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Lies, Democracy & Obama

Rubio said that Obama could "basically legalize" illegal aliens if he wanted to. He did not say that Obama threatened it. You are either ignorant of the truth or lying.
Obama threatened to grant amnesty to the 20 million illegals before Rubio referenced it: Obama Threatens "Amnesty" by Executive Order if Congress Doesn't Pass Immigration Reform!! - YouTube.

That you feign semantical mistake over Rubio's meaning of "could" (mistaking ability for inclination) simply to level an ad hominem at someone who doesn't suffer from your wingish pre-conceived ideology is .. meaningless.
 
Obama threatened to grant amnesty to the 20 million illegals before Rubio referenced it: Obama Threatens "Amnesty" by Executive Order if Congress Doesn't Pass Immigration Reform!! - YouTube.

That you feign semantical mistake over Rubio's meaning of "could" (mistaking ability for inclination) simply to level an ad hominem at someone who doesn't suffer from your wingish pre-conceived ideology is .. meaningless.

Lol, you link to Alex Jones to prove your point? Sorry, i left my tin foil hat at home. lol.
 
One overzealous woman's rights advocate hurt your masculine sensibilities and you forever condemn yourself to the immoral wasteland of republicon conservatism?
Someone needs to grow a thicker skin. ( she didn't mean it ...it was a rhetorical device)

Be that were the case, that it were just the one, or even just a few. But those of us that have to deal with this egotistical witlessness on an ongoing basis know that is not the case...just one of innumerable instances, the rule, not the exception... and embarrassingly representative was the cowering by all the lily livered liberal boys, I cannot call them men, these supposed males probably ideologically similar in position to yours.

Your misunderstanding or lack of knowledge regarding the Republican party is showing. I can tell you have not the faintest clue regarding history and just take the "progressive" bait as truth, hook, line and sinker. Need to be schooled? Any pervasive immoral events or attitudes on the part of Republicans or Republican conservatives of which you would like me to educate, of which to disabuse you? Probably have not even the foggiest notion and cannot even think of one, much less it being what you describe as "...the immoral wasteland of republicon(sp) conservatism".

This ninny lady is typical of the extremely educated ignorance of much of higher education. These boorish knuckleheads think that just because they think it... that it must be automatically true. No necessity of facts, heck, those just get in the way of a good spin.
 
Hahaha oohhh you sou know deep down Obama is a socialist somewhere in that "heart" of his



Ohh so this is how the lunatic right thinks.
So let me ask you what socialist policies has Obama initiated?
Fabianist, huh?

Well, I do not think anybody has proven that Obama has a heart, so the deep down would be a stretch in any event.

Well, lets see, I think there is no doubt that he is a redistrubitionist, taking from those that earn and giving to those that do not. That whole socialist equality thing. Those were the bases upon which Obamacare was sold, that so many do not have or cannot afford [ and not added was do not want ] health care and so the rest of society must pay. Then the actuality of it, Obamacare being 17 percent of our entire economy. And he is on record as saying that he wants a single payer system.

The wage controls put in place on employees at the banks utilizing fed bailout monies… Obama’s decision, without congressional approval, to nationalize two of the country’s automobile companies. So it exerted control of the financial industry and basically took over the means of production in two of the Big Three. He forced changes in management that should more properly have been left to the company's private shareholders.

The man often evokes the spirit of FDR who definitely socialized this country as did LBJ. All the socialist memes are there in his constant approach, ie, “social justice,” “humane policies,” “fairness,” “equality”, etc… his penchant for more and increasingly more government centralization, the idea that the elites can figure the system out for the masses, the fact that he is addicting in myriad ways the masses and the elites to the government teat. He has involved it more and more into the mortgage industry, student loans, increases in government payments on Food Stamps, welfare, unemployment, social security…

That it could be said that he is a lousy socialist can be taken from your viewpoint and mine, being both distinctly different in interpretation. But a socialist nonetheless.
 
Right that era saw governmemt transfor but the pinical of this transformation was the creation of the ridistributive forces today the progressive income tax and social security came out of this era.
Yes.
And a republican idea under a republican administration.
All FDR did was run with it.
 
Democracy also cannot survive in the face of dictatorital threats by the President of the U.S. ..

.. And Now Rubio reports that Obama is threatening to make an executive order legalizing the 20 million illegals, despite Congress's refusal at this point to do so.

Obama is behaving like a dictator!

He should be impeached for abuse of power!
Bullshat.
The president is governing like the centrist that he is.
Tell me ...was Ronald Reagan a dictator worthy of impeachment as well?
A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
 
President Obama is, and governs as a centrist.

It makes me laugh when something that is so self-evident can be considered borderline controversial at what is supposedly a serious political messageboard.
 
President Obama is, and governs as a centrist.
This hyperbolic name calling is a demonstration of the radical extremes one faction of the republicon party has gone to.
When a centrist looks like a Marxist to them, how much further right can one possibly go?

I'm convinced MOST people in the USa are confused. The difference isn't right or left. liberal conservative, dem or repub.

the CRUCIAL difference is individualist or collectivist.

our founders and constitution were/are individualist. So am I.

the collectivists are changing our government to collectivism, what EVER brand of collectivism they espouse.

We need to return to individualism to survive. It made us great in the past.

collectivism is to blame for ALL social and political ills and problems.

Get back to basics. Return to the ideals that created this formerly great country!
 
Democracy also cannot survive in the face of dictatorital threats by the President of the U.S. ..

.. And Now Rubio reports that Obama is threatening to make an executive order legalizing the 20 million illegals, despite Congress's refusal at this point to do so.

Obama is behaving like a dictator!

He should be impeached for abuse of power!

Rubio and other's the support immigration reform (on the right) are just circulating that to get their village idiots in align for the package. "We better pass this thing because at least we get border security and a path...otherwise the scary dictator President is going to do it on his own!"
 
Bullshat.
Your projection is meaningless.


The president is governing like the centrist that he is.
False, obviously. :lol:

Obama isn't a centrist, not by any means!

Obama is a Multi-Cultural Internationalist, without question.

All MCIs are left-wing.

Thus Obama is a liberal, at the very least.


Tell me ...was Ronald Reagan a dictator worthy of impeachment as well?
A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants : NPR
Yes, arguably he was.

His corporate socialism agenda greatly harmed American workers and his amnesty of 2.6 million illegals was an egregious Benedict Arnold injustice to all American citizens.

Reagan's sins, however, do not excuse Obama's sins.

Obama's dictatatorial threats are egregious and he should be impeached for uttering that threat against American citizens and his unethical bait of the House.
 
Rubio and other's the support immigration reform (on the right) are just circulating that to get their village idiots in align for the package. "We better pass this thing because at least we get border security and a path...otherwise the scary dictator President is going to do it on his own!"
Obama previously threatened to evoke executive order to legalize 20 million illegals prior to Rubio's reference, as I linked to previously in this thread.
 
Obama previously threatened to evoke executive order to legalize 20 million illegals prior to Rubio's reference, as I linked to previously in this thread.

No he didn't...he actually used an executive order for individuals that would be given citizenship under the dream act but it was just a reprieve from deportation.

In fact the White has denied they are even looking at that option.

"
The only solution to this problem is for Congress to fix the broken immigration system by passing comprehensive reform," said White House spokesman Bobby Whithorne.

President Obama expressed a similar sentiment in January to Telemundo's Jose Diaz-Balart:

I'm not a king. You know, my job as the head of the executive branch ultimately is to carry out the law. And, you know, when it comes to enforcement of our immigration laws, we've got some discretion. We can prioritize what we do. But we can't simply ignore the law. [NBC Latino]

There's also the fact that a short reprieve from deportation is a completely different matter than legalizing a whole group of people in direct opposition to the laws on the books.
 
As I previously wrote, I accidentally accessed your profile and was astonished to see that your ideology matches that of Van Jones and undoubtedly that of Anita Dunn and your idol Barack Obama II.

I didnt know Barack Obama II (whoever the **** that is) is a socialist.. .
But see if you accidently did it why bring it up in this thread when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand?



I'm sure you carry your little Red Book of Mao Zedong too.
No i dont carry it. Ive read it and own it but dont carry it.

But hey, that's what makes the world go round. You have your Marxist ideals and wish to impose them on others.
Im not much of a Marxist.. So no.

Isn't American Freedom great?
Yup

I'm sure that you would be comfortable living in the Peoples Republic of China,
Nope

or in Communist Russia. I write this not to criticize you or degrade you, only to identify you.
Russia isnt communist.
Also no. I like America.

As far as the subject the at hand, I'm sure that it raised your hackles if only in identifying the truth.
What truth? You havent spoken about anything at the topic at hand only wanna focus on someone named Barack Obama II and Van Jones and telling that i might wanna live in the PRC and Russia
 
No, you are a an example of Marxist infiltration and lies taught in our educational system.

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What school did you or do you go to! I would love that school!
 
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What school did you or do you go to! I would love that school!

Fordham University class of 59. I don't think you would have liked it there, you know a Catholic University and all.
 
Fabianist, huh?
Am i? Yes i think i would indentify myself with more of a fabian pov.


Well, I do not think anybody has proven that Obama has a heart, so the deep down would be a stretch in any event.
I think he is a robot.
Or one of those lizard people.

Well, lets see, I think there is no doubt that he is a redistrubitionist, taking from those that earn and giving to those that do not.
All modern presidents have done that. Even republicans. No matter what in a civilized society where people are taxed this will also happen.

That whole socialist equality thing. Those were the bases upon which Obamacare was sold,
Uhh no. It was sold as a private sector idea came up by a conservative think tank in the 90s...
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that so many do not have or cannot afford [ and not added was do not want ] health care and so the rest of society must pay.
Uhhh its simply regulating the market so more people can get coverage. This isnt socialism. Its still privately ran.

Then the actuality of it, Obamacare being 17 percent of our entire economy.

And he is on record as saying that he wants a single payer system.
Yea but his stance has changed a lot..
PolitiFact | Obama statements on single-payer have changed a bit
He is now in favor of what we currently have...


The wage controls put in place on employees at the banks utilizing fed bailout monies…
We have always have this and the fed bailout and banks was under Bush...
no one was screaming "Bush is a socialist"!

Obama’s decision, without congressional approval, to nationalize two of the country’s automobile companies.
Uhhh they got congressional approval for this
House passes $14 billion auto bailout package - CNN.com
And part of this was also done under Bush
Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout - David Rogers and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

So it exerted control of the financial industry and basically took over the means of production in two of the Big Three. He forced changes in management that should more properly have been left to the company's private shareholders.
No the federal gov did not take any means of production of the Big 3 they provided them with money and loans and kept the means of production still in private hands.


The man often evokes the spirit of FDR
Ehh no not at all really.

who definitely socialized this country as did LBJ.
Naa FDR was a social democrat..

All the socialist memes are there in his constant approach, ie, “social justice,” “humane policies,” “fairness,” “equality”, etc… his penchant for more and increasingly more government centralization, the idea that the elites can figure the system out for the masses, the fact that he is addicting in myriad ways the masses and the elites to the government teat.
And how is that at all socialism? Thats just more statism..

He has involved it more and more into the mortgage industry, student loans, increases in government payments on Food Stamps, welfare, unemployment, social security…
How is this socialism?
Its called social support which all presidents have been involved in Republican and Demcorat.


That it could be said that he is a lousy socialist can be taken from your viewpoint and mine, being both distinctly different in interpretation. But a socialist nonetheless.
Or you can just realize what socialism is and see he is not a socialist.
 
Fordham University class of 59. I don't think you would have liked it there, you know a Catholic University and all.

What you have one Marxist professor and did that make you believe that our education system is ran by Marxists?
And i probably wouldnt of at all. I think you need to go back to school and maybe listen to those "Marxsits" who run the school, and maybe you can actually learn what the Marxist spehere is.
 
I know far too much about the republican party's history to be schooled by the likes of you.
Ill bet you think Nixon was an OK guy...right?
Proof Finally Emerges That Richard Nixon Was Not Just a Crook, But a Traitor

Here's is what I think of Nixon before I even read what your link says. Smart guy, did some good things, but he did wrong by the American system and the American people. I thought, while I understood Ford's decision in not wanting to continue to be mired in Watergate and everything stuck to it, that Nixon should have been thoroughly investigated, put on trial and let the system do what it needed to do. A message needed sent that you, even if you are president, cannot just do whatever you want to do. That is not why we fought a Revolutionary War. I do not abide by crooks or people getting away with things and representing me at the same time.

And I can tell from your closed minded response that you have no idea and do not want to know real history. You just want to continue in your comfortable myths. There is no use for a sincere person to continue a conversation with someone that does not want to know.... so good luck with all that.
 
I've always been a Nixon fan. One of the most savvy international relations president we've had. Bush I was pretty money at that, too.
 
I've always been a Nixon fan. One of the most savvy international relations president we've had. Bush I was pretty money at that, too.

I would pretty much agree, Nixon seemed to know his way around the world. Very much enjoyed his live exchanges with Khrushchev. Thought the way he and Kissinger realized, then exploited, the rift between China and the Soviet Union bordered on genius, in theory, policy and performance.
 
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