Liberals reject Obama's case for Syria strikes; believe Obama and Kerry are lying

[Montecresto]

President Obama’s liberal activist base is adamantly opposed to military strikes in Syria, according to a new survey the Progressive Change Campaign Committee released Wednesday.

PCCC says more than 57,000 of its activists weighed in, and 73 percent of them opposed the U.S. taking action in Syria. Just 18 percent supported strikes, and just 14 percent said the U.S. should go ahead unilaterally if it can’t find any allies.

Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action.

Four out of five activists also said they believe U.S. action will lead to deeper involvement in the civil war.

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[ttwtt78640]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

The really sacry thing would be basing U.S. policy on what that (or any other) tiny minority in the nation thinks.

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

The really sacry thing would be basing U.S. policy on what that (or any other) tiny minority in the nation thinks.

Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.

 

[Mustachio]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.

That's a good thing, isn't it? The whole idea of democracy is that our leaders should, hypothetically, represent the interest of the voters. It is better to see a President losing support than to see voters going along for the ride because they supported Obama in his reelection campaign. I'm proud of the Democratic base, they didn't think war with Iraq was justified and they don't think war with Syria is justified, either. I believe that there can be action taken against Syria that doesn't make the United States responsible for their security. Within those bounds, I'd be happy to support action against that awful government.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

how many - from whatever lean - actually thinking getting involved in syria is a good idea?

we learned from vietnam ... at least until iraq

now maybe from iraq and afghanistan our citizens have learned again to mind our own damn business

 

[CanadaJohn]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

The really sacry thing would be basing U.S. policy on what that (or any other) tiny minority in the nation thinks.

Latest poll I saw of the American public on the issue of Syria was that 56% opposed Obama's proposal and 19% approved with the other 25% undecided.

Sometimes the American people, as a whole, are smarter and more perceptive, less invested in political games, and should be listened to. It might have saved your country from Obamacare in its current form, had politicians listened.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.

Obama's "base" is considerably larger than this tiny subset of left wing loons.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Latest poll I saw of the American public on the issue of Syria was that 56% opposed Obama's proposal and 19% approved with the other 25% undecided.

Sometimes the American people, as a whole, are smarter and more perceptive, less invested in political games, and should be listened to. It might have saved your country from Obamacare in its current form, had politicians listened.

Yet, as with PPACA it is not up to the people directly. Congress critters know who supplies them their needed massive amounts of campaign cash and exactly what is expected in return for it. 92% of congress critters and the POTUS were re-elected in 2012 - that is all that really matters in DC.

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.

Just to be clear, both sides are having problems with their base, so if you are using that as an indication of trouble both sides are in deep ****.

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

That's a good thing, isn't it? The whole idea of democracy is that our leaders should, hypothetically, represent the interest of the voters. It is better to see a President losing support than to see voters going along for the ride because they supported Obama in his reelection campaign. I'm proud of the Democratic base, they didn't think war with Iraq was justified and they don't think war with Syria is justified, either. I believe that there can be action taken against Syria that doesn't make the United States responsible for their security. Within those bounds, I'd be happy to support action against that awful government.

Yes I agree its a good thing.

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Obama's "base" is considerably larger than this tiny subset of left wing loons.

Well sure, of course I know that.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Well sure, of course I know that.

Obama's base is neither going to switch to voting for republicants nor are they going to stop supporting demorats.

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Obama's base is neither going to switch to voting for republicants nor are they going to stop supporting demorats.

And I do know that too!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

And I do know that too!

OK, so what is the point of this thread? Are you somehow shocked that Obama could not care less about pleasing fringe elements that are in the bag for demorats no matter what?

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

The point is that Syria is both dividing and bringing together the strangest of bedfellows. And while I'm well aware that harden leftists aren't going to defect to the GOP or something else, I enjoy seeing this.

 

[head of joaquin]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Progressives are usually wary of military intervention and presidential war power, so this is nothing new.

What is new is that conservatives -- because of the pathology of Obamaphobia -- are all over the map on the Syrian issue. The conservative tendency is to push for war and demagogue a military issue to claim that Democratic presidents are weak unless they blow something up. But since Obama seems intent on blowing something up, conservatives had to put on the brakes and attack Obama for wanting to blow something up, pretending that they -- the party of Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld -- is reluctant to strike an Arab country.

So the really funny thing here is the total incoherency of the conservative message and how these freaks are tying themselves into knots trying to pretend they are acting on principle. This is what happens when your philosophy is defined by vapid memes instead of thoughtful principles.

 

[aberrant85]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

At the very least this demonstrates why Obama is not the most liberal president in American history like some on the right are constantly saying. If he was, why would so many liberals be fed up?

 

[head of joaquin]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

At the very least this demonstrates why Obama is not the most liberal president in American history like some on the right are constantly saying. If he was, why would so many liberals be fed up?

Don't confuse the tea partiers with the facts. They have their meme and they're sticking with it.

 

[ItAin'tFree]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Progressives are usually wary of military intervention and presidential war power, so this is nothing new.

What is new is that conservatives -- because of the pathology of Obamaphobia -- are all over the map on the Syrian issue. The conservative tendency is to push for war and demagogue a military issue to claim that Democratic presidents are weak unless they blow something up. But since Obama seems intent on blowing something up, conservatives had to put on the brakes and attack Obama for wanting to blow something up, pretending that they -- the party of Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld -- is reluctant to strike an Arab country.

So the really funny thing here is the total incoherency of the conservative message and how these freaks are tying themselves into knots trying to pretend they are acting on principle. This is what happens when your philosophy is defined by vapid memes instead of thoughtful principles.

The last President to hold office that did not have a member of the military killed in action during his term (actually two) was....not a progressive....not a Democrat..he was GOP. Ike.

I know, that fact doesn't fit your theme but then facts usually don't. Carry on with your story, we all know you will tell it exactly how you want.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

The last President to hold office that did not have a member of the military killed in action during his term (actually two) was....not a progressive....not a Democrat..he was GOP. Ike.

I know, that fact doesn't fit your theme but then facts usually don't. Carry on with your story, we all know you will tell it exactly how you want.

It usually starts with, "Once upon a time..."

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

Obomba will give some feel-good speech about needing to save the women and children, and all his lemming will fall in line.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

how many - from whatever lean - actually thinking getting involved in syria is a good idea?

we learned from vietnam ... at least until iraq

now maybe from iraq and afghanistan our citizens have learned again to mind our own damn business

You damn right winger...always trying to CB Obama. Its his race, isnt it?