and you've got quite the setup. It's hilarious to find 15 "journ-O-lists have "officially" joined the Obama regime." The remainder are just like Lois Lerner... but on the payroll of ... ahem... media companies, and claiming to be ROTFLOL... objective journalists.

Change you can believe in? You Betcha.
 

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do you blame them you seen what happened when Romneys donors was made public they where attacked by Obamas henchman

I want you to explain how Obama for America the Obama campaign organization. after the election changed their name to Organizing for Action and received the 501c4 status within months? And don't you dare try to say Organizing for Action is not political hell they are using the Obama campaign symbol has his picture on the first page of their web site and are doing nothing but promoting Obamas agenda
Barack Obama
will you look at that even there web address has Obamas name in it

so you need to stop with your foolish BS right now because no one is believing your crap
A party that send troops to war and then stabs them in the back, both actions for political expediency, is not a party you can expect much from in the area of morals and truth.

The only way to reach some of these Socialists, and you won't reach pbrauer, is to poke a stick in their eye repeatedly. Or, like a puppy that dropped a log on the carpet, you've got to bring doggie to doo and say... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... right away... so they might learn.

That's the only hope, but even then it is useless. They just keep defending the dropp'in, even when it's plain for all to see.

On second thought, the stick in the eye isn't enough, and once isn't enough... you need a javelin, and it need to go in and out like a jack hammer... as if it's being propelled by hydraulics. After about 5-years here it's obvious... rationale doesn't work well.
 

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A party that send troops to war and then stabs them in the back, both actions for political expediency, is not a party you can expect much from in the area of morals and truth.

The only way to reach some of these Socialists, and you won't reach pbrauer, is to poke a stick in their eye repeatedly. Or, like a puppy that dropped a log on the carpet, you've got to bring doggie to doo and say... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... right away... so they might learn.

That's the only hope, but even then it is useless. They just keep defending the dropp'in, even when it's plain for all to see.

On second thought, the stick in the eye isn't enough, and once isn't enough... you need a javelin, and it need to go in and out like a jack hammer... as if it's being propelled by hydraulics. After about 5-years here it's obvious... rationale doesn't work well.
I've learned liberalism is a cult the are just as propagandized and brainwashed as those stupid Jim Jones followers so willing to drink the Kool Aid even if it causes their own demise.
 
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