Lie Detectors

[Pull My Finger]

Does refusing a Lie Detector Test make someone look guilty?

 

[RightOfCenter]

Does refusing a Lie Detector Test make someone look guilty?

Not any more than pleading the Fifth does.

 

[Voidwar]

Not any more than pleading the Fifth does.

I hear an entire Family and Richard Dawson from the set of the Feud, all saying "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!"

 

[RightOfCenter]

I hear an entire Family and Richard Dawson from the set of the Feud, all saying "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!" "Good Answer!"

Is it the number one answer?

 

[rathi]

Lie Detector's measure how nervous someone is, not if they are lying or not. . For example, lets suppose my hypothetical wife it murdered. I then am asked to answer questions about how I found her body and what I did immediately afterwards under polygraph. Remembering such painful events would likely illicit some kind of emotional response from me when answering the question, even I was telling the truth. That would cause false positives in the system.

Polygraphs are so unreliable that they I would hardly blame someone for avoiding them.

 

[Voidwar]

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[Pull My Finger]

Polygraphs are so unreliable that they I would hardly blame someone for avoiding them.

Would you think they look guilty anyways?

Peace

 

[disneydude]

Yes. The same as taking the fifth and the same as refusing to testify under oath, off record with no transcript....all actions of people with something to hide.

 

[Travelsonic]

Hmmm.... is it really possible for somebody to have nothing to hide, nothing to keep private in the first place? Without losing a private life, or being a boring person?

 

[Gardener]

Not the lie detectors again?!


Every time Frau Dagmar hooks me up to one of those things and asks me if I've been naughty............

 

[conserv.pat15]

Lie Detector's measure how nervous someone is, not if they are lying or not. . For example, lets suppose my hypothetical wife it murdered. I then am asked to answer questions about how I found her body and what I did immediately afterwards under polygraph. Remembering such painful events would likely illicit some kind of emotional response from me when answering the question, even I was telling the truth. That would cause false positives in the system.

Polygraphs are so unreliable that they I would hardly blame someone for avoiding them.

I believe there are ways for the people administering the lie detector test to tell whether the person is just nervous.

 

[Adrian]

I believe there are ways for the people administering the lie detector test to tell whether the person is just nervous.

I'll bet you're right. While there are undoubtedly people who have managed to beat them, the people who administer those tests don't do so for a few extra bucks on the side. Those are their jobs. On kind of a similar note, I got into a conversation with a cop in an airport once, and somehow we got to talking about dui tests. She rolled her eyes and made fun of all the ways that people think they can get around them. "You'd be amazed at the things people believe will let them beat the test, but we have at least a dozen ways to find out if they've been drinking. However legal they may be, we can always tell. Always."

 

[rathi]

I believe there are ways for the people administering the lie detector test to tell whether the person is just nervous.

They can try and screen out some obvious nervousness, but not with a reasonable degree of accuracy. There is a reason they are not allowed in court.

I'll bet you're right. While there are undoubtedly people who have managed to beat them, the people who administer those tests don't do so for a few extra bucks on the side. Those are their jobs. On kind of a similar note, I got into a conversation with a cop in an airport once, and somehow we got to talking about dui tests. She rolled her eyes and made fun of all the ways that people think they can get around them. "You'd be amazed at the things people believe will let them beat the test, but we have at least a dozen ways to find out if they've been drinking. However legal they may be, we can always tell. Always."

Determining a DUI is not that difficult. Testing for ethanol is relatively easy. Lie detectors have to try a measure a completely intangible behavior. While research have found some physical symptoms that correlate with lying, nothing that solid has been found. The predictive power of Breathalyzer is far more than a lie detector.

 

[Adrian]

Determining a DUI is not that difficult. Testing for ethanol is relatively easy. Lie detectors have to try a measure a completely intangible behavior. While research have found some physical symptoms that correlate with lying, nothing that solid has been found. The predictive power of Breathalyzer is far more than a lie detector.

I was referring to all the tests before the breathalyzer. You know, "Sir, please stand on your head and say the alphabet backwards in Aramaic." That sort of thing.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I was referring to all the tests before the breathalyzer. You know, "Sir, please stand on your head and say the alphabet backwards in Aramaic." That sort of thing.

That's a very common misconception, it's actually sanskrit that they say it in.

 

[rathi]

You know, "Sir, please stand on your head and say the alphabet backwards in Aramaic." That sort of thing.

True, but its fairly easy to test the effects of ethanol upon the human body. We have thousands of years of practical knowledge combined with lost of good scientific data. In addition, simple tests of coordination officers administer are not that good. Its certainly possible to have above a .08 and still pass such tests. However, if you can pass such tests your driving isn't that impaired, so officers don't really have to worry so much.

 

[Navy Pride]

No, in fact refusing to take one might make you look guilty...

 

[disneydude]

No, in fact refusing to take one might make you look guilty...

True true my neo-con friend:

Do you also agree that one also looks guilty when they refuse to testify under oath, without a transcript or record or other accountability?

 

[Navy Pride]

True true my neo-con friend:

Do you also agree that one also looks guilty when they refuse to testify under oath, without a transcript or record or other accountability?

Please don't agree with me my left wing friend.thanks

No, not.........That is a presidents option.......You lefties have been trying to gey Rove since day one but you have never laid a glove on him............

 

[Patrickt]

I've taken two employment polygraphs. The first did not detect lies I'd told and the second allegedly indicated on things on which I was being absolutely truthful. I would never take a polygraph on a serious matter.

 

[Pull My Finger]

Please don't agree with me my left wing friend.thanks

No, not.........That is a presidents option.......You lefties have been trying to gey Rove since day one but you have never laid a glove on him............

I could strain my pasta through your logic, NP.

Here's a hypothetical question that should you make you short circuit...

What if Bush refused a polygraph?

Peace

 

[Navy Pride]

I've taken two employment polygraphs. The first did not detect lies I'd told and the second allegedly indicated on things on which I was being absolutely truthful. I would never take a polygraph on a serious matter.

It really needs to be done by a person well trained and versed on the procedure.....That is why they won't hold up in court.........

 

[Navy Pride]

I could strain my pasta through your logic, NP.

Here's a hypothetical question that should you make you short circuit...

What if Bush refused a polygraph?

Peace

I don't think President Bush has to worry about that.........Unlike your hero Slick Willie he does not get caught lying on national TV and under oath..........:rofl

 

[Pull My Finger]

I don't think President Bush has to worry about that.........Unlike your hero Slick Willie he does not get caught lying on national TV and under oath..........:rofl

If Slick Willie is Clinton - sorry not a Clinton fan.
(must.... ... pigeonhole... .... Dems/Libs... ...) :boom

You dodged the question - AGAIN!

Computer - $1,000
Internet connection - $20
The ability to anonymously dodge uncomfortable questions - Priceless

Peace

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

True true my neo-con friend:

Do you also agree that one also looks guilty when they refuse to testify under oath, without a transcript or record or other accountability?

Guilty of what? I wasn't aware that it was illegal for the President to fire any attorney, at any time, and for any reason. And for the record the President isn't accountable to the Congress in this instance.