Libya town clings to memory of Kadhafi ( killed 10/20/2011

[Juin]

So what do you suggest?

Another dictator?

Libya, Syria, Iraq are probably better off with dictators. Democracy is still the preferable form of govt. And Libyans, Syrians, Iraqis will agree that democracy is what they want. But security and stability is the first, and probably the most important service a government must provide. Free speech is probably pointless in an atmosphere of violence and lawlessness. A dictatorship is preferrable to anarchy and violence. Dictatorship is bad, but anarchy is worse. So when I say dictatorship is preferrable for say Syria, I mean Syrians as a matter of fact have a choice between bad and badder. They can have the bad Assad, or the badder ISIS and myriads of terrorists and ruffians

 

[Juin]

Great "argument" there, annata. Keep cheerleading an evil dictator if you must, but at the very least do not complain about "poo-flinging" elsewhere if you're going to throw actual personal insults around.

Gaddafi was evil. Evil should not be defended. It's that simple.

Anarchy and wanton daily violence is also evil. Gaddafi was one evil, the resulting anarchy, wars, daily violence has replaced one evil with thousands of smaller evils.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

He violently opposed the Arab Spring uprising and his military committed atrocities in the pursuit of the rebels.

And he got spanked for it.

Why cry for someone who funded terrorism?

The World Champs at "funding terrorism" are the USA friend.
And their dependent: Israel.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Gaddafi was evil. Evil should not be defended.

What did he do...like murder a million Iraqis or something like that?

 

[anatta]

Libya, Syria, Iraq are probably better off with dictators. Democracy is still the preferable form of govt. And Libyans, Syrians, Iraqis will agree that democracy is what they want. But security and stability is the first, and probably the most important service a government must provide. Free speech is probably pointless in an atmosphere of violence and lawlessness. A dictatorship is preferrable to anarchy and violence. Dictatorship is bad, but anarchy is worse. So when I say dictatorship is preferrable for say Syria, I mean Syrians as a matter of fact have a choice between bad and badder. They can have the bad Assad, or the badder ISIS and myriads of terrorists and ruffians

Libya keeps trying to elect a president. they did - but because there is divided government he was powerless outside Tripolitania .
The next round is supposed to be a unified government , and rumor is Gen. Haftar is going to run
Haftar is former CIA but now leads the Bengazi based government that made advances ( Libyan National Army) to the outskirts of Tripoli
until Erdogan sent Syrian jihadii to fight for the GNA ( Trip[oli based). Turkey also turned Libya into the most high tech battlfield ever.

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[anatta]

Anarchy and wanton daily violence is also evil. Gaddafi was one evil, the resulting anarchy, wars, daily violence has replaced one evil with thousands of smaller evils.

nicely stated. However Gaddafi was due an award from the UN and was in good standing
But that's the point - whatever the personal Qaddafi characteristics; indeed whatever the evil monster he was before the Reagan bombing.
He was legit head of state, putting down an insurrection and did not foster rape in war ( far too common in Africa) and did not bomb civilians at Bengazi demonstrations

But Hillary didnt care and Rice was her mouthpiece. Her Emails show she was the driving persona declaring Qaddafi a 'military target'
Of course Hillary blamed da' Russians for hacking her Email

 

[anatta]

There were lots of reasons for the U.S. to not intervene. Then-Libyan leader Gaddafi had abandoned his nuclear program and, in 2003, turned over the name of Pakistani physicist AQ Khan, whose nuclear-proliferation network had helped North Korea develop its program. And Gaddafi was keeping close tabs on Libyan nationals released from Guantanamo Bay. Gaddafi had been contained, critics of the intervention argued.

To secure the legal means to attack Libya, the U.S. pushed for a United Nations vote that authorized a no-fly zone to stop Gaddafi from killing civilians in Benghazi, where tanks had lined up outside the city in what appeared to be an approaching violent attack on Gaddafi opponents. But the humanitarian campaign to save the lives of Libyans turned into into a push to rid Libya of Gaddafi. U.S. aircraft, which began in May 2011 by bombing sites around Benghazi, slowly moved hundreds of miles west to Tripoli, targeting Gaddafi’s regime and contributing to his October 2011 demise.
In another talking point, the Clinton communications team directed supporters to divert responsibility for the violence away from Clinton.

WikiLeaks Reveals Team Hillary’s Libya Spin: It Would Be Syria Without Clinton’s War

New emails from John Podesta show talking points circulated during her marathon Benghazi testimony to defend the war and blame the victims for not embracing the U.S. more.

www.thedailybeast.com

Libya and Syria are in fact two very different countries. Where Syria is a myriad of ethnicities and sects of Islam, Libya in 2011 was far more monolithic. Libya’s roughly 6 million people were nearly all Sunni Muslims, followers of a certain school of Islam called Maliki. Libya was divided by tribes and three regions that formed the artificially created state.