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Let's put the Capitol "riot" in perspective

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No way!

Putting things in perspective would ruin the narrative.

You know what it is: Trump bad. Biden good. Nancy beautiful. Paradise awaits us in exactly one more week! Yea!
Ok, lets put things in perspective. This mess was started by an immature little man who could not accept the fact that he lost. He started spreading that crap months before the election, saying if he lost, it would be due to the election being rigged. As recently as a few days ago he insisted that he won the election in a landslide, but it was stolen from him. Somehow he managed to convince millions of his voters of that lie. He was totally unprepared for the job the day he was elected and never made a serious attempt to grow into it. The truly scary part is were it not for his inept handling of the pandemic he might have won re-election. Good riddance.
 

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The raid on the Capitol was the result of 4 years of being told to sit down and shut up every time there was a question about the validity of ANY accusation against Trump. The election was just the last straw.
Losing the election was the last straw for the Trump cult, who preceded to commit treason.

Why should we care that Trump cultists were upset their Dear Leader’s crimes were called out?
 

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How many showed up with flexi cuffs and how many people are needed to organize that acquisition?

Some gut showed up with a few guns and molitov cocktails in his truck. That's a one man "conspiracy". The gallows was purely a political statement.
Unmitigated rubbish.
 

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So how many here have attended college, or even high school? Did you ever go to parties? Did you ever go to one of those parties where everything was going along really well? The music was blaring, people were feeling good. There were guys meeting girls and girls meeting guys and everyone was loose and having a great time.

Then a few more people showed up.

This group was a little bit more boisterous and next thing you know there's people doing shots. Then there's some guy being hung upside down over the keg and some chick has her boobs out. That's all good too but you just kind of know....there it goes! A couple of guys just got in a fight and now there's a broken window and the cops are on their way.

That's kind of the dynamic we saw in DC last week. You had a few people that took things a lot farther than need be and a lot that just kind of got caught up in the moment. It wasn't any kind of "planned attack" (outside of maybe a few that really did want to do some damage) and wasn't intended to do anything other than make a political statement. It was over in a few hours and there wasn't any "occupation" or any resurgence of the attacks the next day. There wasn't even a resurgence that night! The "riot" never took to the streets and it damned sure didn't break out across the nation.

The media, left, right and middle, would have you believe that this was the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.
A murderous Trumpist mob storms the capitol seeking to execute Pence and various congresspeople, seeking a coup to overturn the election they lost. This is after months of lies and conspiracy theories about non-existent voter fraud. They beat a cop to death. They trample their own. They stain America.

Lutherf: meh, just a good time that got out of hand.





Lutherf just showed us - yet again - what's really in the soul of a Trumpist.
 

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So here's the difference - the Capitol riot got out of hand, stopped and wasn't repeated. The BLM riots this summer started, grew, metastasized and spread across the nation. While the George Floyd stuff in Minneapolis may have "just got a little out of hand" it had all kinds of precedent in other such "demonstrations" going back 50 years and then it continued for MONTHS. The "events" were planned, supplied and generally supported by media and elected officials alike.
They're literally trying to use social media to organize further coup attempts.
 

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So how many here have attended college, or even high school? Did you ever go to parties? Did you ever go to one of those parties where everything was going along really well? The music was blaring, people were feeling good. There were guys meeting girls and girls meeting guys and everyone was loose and having a great time.

Then a few more people showed up.

This group was a little bit more boisterous and next thing you know there's people doing shots. Then there's some guy being hung upside down over the keg and some chick has her boobs out. That's all good too but you just kind of know....there it goes! A couple of guys just got in a fight and now there's a broken window and the cops are on their way.

That's kind of the dynamic we saw in DC last week. You had a few people that took things a lot farther than need be and a lot that just kind of got caught up in the moment. It wasn't any kind of "planned attack" (outside of maybe a few that really did want to do some damage) and wasn't intended to do anything other than make a political statement. It was over in a few hours and there wasn't any "occupation" or any resurgence of the attacks the next day. There wasn't even a resurgence that night! The "riot" never took to the streets and it damned sure didn't break out across the nation.

The media, left, right and middle, would have you believe that this was the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.
Mostly correct. There were a few that were their in a planned and coordinated manner intend on doing something more. I don't know what it was, because they failed, but it was something. The guy with the zip-ties comes to mind, where that's obviously something you use to take prisoners.
 

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Mostly correct. There were a few that were their in a planned and coordinated manner intend on doing something more. I don't know what it was, because they failed, but it was something. The guy with the zip-ties comes to mind, where that's obviously something you use to take prisoners.
Oh come on it was just a coup where they were probably going to execute AOC or Ilhan Omar live on the internet, everyone did it in college.
 

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Oh come on it was just a coup where they were probably going to execute AOC or Ilhan Omar live on the internet, everyone did it in college.
If they had managed to catch certain Congress people, Baghdad Bob wouldnt have had anything on them in terms of the heinousness of the video that came out.

Sure, it wouldnt have been a beheading presumably, but it would have been a videoed assault on democracy, which is way worse to me.
 

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Who was it who said "When the looting starts, the shooting starts,"?

I would hope that if Trump's troops attempt something like this again, the security forces mow them down like dogs. That's MY house you'r ****ing with!
 

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The raid on the Capitol was the result of 4 years of being told to sit down and shut up every time there was a question about the validity of ANY accusation against Trump. The election was just the last straw.
Well, that derives directly from the clever trick of convincing consumers of conasefvarovd media that any information that doesn't come from them that questions anything that does is fake news.

So of course you're always right and we're always wrong.

Before we say a word.
 

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So how many here have attended college, or even high school? Did you ever go to parties? Did you ever go to one of those parties where everything was going along really well? The music was blaring, people were feeling good. There were guys meeting girls and girls meeting guys and everyone was loose and having a great time.

Then a few more people showed up.

This group was a little bit more boisterous and next thing you know there's people doing shots. Then there's some guy being hung upside down over the keg and some chick has her boobs out. That's all good too but you just kind of know....there it goes! A couple of guys just got in a fight and now there's a broken window and the cops are on their way.

That's kind of the dynamic we saw in DC last week. You had a few people that took things a lot farther than need be and a lot that just kind of got caught up in the moment. It wasn't any kind of "planned attack" (outside of maybe a few that really did want to do some damage) and wasn't intended to do anything other than make a political statement. It was over in a few hours and there wasn't any "occupation" or any resurgence of the attacks the next day. There wasn't even a resurgence that night! The "riot" never took to the streets and it damned sure didn't break out across the nation.

The media, left, right and middle, would have you believe that this was the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.
The people who died might disagree with your assessment.
 

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So how many here have attended college, or even high school? Did you ever go to parties? Did you ever go to one of those parties where everything was going along really well? The music was blaring, people were feeling good. There were guys meeting girls and girls meeting guys and everyone was loose and having a great time.

Then a few more people showed up.

This group was a little bit more boisterous and next thing you know there's people doing shots. Then there's some guy being hung upside down over the keg and some chick has her boobs out. That's all good too but you just kind of know....there it goes! A couple of guys just got in a fight and now there's a broken window and the cops are on their way.

That's kind of the dynamic we saw in DC last week. You had a few people that took things a lot farther than need be and a lot that just kind of got caught up in the moment. It wasn't any kind of "planned attack" (outside of maybe a few that really did want to do some damage) and wasn't intended to do anything other than make a political statement. It was over in a few hours and there wasn't any "occupation" or any resurgence of the attacks the next day. There wasn't even a resurgence that night! The "riot" never took to the streets and it damned sure didn't break out across the nation.

The media, left, right and middle, would have you believe that this was the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.

What a Dumb ****ing comparison you are making. The last time I went to a mega party, people weren't chanting that they wanted to find and kill someone. Get the **** outta here with this bullshit.
 

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Just a few good ol boys and gals using the threat of violence to stop the certification of an national election at the Capital. Could happen to anyone.
It's why we have it every election cycle! Clearly this was just a "lively guided tour of the US Capitol".
:)
 

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So how many here have attended college, or even high school? Did you ever go to parties? Did you ever go to one of those parties where everything was going along really well? The music was blaring, people were feeling good. There were guys meeting girls and girls meeting guys and everyone was loose and having a great time.

Then a few more people showed up.

This group was a little bit more boisterous and next thing you know there's people doing shots. Then there's some guy being hung upside down over the keg and some chick has her boobs out. That's all good too but you just kind of know....there it goes! A couple of guys just got in a fight and now there's a broken window and the cops are on their way.

That's kind of the dynamic we saw in DC last week. You had a few people that took things a lot farther than need be and a lot that just kind of got caught up in the moment. It wasn't any kind of "planned attack" (outside of maybe a few that really did want to do some damage) and wasn't intended to do anything other than make a political statement. It was over in a few hours and there wasn't any "occupation" or any resurgence of the attacks the next day. There wasn't even a resurgence that night! The "riot" never took to the streets and it damned sure didn't break out across the nation.

The media, left, right and middle, would have you believe that this was the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.
Lutherf:

Ja, ja! I remember one great party down in the burgerbraukeller in 1923, where a bunch of boisterous veterans arrived and then things got out of hand and there were shots fired and the police were called. Many of the trouble-makers fled before the police arrived or secured the scene, some wounded, but finally the evening settled down and nothing serious ever came out of the boisterousness. Ja, those were good times! Pity things went to shit a decade later.

Cheers, have a nice Bavarian spring-bock and be well.
Evilroddy Godwinsson.
 

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So how many here have attended college, or even high school? Did you ever go to parties? Did you ever go to one of those parties where everything was going along really well? The music was blaring, people were feeling good. There were guys meeting girls and girls meeting guys and everyone was loose and having a great time.

Then a few more people showed up.

This group was a little bit more boisterous and next thing you know there's people doing shots. Then there's some guy being hung upside down over the keg and some chick has her boobs out. That's all good too but you just kind of know....there it goes! A couple of guys just got in a fight and now there's a broken window and the cops are on their way.

That's kind of the dynamic we saw in DC last week. You had a few people that took things a lot farther than need be and a lot that just kind of got caught up in the moment. It wasn't any kind of "planned attack" (outside of maybe a few that really did want to do some damage) and wasn't intended to do anything other than make a political statement. It was over in a few hours and there wasn't any "occupation" or any resurgence of the attacks the next day. There wasn't even a resurgence that night! The "riot" never took to the streets and it damned sure didn't break out across the nation.

The media, left, right and middle, would have you believe that this was the equivalent of the storming of the Bastille but it wasn't. It wasn't even close. It was a good time that got out of hand and that's all it was.
Is this your very best attempt to rationalize treason, sedition, and the attempted murder of elected representatives?

Treason and sedition is a good time to you?
 

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Lutherf:

Ja, ja! I remember one great party down in the burgerbraukeller in 1923, where a bunch of boisterous veterans arrived and then things got out of hand and there were shots fired and the police were called. Many of the trouble-makers fled before the police arrived or secured the scene, some wounded, but finally the evening settled down and nothing serious ever came out of the boisterousness. Ja, those were good times! Pity things went to shit a decade later.

Cheers, have a nice Bavarian spring-bock and be well.
Evilroddy Godwinsson.
The Beer Hall Putsch...good history there. Would you like to explain the differences between that and what happened at the Capitol or should I?
 

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Is this your very best attempt to rationalize treason, sedition, and the attempted murder of elected representatives?

Treason and sedition is a good time to you?
"Attempted murder of elected representatives"? Did you overdose on Kool-Aid?
 

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Whether his accusations are provable or not is kind of a moot point by now but it's perfectly legal for him to complain about that kind of stuff, true or not.
Legal? Sort of. I think he crossed a line and was effectively yelling fire in a crowded theater.
I might remind you that the media as a whole went ape shit over Russiagate for three years and that was proved completely false too yet nobody (other than Trump) has chosen to hold them accountable for all that crap.
Completely unrelated, a common fallacy used to deflect. Also, you are flat out wrong. Trump should have been impeached for his actions with Russia as teh Muller report showed.
 

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Is this your very best attempt to rationalize treason, sedition, and the attempted murder of elected representatives?

Treason and sedition is a good time to you?
People keep banding about the term sedition. Here's the definition of sedition from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. A factious commotion in a state; the stirring up of such a commotion; incitement of discontent against government and disturbance of public tranquillity, as by inflammatory speeches or writings, or acts or language tending to breach of public order: as, to stir up a sedition; a speech or pamphlet, abounding in sedition.
Can we be at least intellectually honest enough to apply this definition to the violent protests of last summer, since we're vehemently applying it to the Capitol riot?? Thanks!!
 

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People keep bantering around the term sedition. Here's the definition of sedition from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. A factious commotion in a state; the stirring up of such a commotion; incitement of discontent against government and disturbance of public tranquillity, as by inflammatory speeches or writings, or acts or language tending to breach of public order: as, to stir up a sedition; a speech or pamphlet, abounding in sedition.
Can we be at least intellectually honest enough to apply this definition to the violent protests of last summer, since we're vehemently applying it to the Capitol riot?? Thanks!!
This is a perfect description of what Trump did on Twitter before he was banned, as well as what he does at his MAGAite Nuremberg-esque rallies.
A factious commotion in a state; the stirring up of such a commotion; incitement of discontent against government and disturbance of public tranquillity, as by inflammatory speeches or writings, or acts or language tending to breach of public order: as, to stir up a sedition; a speech or pamphlet, abounding in sedition.
 

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This is a perfect description of what Trump did on Twitter before he was banned, as well as what he does at his MAGAite Nuremberg rallies.
That wasn't my question, though. I'm asking you of you would apply that definition to the riots of last summer?? Thanks!!
 

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That wasn't my question, though. I'm asking you of you would apply that definition to the riots of last summer?? Thanks!!
They never attempted to overthrow the government by force by kidnapping or killing representatives. By French standards, those protests were quite peaceful. Sedition and reason had no place in those BLM protests.

Most of the violence committed at those rallies was done by right-wing provocateurs, seeking to blame BLM and the Antifa for their own actions in their goal of fomenting civil war.
 

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They never attempted to overthrow the government by force by kidnapping or killing representatives. By French standards, those protests were quite peaceful. Sedition and reason had no place in those BLM protests.

Most of the violence committed at those rallies was done by right-wing provocateurs, seeking to blame BLM and the Antifa for their own actions in their goal of fomenting civil war.
For the sake of argument, let's say you're right, that "most of the violence" was done by right wing. So you acknowledge that there was some left wing violence. So are those left wing individuals guilty of sedition?? Thanks!!
 

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People keep banding about the term sedition. Here's the definition of sedition from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. A factious commotion in a state; the stirring up of such a commotion; incitement of discontent against government and disturbance of public tranquillity, as by inflammatory speeches or writings, or acts or language tending to breach of public order: as, to stir up a sedition; a speech or pamphlet, abounding in sedition.
Can we be at least intellectually honest enough to apply this definition to the violent protests of last summer, since we're vehemently applying it to the Capitol riot?? Thanks!!
There just isn't an equivalence.

BLM did not assault the Capitol attempting to stop the congress from finalizing some action that would end their movement after attending a rally chose because it was on that day, based entirely on a lie told by the holder of said rally, repeated in the most dire language as a threat to the nation itself that could only be stopped if they took individual action to Stop the Steal.

It's just not the same thing. I just heard a senator taking about "burning cities". Hear that one a lot.

But I'm pretty sure no one can provide a link to anything that would represent any city actually burning. Some fires, some buildings destroyed.

But no cities. I don't even think there were any neighborhoods.
 

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For the sake of argument, let's say you're right, that "most of the violence" was done by right wing. So you acknowledge that there was some left wing violence. So are those left wing individuals guilty of sedition?? Thanks!!
For the BLM protests to be sedation then you need to prove that the protesters were seeking to use violence to overthrow the government by force and violence and ignore the will of the people who voted.


TLDR. BLM protests were seeking redress for social grievances such as racism and bigotry of various minorities by following the 1st Amendment's protections of public protests and seeking social change through known and previously accepted avenues.

It is very obvious that you are desperate to rationalize your support of Trump and the Proud Boys by claiming that other people were doing the same so there is nothing wrong with what they did at the Capital last week and what you appear to support.
 
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