Bigbird said:
**** durbin was slammed because people took his words out of context. Conservatives jumped on that to say he was being un patriotic.
See if you actually LISTEN to the point he is trying to make rather then just oppose his view because you can see the little D next to his name when it shows up on the screen you might learn something
I heard the whole thing, and I listened to it as well as the tone of his voice, very condesending, arrogant, et. al. Durbin's statements were nothing more than attacks against the opposition, he did not qualify his statements, and offended a whole lot of good people in the process, not to mention that aside from the irresponsible nature of what he said, I am also offended intellectually at the way he went about it, the man should be censured.
**** Durbins point was that if you read the reports coming in from Guitonomo bay (hatchet job on spelling) and dis regarded that fact that it came as an internal document. You might mistake them for reports coming fro mnazi death camps or Russian ghoulags.
No one died at Guantanamo, also, most of the things we did are miniscule in comparison to any other form of torture ever used in war, and in fact, you are fooling yourself if you think these things never occur, all Durbin is doing is stirring up #$%^.
I AM so sick and tired of this being a EGO game for you people. Each side has to listen to each other. That doesn't mean we have to AGREE , but it does mean we should take peoples points as they are meant to be. Not twist someones words for our OWN selfish purpouses.
No, the other side doesn't have to agree, but to make a press conference statement like that is reprehensible, this has been the M.O. of the Democrats since 2000, So exactly who do you think is playing games here?
This is not a company picnic where we have a tug of war against the other side of the office and there is a winner declared. The country may be split on some of the issues but the goal should be to sort those things out. NOT win the match.
So why is it that the minority is doing everything they can to gum up the process? I know how serious politics are and that is exactly why people like Durbin must be held accountable.
You guys are like m essy divorce attorneys trying to get Every penny for your side and keeping your eyes on what YOU want to gain out of this. Rather then looking at the details like kids being involved and a family being torn apart.
I have nothing to gain or lose from Gitmo, neither do any Republicans, the problem is that you have a party who is trying to manipulate the public with something that could be turned into a black eye for the opposition and since they have nothing else to stand on, they use dirty tactics such as libel, slander, conspiracies, pandering, and emotional rhetoric, they play games with those who are looking for real solutions.
conservatives only seem to want their own selfish ENDS. I would be Happy If one conservative came on here to better understand the other side so that we may take the next step foreward but this is nothing more then an EGO tennis match for many conservatives and liberals And in the end the only people who lose out are the american people and future generations as we focus more on our differences then the things we want to accomplish.
Now wait a minute, in the 60 years that the liberal wing of America has gained power, did they once ask a conservative how they felt about the ever growing federalization of this country, no, they shoved social change that displaced many American values down everyone's throats, forced people to comply using the rule of law, and did whatever they felt like doing. Short story long, why should conservatives then expend the time and energy to understand a point of view that did all of this to them? We are the majority, the minority is seeking to force us to do their will, and yet we are being selfish? We are not the ones whining about elections, we are not the ones trying to hold up the process, and we also are not the ones claiming a power we no longer have. Selfish? Hardly.