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Libby Juror: Pardon Him

I'd be okay with a pardon as well. So what?
 
All he did was lie regarding a matter of national security, so what?
 
DeeJayH said:
MSNBC host Chris Matthews spoke with Libby juror Ann Redington on HARDBALL. Juror [#10] says she would support a Bush pardon for Libby
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Okay, I'll ask the obvious: why does it make sense that a juror who found somebody guilty say he should be pardoned?
 
Adrian said:
Okay, I'll ask the obvious: why does it make sense that a juror who found somebody guilty say he should be pardoned?
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I thought the same thing. Why the hell did she vote to convict him then?
 
Adrian said:
Okay, I'll ask the obvious: why does it make sense that a juror who found somebody guilty say he should be pardoned?
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Just Me 2 said:
I thought the same thing. Why the hell did she vote to convict him then?
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So someone should only vote to find someone guilty if they want to see them go to jail? That doesn't make sense. Libby was guilty. She feels sorry for him and doesn't want him to go to jail. My husband sat in the courtroom on one of the days of the trial, and he said it depressed him to see Libby's children show up and the thought of what they must be going through while their dad stands trial. Like me, my husband thinks he is guilty as sin. Like me, he would be okay if Bush pardoned him. Just because he's guilty doesn't mean he has to go to jail. When someone is pardoned, they are pardoned from the CRIME they committed--not pardoned from a non-crime. LOTS of people commit crimes and don't spend a day in jail. It doesn't mean they are not guilty of the crime.
 
Morrow said:
All he did was lie regarding a matter of national security, so what?
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Sorry, but no he didn't. No national security issues were involved.

IF he lied, and that is a big if considering none of us remember every detail of every conversation we had a few years back...but IF he lied, he lied about something that was not even illegal. It would be akin to having the FBI knock on your door looking for illegal aliens, and asking if you were chewing gum when the illegals ran past your window...you were, but said you weren't, so you get charged with lying to the FBI during an investigation.

BubbaBob
 
aps said:
So someone should only vote to find someone guilty if they want to see them go to jail? That doesn't make sense. Libby was guilty. She feels sorry for him and doesn't want him to go to jail. My husband sat in the courtroom on one of the days of the trial, and he said it depressed him to see Libby's children show up and the thought of what they must be going through while their dad stands trial. Like me, my husband thinks he is guilty as sin. Like me, he would be okay if Bush pardoned him. Just because he's guilty doesn't mean he has to go to jail. When someone is pardoned, they are pardoned from the CRIME they committed--not pardoned from a non-crime. LOTS of people commit crimes and don't spend a day in jail. It doesn't mean they are not guilty of the crime.
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I never said he should go to jail and if he was pardoned is of no consequence to me but it makes no sense that you convict someone and then not want them punished in someway. He is guilty and should be punished whether it be jail or community service but he should get something not let off the hook.
 
Just Me 2 said:
I never said he should go to jail and if he was pardoned is of no consequence to me but it makes no sense that you convict someone and then not want them punished in someway. He is guilty and should be punished whether it be jail or community service but he should get something not let off the hook.
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A finding of guilt for a federal offense is truly a punishment in and of itself. I am not sure if a pardon would change this, but right now, the man is no longer entitled to vote.

I guess I don't understand why you think it makes no sense to convict someone and then not want them punished. She clearly felt sympathy for Libby, but that didn't take away the fact that he lied before a grand jury. I would hate to think she would have voted to acquit him solely because she didn't want to see him go to jail or suffer any consequences when the facts showed he had lied before the grand jury.
 
aps said:
A finding of guilt for a federal offense is truly a punishment in and of itself. I am not sure if a pardon would change this, but right now, the man is no longer entitled to vote.

I guess I don't understand why you think it makes no sense to convict someone and then not want them punished. She clearly felt sympathy for Libby, but that didn't take away the fact that he lied before a grand jury. I would hate to think she would have voted to acquit him solely because she didn't want to see him go to jail or suffer any consequences when the facts showed he had lied before the grand jury.
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She can feel all the empathy she wants but it does not remove the fact that she assisted in finding him guilty of a federal offense and he should have some sort of punishment.

If she felt their was enough evidence for her to convict then she needs to accept that he will have to pay for that in someway. He doesn't have to go to jail he can get community service but not a complete walk.
 
BubbaBob said:
Sorry, but no he didn't. No national security issues were involved.

IF he lied, and that is a big if considering none of us remember every detail of every conversation we had a few years back...but IF he lied, he lied about something that was not even illegal. It would be akin to having the FBI knock on your door looking for illegal aliens, and asking if you were chewing gum when the illegals ran past your window...you were, but said you weren't, so you get charged with lying to the FBI during an investigation.

BubbaBob
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hmmmm
kind of like lying about whore-ing out some intern in the oval office
 
aps said:
So someone should only vote to find someone guilty if they want to see them go to jail? That doesn't make sense. Libby was guilty. She feels sorry for him and doesn't want him to go to jail. My husband sat in the courtroom on one of the days of the trial, and he said it depressed him to see Libby's children show up and the thought of what they must be going through while their dad stands trial. Like me, my husband thinks he is guilty as sin. Like me, he would be okay if Bush pardoned him. Just because he's guilty doesn't mean he has to go to jail. When someone is pardoned, they are pardoned from the CRIME they committed--not pardoned from a non-crime. LOTS of people commit crimes and don't spend a day in jail. It doesn't mean they are not guilty of the crime.
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than whats the point of the judicial system?
why was all that money wasted if he should not go to jail?
maybe Scooter should have thought about his 'poor children' before commiting the crime :roll:
 
Just Me 2 said:
She can feel all the empathy she wants but it does not remove the fact that she assisted in finding him guilty of a federal offense and he should have some sort of punishment.

If she felt their was enough evidence for her to convict then she needs to accept that he will have to pay for that in someway. He doesn't have to go to jail he can get community service but not a complete walk.
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We agree on this. She will need to accept whatever punishment he gets. I am against the death penalty, but that doesn't mean I won't convict someone if I believe the person committed murder just because that would subjec them to the death penalty (although I doubt I would even be in a jury if I admitted during jury selection that I was against the death penalty if that punishment was a possible outcome).
 
DeeJayH said:
than whats the point of the judicial system?
why was all that money wasted if he should not go to jail?
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What's the point of the judicial system? You can't be serious. Whether you find someone guilty or not guilty should not be remotely based upon the potential punishment. It should based upon whether the facts establish that a law was violated. What world do you live in?

maybe Scooter should have thought about his 'poor children' before commiting the crime :roll:
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I totally agree. I think he genuinely thought he would be protected because he believed the reporters would not "out" him.
 
aps said:
What's the point of the judicial system? You can't be serious. Whether you find someone guilty or not guilty should not be remotely based upon the potential punishment. It should based upon whether the facts establish that a law was violated. What world do you live in?
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why dont you try and put together the highliged portions from the post of yours I QUOTED with the response i made to it
or dont they teach you how to do that on the planet you come from :roll:
 
DeeJayH said:
why dont you try and put together the highliged portions from the post of yours I QUOTED with the response i made to it
or dont they teach you how to do that on the planet you come from :roll:
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Thank you for reminding me why I don't like to have exchanges with you. Bye bye :2wave:
 
aps said:
Thank you for reminding me why I don't like to have exchanges with you. Bye bye :2wave:
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good riddance
since you are incapable of following the flow of the debate
take it deep
 
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