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Kalama Sutta The Buddha's Charter of Free Inquiry
4. "It is proper for you, Kalamas, to doubt, to be uncertain; uncertainty has arisen in you about what is doubtful. Come, Kalamas. Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another's seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, 'The monk is our teacher.' Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are bad; these things are blamable; these things are censured by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill,' abandon them.
Why are you so obsessed with Buddhism?@joluoto
The way I understand it is that you shouldn't go by:
what has been acquired by repeated saying
tradition
rumor
what is in a scripture (a sacred writing or book)
assumption
upon axiom (a self-evident or universally recognized truth)
upon "specious" reasoning
or upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over
another's seeming ability
or upon consideration
And then it says:
'The monk is our teacher.'
Now - let me ask you:
Where the heck did the monk get what he's teaching you?
Why are you so obsessed with Buddhism?
It appears this is the typical "Christian must discredit other beliefs to justify theirs" kind of thread. The exact same questions could be asked about anything in the Bible and this poster and others would claim they have the corner on truth because "reasons". Some even go so far as to say they talk to some deity when if taken in any other context would be thought of as requiring mental help. You know, like me saying I have regular conversations with Sun Tzu.Why are you so obsessed with Buddhism?
It appears this is the typical "Christian must discredit other beliefs to justify theirs" kind of thread. The exact same questions could be asked about anything in the Bible and this poster and others would claim they have the corner on truth because "reasons". Some even go so far as to say they talk to some deity when if taken in any other context would be thought of as requiring mental help. You know, like me saying I have regular conversations with Sun Tzu.
This is pretty simple. If said soul aligned with Christianity, then it's done. If it aligned with a religion that accepts reincarnation, then it gets to continue. If you have any...This question is very clearly explained in this video.
And, it becomes another CONNECT-THE-DOTS (corroborative) with other verses and biblical narratives.
2 Cor 5:8
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
amen.
I have nothing to defend, because I am not a believer. You have to make the case because it's your assertion what you believe is some universal truth. The point I made about the questions you've posed can be applied to any set of beliefs people have, which is why these exercises are usually futile from the perspective of trying to question people's faiths.I don't have to justify mine.
This is a discussion board.
The discussion was brought back on by a NON-CHRISTIAN who brought up BUDDHISM in another thread!
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This is pretty simple. If said soul aligned with Christianity, then it's done. If it aligned with a religion that accepts reincarnation, then it gets to continue. If you have any...This question is very clearly explained in this video.
And, it becomes another CONNECT-THE-DOTS (corroborative) with other verses and biblical narratives.
2 Cor 5:8
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
amen.
by @phoenix2020
...........................wh just mysteriously disappeared from the radar!
If you're going to challenge a Christian about her belief - you better make sure you can stand your ground and defend yours.
I have nothing to defend, because I am not a believer. You have to make the case because it's your assertion what you believe is some universal truth. The point I made about the questions you've posed can be applied to any set of beliefs people have, which is why these exercises are usually futile from the perspective of trying to question people's faiths.
Buddha just left and abandoned his family!
You can't white-wash that!
He ran from his responsibility!
So he wanted to seek "enlightenment."
Quite self-centered, the way he went about it!
It's mysogenistic, to elevate this man - after the treatment to his family - rather than his wife!
Lol - It's his wife, who had shown exemplary virtue!
Yaśodharā was wedded to the Shakya prince Siddhartha when they were both 16. At the age of 29, she gave birth to their only child, a boy named Rāhula.
On the night of his birth, the prince left the palace; his departure is called the Great Renunciation.
Yaśodharā was devastated and overcome with grief.
Once prince Siddhartha left his home at night for enlightenment, the next day, everyone was surprised by the absence of the prince.
Yaśodharā was wedded to the Shakya prince Siddhartha when they were both 16. At the age of 29, she gave birth to their only child, a boy named Rāhula. On the night of his birth, the prince left the palace; his departure is called the Great Renunciation. Yaśodharā was devastated and overcome with grief. Once prince Siddhartha left his home at night for enlightenment, the next day, everyone was surprised by the absence of the prince. The famous Indian Hindi poet Maithili Sharan Gupt (1886–1964) tried to express the emotions of Yaśodharā in his eponymous poem about her, translated by Gurmeet Kaur:
Later, when she realised that he had left, Yaśodharā decided to lead a simple life.
When the Buddha visited Kapilavastu after enlightenment, Yaśodharā did not go to see her former husband but asked her son Rāhula to go to the Buddha to seek inheritance.
For herself, she thought: "Surely if I have gained any virtue at all the Lord will come to my presence."
In order to fulfill her wish, Buddha came into her presence and admired her patience and sacrifice.
King Suddhodana told Buddha how his daughter-in-law, Yasodhara, had spent her life in grief, without her husband.
Also, there is Naraseeha Gatha, a Buddhist verse which was recited by Princess Yasodhara to Rahula, explaining the noble virtues and physical characteristics of the Buddha after his enlightenment.
"Gatha" refers to a poetic verse or hymn, often used in Buddhist scriptures to convey teachings or express devotion.
Me think - he was having a mid-life crisis?
Is that what they call "family values?"Jesus had no family and told his followers to leave theirs.
@anatta
@poppopfox
@ataraxia
@joluoto
.......and anyone here who follows Buddha.
Let's just clear this up.
Speaking for myself - I follow Christ because I believe in His promises, and want to get in His Kingdom.
What do you hope to attain by following Buddha?
What is your end goal?
The 8 Fold Noble path (Buddhism)is a humanistic guide to living an honorable life free from suffering to attachments@anatta
@poppopfox
@ataraxia
@joluoto
.......and anyone here who follows Buddha.
Let's just clear this up.
Speaking for myself - I follow Christ because I believe in His promises, and want to get in His Kingdom.
What do you hope to attain by following Buddha?
What is your end goal?
bingo.. exactlyWrong understanding. You left out the meaning by selective quoting.
From his teacher(s).
BTW,
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that is part of the Kalama Sutta..how to decide what to venerate, and what to avoid@joluoto
The way I understand it is that you shouldn't go by:
what has been acquired by repeated saying
tradition
rumor
what is in a scripture (a sacred writing or book)
assumption
upon axiom (a self-evident or universally recognized truth)
upon "specious" reasoning
or upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over
another's seeming ability
or upon consideration
And then it says:
'The monk is our teacher.'
Now - let me ask you:
Where the heck did the monk get what he's teaching you?
no "escaping the world" in Buddhism -although Siddhartha Gautama ( a prince before he became the enlightened Buddha)Interestingly enough the Buddha and Christ arrived at the same diagnosis of the world…..that it was sick…..but they responded differently. The Buddha’s response was to teach a method to escape the world…..on the other hand Christ offered a way to cure the world…….far different from the method of God who offered no pathway to eternal life…..
no "escaping the world"
There's actually the idea that you become more free to engage with the world when you are free of attachments to results. You do what you have to do (for example, you take care of your child, even if you know they may leave you, get leukemia at age 8 and die, etc...). You should be engaged with your work, but not expecting you will never be fired, go bankrupt, etc... So it's not really an escapism, as it is a freeing up to engage in the world, but free of attachment.To me a life free of attachments would be an escape from the world…..one becomes out of the gravitational pull of attachment…..
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