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Let's Sacrifice For Fiscal Responsibility

jonny5

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Given the BBBBill will increase the deficit, name one thing that you will give up in order to reduce the cost. Ill give up the whole thing if it helps. Heres a summary of the costs according to the CBO.

Title I. Committee on Agriculture 81,746
Title II. Committee on Education and Labora 458,986
Title III. Committee on Energy and Commerce 321,736
Title IV. Committee on Financial Services 156,643
Title IX. Committee on Science, Space, and Technology 9,424
Title V. Committee on Homeland Security 1,500
Title VI. Committee on the Judiciary 147,898
Title VII. Committee on Natural Resources 17,012
Title VIII. Committee on Oversight and Reform 13,775
Title X. Committee on Small Business 5,025
Title XI. Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure 39,278
Title XII. Committee on Veterans Affairs 5,000
Title XIII. Committee on Ways and Means 419,901


And a few examples

REQUIRING FULL BENEFITS FOR PREGNANT
20 AND POSTPARTUM WOMEN FOR 12-MONTH PERIOD POST
21 PREGNANCY.—

$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19
ing strategies;

NATIVE AMERICAN OUTREACH PROGRAM.—

SEC. 100602. NEW START ENTREPRENEURIAL DEVELOP5
MENT PROGRAM FOR FORMERLY INCARCER6
ATED INDIVIDUALS.
 
jonny5 said:
$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19
ing strategies;
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Seriously...more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! going to people just for "developing and evaluating plans and strategies".

Hell, if you split that $4 Billion up and just GAVE it to homeless people...they wouldn't be homeless anymore. Instead, they want to give more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! to people who won't actually do anything but sit in a room and think about the problem.

This is payola.
 
jonny5 said:
Given the BBBBill will increase the deficit, name one thing that you will give up in order to reduce the cost. Ill give up the whole thing if it helps. Heres a summary of the costs according to the CBO.

Title I. Committee on Agriculture 81,746
Title II. Committee on Education and Labora 458,986
Title III. Committee on Energy and Commerce 321,736
Title IV. Committee on Financial Services 156,643
Title IX. Committee on Science, Space, and Technology 9,424
Title V. Committee on Homeland Security 1,500
Title VI. Committee on the Judiciary 147,898
Title VII. Committee on Natural Resources 17,012
Title VIII. Committee on Oversight and Reform 13,775
Title X. Committee on Small Business 5,025
Title XI. Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure 39,278
Title XII. Committee on Veterans Affairs 5,000
Title XIII. Committee on Ways and Means 419,901


And a few examples

REQUIRING FULL BENEFITS FOR PREGNANT
20 AND POSTPARTUM WOMEN FOR 12-MONTH PERIOD POST
21 PREGNANCY.—

$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19
ing strategies;

NATIVE AMERICAN OUTREACH PROGRAM.—

SEC. 100602. NEW START ENTREPRENEURIAL DEVELOP5
MENT PROGRAM FOR FORMERLY INCARCER6
ATED INDIVIDUALS.
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Ok let's sacrifice. How about we give the military four hundred million a month instead of eight hundred million a month, each and every month.
 
Mycroft said:
Seriously...more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! going to people just for "developing and evaluating plans and strategies".

Hell, if you split that $4 Billion up and just GAVE it to homeless people...they wouldn't be homeless anymore. Instead, they want to give more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! to people who won't actually do anything but sit in a room and think about the problem.

This is payola.
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Yeah, they should totally just tell workers to go build stuff whereever they see it. Planning how you're going to do what you want to do before you go do it is for liberal marixst soscialist coastal fascist elites, right? So we gotta skip that part and.... you know....build things.

The Mycroft Infrastructure plan. Brilliant.
 
jonny5 said:
Given the BBBBill will increase the deficit, name one thing that you will give up in order to reduce the cost. Ill give up the whole thing if it helps. Heres a summary of the costs according to the CBO.

Title I. Committee on Agriculture 81,746
Title II. Committee on Education and Labora 458,986
Title III. Committee on Energy and Commerce 321,736
Title IV. Committee on Financial Services 156,643
Title IX. Committee on Science, Space, and Technology 9,424
Title V. Committee on Homeland Security 1,500
Title VI. Committee on the Judiciary 147,898
Title VII. Committee on Natural Resources 17,012
Title VIII. Committee on Oversight and Reform 13,775
Title X. Committee on Small Business 5,025
Title XI. Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure 39,278
Title XII. Committee on Veterans Affairs 5,000
Title XIII. Committee on Ways and Means 419,901


And a few examples

REQUIRING FULL BENEFITS FOR PREGNANT
20 AND POSTPARTUM WOMEN FOR 12-MONTH PERIOD POST
21 PREGNANCY.—

$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19
ing strategies;

NATIVE AMERICAN OUTREACH PROGRAM.—

SEC. 100602. NEW START ENTREPRENEURIAL DEVELOP5
MENT PROGRAM FOR FORMERLY INCARCER6
ATED INDIVIDUALS.
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Not a hard choice.

I'd give up the entire bill.

Pretty much the same reason that I will not be flying to Hawaii this winter. Don't have the cash that I want to waste on this.
 
where was this fiscal concern when tRump got a $1.9 Trillion tax cut that went primarily to the top 2%?

point that out and then we can begin to discuss the need for federal austerity now
 
justabubba said:
where was this fiscal concern when tRump got a $1.9 Trillion tax cut that went primarily to the top 2%?

point that out and then we can begin to discuss the need for federal austerity now
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This is the year when the cuts for the rest of us start to disappear, isn't it?
 
Mr Person said:
Yeah, they should totally just tell workers to go build stuff whereever they see it. Planning how you're going to do what you want to do before you go do it is for liberal marixst soscialist coastal fascist elites, right? So we gotta skip that part and.... you know....build things.

The Mycroft Infrastructure plan. Brilliant.
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It doesn't take $4 freaking BILLION dollars to come up with a plan.
 
How about

SEC. 22011. MIGRANT AND SEASONAL FARMWORKER PROGRAMS.
SEC. 30203. GRANTS TO REDUCE WASTE IN COMMUNITIES.
SEC. 31101. DEPLOYMENT OF NEXT GENERATION 9-1-1.
SEC. 40203. HUD-INSURED SMALL DOLLAR MORTGAGE DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM.

Even a single dollar in here we dont need to add hundreds of billions in debt and trillions in interest for?
 
Heres an easy one. The black hole that is govt funded rail.

SEC. 110009. PASSENGER RAIL IMPROVEMENT, MODERNIZATION, AND EMISSIONS
REDUCTION GRANTS.

(a) Appropriation.--In addition to amounts otherwise available,
there is appropriated to the Secretary of Transportation for fiscal
year 2022, out of any money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated,
$10,000,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2026, for
financial assistance under chapter 261 of title 49, United States Code,
to eligible entities for eligible projects.
 
justabubba said:
where was this fiscal concern when tRump got a $1.9 Trillion tax cut that went primarily to the top 2%?

point that out and then we can begin to discuss the need for federal austerity now
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My taxes, year over year, were reduced by 20%.

Letting people keep money they have earned is not giving money away.

Literally millions of Americans were employed by employers taking advantage of the tax cuts intended to be incentives to establish or masintain businesses in the US.

Federal Tax revenues increased year over year.

Your premise is false on its face and your conclusion is illogical.
 
Start by reducing direct military aid to Israel.
 
code1211 said:
My taxes, year over year, were reduced by 20%.

Letting people keep money they have earned is not giving money away.

Literally millions of Americans were employed by employers taking advantage of the tax cuts intended to be incentives to establish or masintain businesses in the US.

Federal Tax revenues increased year over year.

Your premise is false on its face and your conclusion is illogical.
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what is illogical is to believe that waiving $1.9 Trillion in taxes to be paid by the rich is not offset by (1) a larger federal accumulated deficit and/or (2) the non-rich having to pay more to make up for what the rich were no longer obligated to pay
 
code1211 said:
My taxes, year over year, were reduced by 20%.

Letting people keep money they have earned is not giving money away.

Literally millions of Americans were employed by employers taking advantage of the tax cuts intended to be incentives to establish or masintain businesses in the US.

Federal Tax revenues increased year over year.

Your premise is false on its face and your conclusion is illogical.
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Your tax cut starts to go down starting this year.

You do know that the tax cuts in that bill for the working class sunset starting this year while those for the donor class never do, right?
 
Mycroft said:
Seriously...more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! going to people just for "developing and evaluating plans and strategies".

Hell, if you split that $4 Billion up and just GAVE it to homeless people...they wouldn't be homeless anymore. Instead, they want to give more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! to people who won't actually do anything but sit in a room and think about the problem.

This is payola.
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The money isn't going only to planning, but implementing/developing the "plans." So....building new housing, refurbishing/rehabbing existing housing.
 
JasperL said:
The money isn't going only to planning, but implementing/developing the "plans." So....building new housing, refurbishing/rehabbing existing housing.
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$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19
ing strategies;​

I don't see anything there about "implementing" anything. I don't see anything there about "building", "refurbishing" or "rehabbing" anything.

It's all about coming up with plans and strategies. In other words...exactly what I said: "Instead, they want to give more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! to people who won't actually do anything but sit in a room and think about the problem."
 
jonny5 said:
Given the BBBBill will increase the deficit, name one thing that you will give up in order to reduce the cost.
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I think you covered my list, roughly, here:

jonny5 said:
Heres a summary of the costs according to the CBO.

Title I. Committee on Agriculture 81,746
Title II. Committee on Education and Labora 458,986
Title III. Committee on Energy and Commerce 321,736
Title IV. Committee on Financial Services 156,643
Title IX. Committee on Science, Space, and Technology 9,424
Title V. Committee on Homeland Security 1,500
Title VI. Committee on the Judiciary 147,898
Title VII. Committee on Natural Resources 17,012
Title VIII. Committee on Oversight and Reform 13,775
Title X. Committee on Small Business 5,025
Title XI. Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure 39,278
Title XII. Committee on Veterans Affairs 5,000
Title XIII. Committee on Ways and Means 419,901
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:)
 
Mycroft said:
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$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning​
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate​
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19​
ing strategies;​

I don't see anything there about "implementing" anything. I don't see anything there about "building", "refurbishing" or "rehabbing" anything.

It's all about coming up with plans and strategies. In other words...exactly what I said: "Instead, they want to give more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! to people who won't actually do anything but sit in a room and think about the problem."
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Heck, I would be willing to sit around in a room and think about the problem for a mere $4 Million.

I should write my Congressman - We could save the government some real money :D
 
Encouraging states, cities, and/or counties to come up with ways to streamline regulatory requirements and shorten processes, reform zoning codes, or pursue other initiatives that reduce barriers to housing supply is, in fact, good.
 
Greenbeard said:
Encouraging states, cities, and/or counties to come up with ways to streamline regulatory requirements and shorten processes, reform zoning codes, or pursue other initiatives that reduce barriers to housing supply is, in fact, good.
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Eh. It is a good end which is not the same as saying that all means which are attempted to achieve it are therefore Good in and of themselves.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Start by reducing direct military aid to Israel.
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Not in the bill. And I get the feeling you wouldnt be sacrificing.

Closest I could find was the section about amnesty for foreign nationals here illegally.
 
Mycroft said:
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$4,260,000,000 for awarding planning​
17 grants under this section to develop and evaluate​
18 housing policy plans and substantially improve hous19​
ing strategies;​

I don't see anything there about "implementing" anything. I don't see anything there about "building", "refurbishing" or "rehabbing" anything.

It's all about coming up with plans and strategies. In other words...exactly what I said: "Instead, they want to give more than $4 freaking BILLION!!! to people who won't actually do anything but sit in a room and think about the problem."
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I see, so you're opinion is on the 3 sentence summary of the bill....

Here's the legislation. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5376/text

SEC. 40103. UNLOCKING POSSIBILITIES PROGRAM

There you'll find that "C. Grants" includes both planning and implementation grants.
 
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