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Living in red America can be life-threatening

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The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?

Living in red America can be life-threatening

It should come as no surprise that the highest rates for covid-19 deaths and murders are found mainly in red states. A political mind-set that prioritizes racial resentment, anti-science zealotry and manufactured cultural wedge issues is not likely to be conducive to long, healthy lives. Indeed, antagonism toward “elites” (e.g., experts) often impedes common-sense measures that save lives.

Steven H. Woolf, a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University, writes in the Journal of American Medicine: “Disparities in health across the 50 states are growing, a trend that began in the 1990s. For example, in 1990, life expectancy in New York was lower than in Oklahoma, but the trajectories separated sharply in the 1990s and, by 2016, New York ranked third in life expectancy, whereas Oklahoma ranked 45th.” Moreover, “the widening gap cannot be explained by changes in the racial and ethnic composition of states, because the same trend occurred within racial and ethnic groups.”
[. . .]
The same divergence between red and blue states exists with respect to murder rates, as well. The center-left think tank Third Way reports: “In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.” Even more dramatically, “8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.”
[. . .]
The difference between red and blue states might be related to gun laws, higher levels of poverty (where red states also predominate), low education levels (also worse in red states), cruddy health care (same) or relatively low economic opportunity (again, red states dominate the worst states).
Whatever the specific reason, it’s clear the governing philosophy of right-wing states (e.g., low spending; prioritization of cultural wedge issues; anti-elitism) leads to deadly results.
 
The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?

Not "propaganda" at all, no, these are all well documented facts.

Undereducated, underinsured, underpaid, underachieving, the Conservative Right-to-Work Utopia is an outstanding societal model that every area should aspire to emulate.

Nice post, only a very ignorant person would even attempt to refute it IMO.
 
I can only add, from a personal point of view, that Americans are more anxious, depressed, and sadder than any other country I've visited.
Not everyone, of course, but still, an angry thread that runs through the populace. Seems to have started in the 80's. No answers, just questions.
 
an angry thread that runs through the populace.

Very true, I live in a heavy trumpturd area and its always the angry underachievers that shriek the loudest for their Reality TeeVee Messiah.

And through it all, a constant and common thread seems to be FOX "news". The underpinning of the ignorance.
 
The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?

Cue the righties whining about San Fran and Chicago in 3...2...1...
 
The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?
Spent any time in Chicago lately?

2021 violence stats the worst in nearly 30 years​

Over 1,000 homicides have already been recorded in Cook County in 2021 and we still have a month to go
Dec 3, 2021

Chicago can be pretty life threatening.

For post #5!! :p
 
The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?
Jennifer Rubin? Figures. She's a nitwit. Always stuffing her foot in her mouth.
 
Cue the righties whining about San Fran and Chicago in 3...2...1...

Nine minutes later:

Spent any time in Chicago lately?

2021 violence stats the worst in nearly 30 years​

Over 1,000 homicides have already been recorded in Cook County in 2021 and we still have a month to go
Dec 3, 2021

Chicago can be pretty life threatening.

For post #5!! :p

:LOL:
 
Caution for Asian Americans: Living in blue states could be hazardous to your health. Avoid subway platforms and sidewalks you never know when some guy in a hoodie could sucker punch you.
 
Caution for Asian Americans: Living in blue states could be hazardous to your health. Avoid subway platforms and sidewalks you never know when some guy in a hoodie could attack you.
A guy in a hoodie who was probably let out without bail after committing other acts of criminal conduct days or weeks before.
 
Caution for Asian Americans: Living in blue states could be hazardous to your health. Avoid subway platforms and sidewalks you never know when some guy in a hoodie could sucker punch you.

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The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?

Don't forget the red meat, bacon fat and deep-fried side diet.
 
The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. :rolleyes: Ravin'Rubin at her best.
 
Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda?

Not the numbers, but the conclusions drawn from them. From the article:

Although the divergence in state health trajectories might reflect changes in demographic and socioeconomic characteristics, a more likely potential explanation is the growing polarization of public policies across states. States assumed increasing powers decades ago, when the Reagan administration in the 1980s and the US Congress in the 1990s promoted devolution, a policy aimed at shifting authorities and resources (eg, block grants) to the states.

The political left views power at the state level to be bad, and centralized power at the federal level good. Someone on the right would see the opposite as being better. It depends on your opinion of government as an institution.

States with different political priorities and economic circumstances made diverse policy choices, widening the gap across the states in education, wages, taxes, social programs, corporate profits, wealth inequality, and infrastructure. Health outcomes changed as states took different approaches to Medicaid, workplace and product safety, the environment, tobacco control, food labeling, gun ownership, and needle exchange programs. These policies had predictable consequences. For example, states that raised cigarette taxes experienced fewer tobacco-related illnesses. Injury deaths increased in states that relaxed speed limits and motorcycle helmet laws.

Higher taxes make the smoking population poorer. Motorcycle helmet laws hurt riders who do not want to wear a helmet. Both policies involve trade-offs, there isn't one right answer, it depends on your values.

States are laboratories for experimentation, but fragmented health policy has consequences.

That's right, but whether those consequences are good or bad depends on your values.

Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?

It's more that the political left thinks there are "correct" policies, when in fact there are only trade offs.
 
Nine minutes later:



:LOL:
We can dish it out but not take it?
I have no excuse for anti vaxxers and the lack of common sense. The thing is, the south isn't the only messed up place. The homeless here might not be on the street, they live in run down trailers, but they exist nonetheless.
Cities like Chicago, Detroit, San Fran have their own problems. We can't just point fingers in one direction. Unless we admit that problems exist everywhere, we probably won't find solutions.
 
The Opinion piece is from the Washington Post, or as Mark Levine calls it the Washington Compost, so I know that some commenters will denigrate the author, Jennifer Rubin, or simply deny the statistics that form the basis of the piece. Are the numbers little more than liberal propaganda? Just another attempt to justify increased socialism and taking away Americans'
rights?
The Red States lead the world in Darwin Awards. Don't know if that means anything, but..................?
 
Obviously no commenter has bothered to click on the links in the quoted words from Jennifer Rubin. Naturally, Chicago and San Francisco have been mentioned though for some reason, the murder rate for the entire state of Illinois is not part of the conversation. Perhaps because the murder rate for all of Illinois was 9.2 per 100,000 which put it in third place among states that voted for Sleepy Joe, while Tennessee was in the 10th spot for Trump states with a rate of 9.9/100K. Mississippi had the highest murder rate in the country with 20.5/100K population.

One statistic that certain people like to use when attacking those uber-librul cities and states is the total number of homicides, for some cities the total number and the number per capita are both scary, places like Jacksonville, FL
Among the 50 states, murder rates were often well above the national average in many Republican-controlled states and cities. Jacksonville with 176 homicides and a murder rate (19.776) more than three times that of New York City (5.94) has a Republican mayor. Tulsa (19.64) and Oklahoma City (11.16) have Republican mayors in a Republican state and have murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles (6.74). Lexington’s Republican mayor saw record homicides in 2020 and 2021, with a murder rate (10.61) nearly twice that of New York City. Bakersfield (11.91) and Fresno (14.09) each have Republican mayors and murder rates far higher than either San Francisco or Los Angeles.

Of course, some cities controlled by Democrats have alarming murder rates, like Chicago (28.49) and Houston (17.32). But we hear about these and other Democrat-run cities all the time. We aren’t getting the whole picture.

The increase in murders is not a liberal cities problem but a national problem. Murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states that haven’t even flirted with ideas like defund the police. Eight of the ten most lawless, high-murder states are not only Trump-voting states, but GOP bastions for the last quarter of a century. A more accurate conclusion from the data is that Republicans do a far better job blaming others for high murder rates than actually reducing high murder rates.
 
Not the numbers, but the conclusions drawn from them. From the article:



The political left views power at the state level to be bad, and centralized power at the federal level good. Someone on the right would see the opposite as being better. It depends on your opinion of government as an institution.



Higher taxes make the smoking population poorer. Motorcycle helmet laws hurt riders who do not want to wear a helmet. Both policies involve trade-offs, there isn't one right answer, it depends on your values.



That's right, but whether those consequences are good or bad depends on your values.



It's more that the political left thinks there are "correct" policies, when in fact there are only trade offs.
To be honest, just have the time to comment on the smoker part of your response (have thoughts on the others, just not the time to do it), here goes:

Smokers would be richer if they stopped smoking and save their money. Not only that, but would also save on health care costs as well. They know it is addictive, but they choose to do so anyway: it's their own choice that makes them poor, not the tax.

Ok, have the time to add on more thing dealing with the left thinking centralized government good and state government bad (and it plays into the smoking comment as well). Hamilton and Washington convinced Congress to tax whisky: Hamilton wanted folks to stop drinking and thought this was a good way and Washington needed to fund the government and thought this was a good way to pay off government debt. Even the Whiskey Rebellion failed to curb the tax until 1802 when Jefferson did away with it. So, how would you characterize the actions of these two founders? Liberal? Because according to your statement, this is how it would look....
 
Same as my post #22, but added the percent African population and Mayor party.


Detroit, MI 78.33% D
Memphis, TN 64.11% D
Birmingham, AL 69.85% D
Baltimore, MD 62.35% D
St. Louis, MO 46.41% D
Kansas City, MO 28.21% D
Cleveland, OH 48.83% D
Little Rock, AR 42.04% D
Milwaukee, WI 38.75% D
Stockton, CA 11.15% R
 
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