Liberals Trash 'American Sniper'...anyone surprised?

[Captain America]

Michael Moore is a blob creature. He certainly is no white Progressive. They're very serious about their health.

Looks like Chris Christie's baby brother, no? LOL!

 

[Dayton3]

Well judging by his interview with Bill O'Reilly Chris Kyle had a very simple view of the war. His job was to kill enemy troops and in doing so save as many Americans and allied troops as he could. He specifically makes mention of Iraqis allied with the U.S.

He suffered lots of depression and sadness in the aftermath but it was totally about people he "failed to save" and not the people he actually killed which I think bothers more than a few people. His last two tours were mainly motivated about not wanting to be responsible for troops he had served with dying because of his absence?

 

[blaxshep]

I have read the book but not seen the movie. My understanding is the movie makes him seem a lot more sympathetic than he really was. based on the book about his career in his own words he was NOT a good man. A good sniper, yes, but not a good man. He enjoyed killing. That isn't something to be commended.

When he is killing the enemy the less sympathy and the more he enjoys it the better.

 

[Papa bull]

When he is killing the enemy the less sympathy and the more he enjoys it the better.

There is pride to be taken in a job well done. If your job is to eliminate bad guys with guns, you target them with extreme precision and take them out with extreme prejudice.

The enemy stopped being sympathetic when they decided to take up arms against you. Once they do that, you stop seeing them as human beings and start seeing them as targets that need to be destroyed.

 

[whysoserious]

What liberals? You mean Michael Moore?

I disagree with Seth Rogens comparison, but he wasn't trashing the movie, FYI.

 

[Paschendale]

I've not seen it, could you tell me what you think the movie did have to do with?

I didn't see it either. I heard it was kind of dull. But what I do know is that far too many people in this country equate militarism with patriotism. That's why the OP thinks the movie is patriotic. And that's a dangerous road to walk.

 

[Grand Mal]

What liberals? You mean Michael Moore?

I disagree with Seth Rogens comparison, but he wasn't trashing the movie, FYI.

And, since Seth Rogen isn't American it's a bit of a reach, saying his opinion of the movie shows a lack of patriotism.

 

[Papa bull]

Comedians should get a pass on their political drivel. Anyone who takes political comments by comedians seriously must not understand the nature of their profession.

 

[celticwar17]

I didn't see it either. I heard it was kind of dull. But what I do know is that far too many people in this country equate militarism with patriotism. That's why the OP thinks the movie is patriotic. And that's a dangerous road to walk.

I think it's a lot more complicated than that for which people think it's patriotic.... your opinion seems dishonest and simplistic.

The fact is, we are and were in active war where real Americans were dying and there were real people who were worthy of being an enemy. Regardless of someone's views of the reasons and strategies of the war that is still a fact...and still a reason to be behind with patriotism.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

"cowardice" Mr. Moore is having your fat ass protected by 9 armed bodyguards while calling for the disarming of law abiding citizens.

 

[Paschendale]

I think it's a lot more complicated than that for which people think it's patriotic.... your opinion seems dishonest and simplistic.

The fact is, we are and were in active war where real Americans were dying and there were real people who were worthy of being an enemy. Regardless of someone's views of the reasons and strategies of the war that is still a fact...and still a reason to be behind with patriotism.

And yet the recurring narrative in our society is that killing our enemies is patriotic while trying to find a way to make peace with them is not. Fighting isn't patriotism. Making your country and your culture and your society better is patriotism. That is anything but simple, and I don't know how you would even know if I'm honest or not in this medium.

 

[AJiveMan]

Michael Moore’s sniping | New York Post

The Revolutionary War is a good example. We(the Americans) would have snipers in the trees who would pick of British officers then run away. It was a major reason America won the war. How could the liberal darling Michael Moore say such things.

Americans voted on this debate with their pocketbooks. Patriotic Americans won that debate. The American Sniper was and is a huge success!

Hey, your title says liberals, is Michael Moore taking up more than one space now? I didn't know he was as large.

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[celticwar17]

And yet the recurring narrative in our society is that killing our enemies is patriotic while trying to find a way to make peace with them is not. Fighting isn't patriotism. Making your country and your culture and your society better is patriotism. That is anything but simple, and I don't know how you would even know if I'm honest or not in this medium.

Willing to put your life on the line while you and I eat cheese Danish's at a café debating politics on an online forum... that's patriotism. Doing the job most are cowards to do. Manning up and taking the responsibility on your own hands while everyone else doesn't do anything.... that's patriotism. The soldiers don't hold the sin for what our leaders command them to do. The cowards sitting at home do.

You may want to make peace, but the people closest to the situation believe that is impossible to do so reasonably. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the soldiers and it also has nothing to do with the fact that there are people worth being an enemy.

 

[Unrepresented]

Willing to put your life on the line while you and I eat cheese Danish's at a café debating politics on an online forum... that's patriotism. Doing the job most are cowards to do. Manning up and taking the responsibility on your own hands while everyone else doesn't do anything.... that's patriotism. The soldiers don't hold the sin for what our leaders command them to do. The cowards sitting at home do.

You may want to make peace, but the people closest to the situation believe that is impossible to do so reasonably. Regardless, that has nothing to do with the soldiers and it also has nothing to do with the fact that there are people worth being an enemy.

"Why do you hate our troops?"

 

[paddymcdougall]

And yet the recurring narrative in our society is that killing our enemies is patriotic while trying to find a way to make peace with them is not. Fighting isn't patriotism. Making your country and your culture and your society better is patriotism. That is anything but simple, and I don't know how you would even know if I'm honest or not in this medium.

Well said. makes sense.

 

[blaxshep]

And yet the recurring narrative in our society is that killing our enemies is patriotic while trying to find a way to make peace with them is not. Fighting isn't patriotism. Making your country and your culture and your society better is patriotism. That is anything but simple, and I don't know how you would even know if I'm honest or not in this medium.

You think we can make peace with Radical Islam?

 

[celticwar17]

"Why do you hate our troops?"

That's what the movie was about more than anything, the troops. Not the politics.

 

[MrsMartinBlank]

I completely reject the general McCarthyism principle that started this thread, so I won't dignify it with a response. I would encourage the original poster to not buy into the new trend in our country of mistaking propaganda machines as legitimate journalism.
All of that aside, I do think Chris Kyle's memoir (and now movie) along with others like, No Easy Day, raise interesting questions about first hand accounts from soldiers in the field. It seems that in previous military actions, field accounts were often based on diaries or related from a war journalist. Clearly, these types of accounts, have either been more thoroughly vetted for accuracy and truthfulness by the journalist and witnesses or are at least backed up by real time accounts in the diary. These accounts written with the help of ghost writers and largely driven by publishing houses, are written far after the actual events, and naturally driven to some sensationalism. I worry that this approach in the long run may diminish the credibility of our special forces and reduce them to some sort of hero caricature who seeks fame and publicity. I have read CPO Kyle's book and I consider him a real hero - I just wonder how these types of accounts will change our perception of those who wear the uniform.

 

[Unrepresented]

That's what the movie was about more than anything, the troops. Not the politics.

Haven't seen the film, but consider that implication to be one of the more offensive invocations of patriotism.

 

[celticwar17]

Haven't seen the film, but consider that implication to be one of the more offensive invocations of patriotism.

This thread is about the film. Do you not think patriotism applies to our military at all?
I understand it's tough... but sometimes it's best to put your political bias aside and pay attention and sympathy to stories like Chris kyle's.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

When he is killing the enemy the less sympathy and the more he enjoys it the better.

That is helpful in being a great sniper or killer in general. But it is antithetical to being a good person.

 

[Unrepresented]

This thread is about the film. Do you not think patriotism applies to our military at all?
I understand it's tough... but sometimes it's best to put your political bias aside and pay attention and sympathy to stories like Chris kyle's.

Patriotism isn't monolithic. It isn't something that you, I, or elected officials get to define for anyone else.

 

[celticwar17]

Patriotism isn't monolithic. It isn't something that you, I, or elected officials get to define for anyone else.

I agree with that.... but I still think the movie was quite patriotic

 

[blaxshep]

That is helpful in being a great sniper or killer in general. But it is antithetical to being a good person.

I disagree, "good" is subjective.

 

[Unrepresented]

I agree with that.... but I still think the movie was quite patriotic

I think that healthy cynicism is patriotic. We all have our own interpretations of what it means to be a patriot.