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Let's Start Charging Men To Have Babies followed up with an itemized list of what a mother has lost after becoming unemployed to carry and care

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Let's Start Charging Men To Have Babies followed up with an itemized list of what a mother has lost after becoming unemployed to carry and care for child. While men carry on as usual.......

Women had a good pandemic the last time around—something actually came of it!—compared with this one, which is total shit. Just over a century ago, the 1918 flu pandemic may have vanquished a decent chunk of the global population, but after witnessing mass death, plus the loss of their children from other preventable diseases like diphtheria and meningitis, women decided to actually do something about it.

When (white) American women got the vote two years later, they used their newfound political power to immediately pressure local and federal governments into action, resulting in the largest expansion of public health spending in US history up until that point. It was wildly successful, fueling later large-scale door-to-door household hygiene campaigns and driving an 18 percent decline in childhood infectious diseases, with 20,000 fewer annual deaths compared with pre-suffrage mortality rates.

Then, as now, women were overwhelmingly the early adopters of that revolution—washing their hands, boiling milk to kill bacteria, and refrigerating meat—while men generally resisted even the most basic public health directives, much as they’ve resisted wearing masks today.

Quite simply: More children lived because politicians actually responded to the flush of new female voters and their demand for less death.

This must sound like a sick joke to the over 3.5 million mothers who’ve watched Covid-19 kill their careers and then West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin cancel any hopes of paid leave or state-subsidized child care.

Now, as we’re staring down the complete loss of Roe v. Wade and a new bill in Missouri where the party of life—as long as it’s cis, straight, male, and white—just proposed (and scuttled after a massive outcry) a ban on abortion for nonviable pregnancies, women everywhere are taking shallow breaths.
 
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It never occurs to him that his behavior might also be a boner-killer for her, or that her relatively modest proposal doesn’t even begin to make up for the lifetime hit to her finances and career prospects.

But the beauty of her approach is that it doesn’t matter whether he likes it or not.

This isn’t your grandmother’s free baby store, where men get to spawn and then carry on with their lives at no cost. Welcome to the future, where men use their “fatherhood bonus”—the documented salary advantage that working fathers receive compared with working mothers and childless men—to pay for the privilege of passing on their genetic material. No more entitlements.

Now, I know it sounds great, but there are some downsides to this plan. As the psychologist Laurie Rudman discovered in her studies of bargaining power in relationships, when women deploy more competitive negotiation tactics, their husbands tend to punish them by withholding emotional labor. Defying conventional gender norms comes with a cost, so be sure to factor it into the price of having the baby.

There are, of course, other expenses to consider, such as the hit to your 401(k), the cost of more therapy, etc. Just capitalize it all into the final valuation, and don’t be afraid if it reaches into the millions. You don’t want to lowball yourself like the woman in the Reddit post, who isn’t even charging for all the grief her ungrateful partner is giving her on the Internet. Remember, the goal is to make pregnancy so prohibitively expensive that men might actually insist on a government bailout.

Oh, and once all the baby-making is over: mandatory vasectomies as a condition for sex. By then, Republicans will have fully criminalized birth control—which is itself already a responsibility borne disproportionately by women, who are expected to reroute their reproductive systems to maximize male pleasure.

This last part is a long shot, I’ll admit, since relying on men to compromise themselves in any way is a fantasy. But then again so is crypto, and that doesn’t stop them. Maybe the solution is to rebrand our kids as IRL NFTs, then sit back as men fall over each other to “invest.”

Sure, they may be disappointed when their Bored Ape turns out to be a crying baby, but at least they’ll have gotten something out of it, which right now is a hell of a lot more than women can say.

Let’s Start Charging Men to Have Babies

Mothers are pushed out of the workforce. Maybe it’s time for a market solution.
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The Nation

NEWS ALERT: DADS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN THE PAID-LEAVE FIGHT, TOO

Let's Start Charging Men To Have Babies followed up with an itemized list of what a mother has lost after becoming unemployed to carry and care for child. While men carry on as usual.......

Women had a good pandemic the last time around—something actually came of it!—compared with this one, which is total shit. Just over a century ago, the 1918 flu pandemic may have vanquished a decent chunk of the global population, but after witnessing mass death, plus the loss of their children from other preventable diseases like diphtheria and meningitis, women decided to actually do something about it.

When (white) American women got the vote two years later, they used their newfound political power to immediately pressure local and federal governments into action, resulting in the largest expansion of public health spending in US history up until that point. It was wildly successful, fueling later large-scale door-to-door household hygiene campaigns and driving an 18 percent decline in childhood infectious diseases, with 20,000 fewer annual deaths compared with pre-suffrage mortality rates.

Then, as now, women were overwhelmingly the early adopters of that revolution—washing their hands, boiling milk to kill bacteria, and refrigerating meat—while men generally resisted even the most basic public health directives, much as they’ve resisted wearing masks today.

Quite simply: More children lived because politicians actually responded to the flush of new female voters and their demand for less death.

This must sound like a sick joke to the over 3.5 million mothers who’ve watched Covid-19 kill their careers and then West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin cancel any hopes of paid leave or state-subsidized child care.

Now, as we’re staring down the complete loss of Roe v. Wade and a new bill in Missouri where the party of life—as long as it’s cis, straight, male, and white—just proposed (and scuttled after a massive outcry) a ban on abortion for nonviable pregnancies, women everywhere are taking shallow breaths.
Withholding social infrastructure to push women out of the workforce while making them privately finance raising their children is peak capitalism and pure evil. The only solution is to lean into our exponentially consumer-driven society and deploy a market strategy: Women need to start charging men to have babies.
 
That is a hilarious take. Gilbert Gottfried would be proud. RIP.
 
The Nation

NEWS ALERT: DADS HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN THE PAID-LEAVE FIGHT, TOO

Let's Start Charging Men To Have Babies followed up with an itemized list of what a mother has lost after becoming unemployed to carry and care for child. While men carry on as usual.......

Women had a good pandemic the last time around—something actually came of it!—compared with this one, which is total shit. Just over a century ago, the 1918 flu pandemic may have vanquished a decent chunk of the global population, but after witnessing mass death, plus the loss of their children from other preventable diseases like diphtheria and meningitis, women decided to actually do something about it.

When (white) American women got the vote two years later, they used their newfound political power to immediately pressure local and federal governments into action, resulting in the largest expansion of public health spending in US history up until that point. It was wildly successful, fueling later large-scale door-to-door household hygiene campaigns and driving an 18 percent decline in childhood infectious diseases, with 20,000 fewer annual deaths compared with pre-suffrage mortality rates.

Then, as now, women were overwhelmingly the early adopters of that revolution—washing their hands, boiling milk to kill bacteria, and refrigerating meat—while men generally resisted even the most basic public health directives, much as they’ve resisted wearing masks today.

Quite simply: More children lived because politicians actually responded to the flush of new female voters and their demand for less death.

This must sound like a sick joke to the over 3.5 million mothers who’ve watched Covid-19 kill their careers and then West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin cancel any hopes of paid leave or state-subsidized child care.

Now, as we’re staring down the complete loss of Roe v. Wade and a new bill in Missouri where the party of life—as long as it’s cis, straight, male, and white—just proposed (and scuttled after a massive outcry) a ban on abortion for nonviable pregnancies, women everywhere are taking shallow breaths.
Definitely food for thought but being a pregnant woman does not seem fun and neither do those 100 hours a week being Mom...........
 
Who knows this concept may come to be ............
 
"Oh, and once all the baby-making is over: mandatory vasectomies as a condition for sex. "

The absurdity of your idea is off-the-chart. This is complete nonsense.

This is why informed people rarely take the left seriously.

Who knows this concept may come to be ............
Mandatory vasectomies? That's totalitarian Nazi shit right there.

C'mon man. 🙄
 
"Oh, and once all the baby-making is over: mandatory vasectomies as a condition for sex. "

The absurdity of your idea is off-the-chart. This is complete nonsense.

This is why informed people rarely take the left seriously.


Mandatory vasectomies? That's totalitarian Nazi shit right there.

C'mon man. 🙄
This is not my idea ..... idiot.

BTW stop being reckless with your sperm .........
 
Hey, now there's a really good argument.

(Just kidding - no it's not)
anytime I can help a woman be proactive It's my turn.

Put a cap on it ...........
 
anytime I can help a woman be proactive It's my turn.

Put a cap on it ...........
The reason leftist kooks are ignored by informed people is because of the patently absurd things that radical leftists propose.

Mandatory vasectomies is an absurd idea.

You helped no one by posting this nonsense.
 
The reason leftist kooks are ignored by informed people is because of the patently absurd things that radical leftists propose.

Mandatory vasectomies is an absurd idea.

You helped no one by posting this nonsense.
Mandatory would not be necessary if reckless men would be pro-active.

YOU don't know if this has helped anyone or not..........
 
"Oh, and once all the baby-making is over: mandatory vasectomies as a condition for sex. "

The absurdity of your idea is off-the-chart. This is complete nonsense.

This is why informed people rarely take the left seriously.


Mandatory vasectomies? That's totalitarian Nazi shit right there.

C'mon man. 🙄
What do you expect from a media outlet that endorsed Castro lover Bernie Sanders?
 
What do you expect from a media outlet that endorsed Castro lover Bernie Sanders?
The radicalized left are funny people. . . We can laugh at them.

When they demand that we accept their absurd ideas (e.g. Mandatory Vasectomies), we laugh even harder.
 
Let's Start Charging Men To Have Babies followed up with an itemized list of what a mother has lost after becoming unemployed to carry and care for child. While men carry on as usual.......

Women had a good pandemic the last time around—something actually came of it!—compared with this one, which is total shit. Just over a century ago, the 1918 flu pandemic may have vanquished a decent chunk of the global population, but after witnessing mass death, plus the loss of their children from other preventable diseases like diphtheria and meningitis, women decided to actually do something about it.

When (white) American women got the vote two years later, they used their newfound political power to immediately pressure local and federal governments into action, resulting in the largest expansion of public health spending in US history up until that point. It was wildly successful, fueling later large-scale door-to-door household hygiene campaigns and driving an 18 percent decline in childhood infectious diseases, with 20,000 fewer annual deaths compared with pre-suffrage mortality rates.

Then, as now, women were overwhelmingly the early adopters of that revolution—washing their hands, boiling milk to kill bacteria, and refrigerating meat—while men generally resisted even the most basic public health directives, much as they’ve resisted wearing masks today.

Quite simply: More children lived because politicians actually responded to the flush of new female voters and their demand for less death.

This must sound like a sick joke to the over 3.5 million mothers who’ve watched Covid-19 kill their careers and then West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin cancel any hopes of paid leave or state-subsidized child care.

Now, as we’re staring down the complete loss of Roe v. Wade and a new bill in Missouri where the party of life—as long as it’s cis, straight, male, and white—just proposed (and scuttled after a massive outcry) a ban on abortion for nonviable pregnancies, women everywhere are taking shallow breaths.
Sounds as if you are suggesting women can't have a child and have a job and a career.
 
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