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Let's discuss the Resurrection of Jesus

Resurrection

  • The Resurrection IS the most likely theory on why Christianity is the biggest religion

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • The Resurrection IS NOT the most likely theory on why Christianity is the biggest religion

    Votes: 15 75.0%
  • Total voters
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TypicalRussian said:
just because there is no eye witnesses, doesnt mean it didnt happen epseically because there needs to be an explanation of these otherwise weird facts
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What "otherwise weird facts?"
 
TypicalRussian said:
What do you guys think?
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Plenty of other religions have the same mythical features as Christianity. That includes demigods (e.g. Zeus fathered several children with mortal women) and rising from the dead (Horus; Asclepius was rumored to have brought people back from the dead; Apollonius of Tyana had nearly the same bio as Jesus, etc).

You also have to explain why Islam has over 1.6 billion adherents; why there are over 1.1 billion Hindus; 506 million Buddhists, and so on. I'd assume that at many points in the past, there were probably more Muslims and/or Hindus than Christians.

I'm sure Jesus' bio, including the myth of the resurrection is part of the appeal. The message is also a part of it; so are all sorts of quirks of history.

You do know that only 1/3 of the world is Christian, right?
 
soylentgreen said:
Tosca1 of course. The real question for me is what were they actually viewing on various occasions. Was the crucifixion staged a few times in various places?
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"Visits from the dead" are actually a common hallucination:

www.scientificamerican.com

Ghost Stories: Visits from the Deceased

After a loved one dies, most people see ghosts
www.scientificamerican.com www.scientificamerican.com

I wouldn't be too surprised if a few people believed they saw Jesus after he died.

And, of course, just because it was written in a book -- based on decades of oral traditions, of course -- that hardly means it was true. In fact, it's pretty routine to embellish such tales.
 
Tlrmln said:
By your standard, Islam would also have to be true. Why aren't you a Muslim. God changed his mind once, why not twice?
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:rolleyes:

How so?
explain that. And, don't give any silly, immature and ignorant arguments either!
 
TypicalRussian said:
just because there is no eye witnesses, doesnt mean it didnt happen epseically because there needs to be an explanation of these otherwise weird facts
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True. What it does mean though is that you have no eyewitnesses.

And I have provided an alternative explanation that makes far more sense than a resurrection and explains the disappearance of the body by terms that are credible. Cannibalism is proven to have happened. Resurrections, not so much.
 
soylentgreen said:
There is no proof of what happened to jesus's body assuming the myth actually existed.
All you have is a book of fairy tales about events that never actually happened telling you what happened.

The theory of cannibalism is even more plausible than an actual dead person coming back to life as there is far more evidence for cannibalism than there is for ressurrection.
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:rolleyes:

No. The theory of evidence is ridiculous - and you accept it without any evidence at all, and yet you automatically reject what's been witnessed by 500 people, and proven to be logically sound!
 
tosca1 said:
And, don't give any silly, immature and ignorant arguments either!
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Why not? Do you insist on maintaining a monopoly over silly, immature, and ignorant arguments?
 
So faith is the key, you have it or you don't.
 
tosca1 said:
:rolleyes:

No. The theory of evidence is ridiculous - and you accept it without any evidence at all, and yet you automatically reject what's been witnessed by 500 people, and proven to be logically sound!
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There was not 500 witnesses. You need to talk to typical russian who disagrees with you. And as it is his thread and he says there were no witnesses then you need to talk to him about changing his OP.
 
TypicalRussian said:
EXACTLY! there are no other explanations, this miracle has the most evidence out of any of them
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....and, let's not forget how many investigative works had proven, and in some cases had even managed to convert atheists.
There's Frank Morrison (a naturalist), author of Who Moved The Stone as an example.
 
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Here:

The Skeptics' Evidence


Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history.


Dr. Benjamin Gilbert-West and Lord Littleton were from Cambridge. So fed up with Christianity they wanted to destroy it, they took a leave of absence to study and write a book to refute both the resurrection and the conversion of Saul of Tarsus. As a result of their study, they too became ardent believers and wrote: "Reject not, until you have examined the evidence."


Dr. Frank Morrison, a lawyer and engineer, was brought up in a rationalistic background. He liked Jesus, but thought the resurrection was a myth that was tacked on. He, too, wanted to write a book to refute it, but in the process of writing, he like the others committed his life to Christ. His findings are in the book "Who Moved the Stone"?

Resurrection: Vicious Hoax or Fantastic Fact?

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tosca1 said:
Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history.
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From Wikipedia:

"Several evangelical books and websites claim that Greenleaf was an atheist who set out to disprove the Gospels, but instead the evidence for Jesus' resurrection convinced him to become a Christian. Greenleaf was a devout evangelical Episcopalian, and no evidence exists that he ever doubted the truth of the Gospels."
 
soylentgreen said:
We seem to have a difference of opinion here.
From tosca1:

And there were many witnesses, about 500 people on various occasions. Imagine all those witnesses telling others of what they saw!

And then from typical russian:
Because there are no eyewitnesses of the event, to prove the resurrection,

One of these two must be a lie. Can you tell which one is telling the lie?

And looking at tosca1's usual nonsense we see that he seems to believe that there were " various occasions. " Could it be in tosca's imagination that the crucifixion happened a few times in a few places
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He must mean......... no LIVING eyewitnesses!

THINK!

Surely no Christian will say that there were no eyewitnesses to the event when there were the Apostles who wrote about the Resurrection!

Hello? Yooohoooo? If you know anything at all about the Bible, you'd know that the Apostles had witnessed the risen Christ!
You're just showing your ignorance of the Scriptures.

Hahahaha, will we be discussing this now - let alone know about the Resurrection - if Apostles didn't write about it?
You guys are so silly. What you're doing is called, "grabbing at straws!" I bet you're all looking for any typos to latch on! :ROFLMAO:
 
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tosca1 said:
....and, let's not forget how many investigative works had proven, and in some cases had even managed to convert atheists.
There's Frank Morrison (a naturalist), author of Who Moved The Stone as an example.
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yeah
 
soylentgreen said:
True. What it does mean though is that you have no eyewitnesses.

And I have provided an alternative explanation that makes far more sense than a resurrection and explains the disappearance of the body by terms that are credible. Cannibalism is proven to have happened. Resurrections, not so much.
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cannablism? thats a far out theory, what is your proof
 
Visbek said:
Plenty of other religions have the same mythical features as Christianity. That includes demigods (e.g. Zeus fathered several children with mortal women) and rising from the dead (Horus; Asclepius was rumored to have brought people back from the dead; Apollonius of Tyana had nearly the same bio as Jesus, etc).

You also have to explain why Islam has over 1.6 billion adherents; why there are over 1.1 billion Hindus; 506 million Buddhists, and so on. I'd assume that at many points in the past, there were probably more Muslims and/or Hindus than Christians.

I'm sure Jesus' bio, including the myth of the resurrection is part of the appeal. The message is also a part of it; so are all sorts of quirks of history.

You do know that only 1/3 of the world is Christian, right?
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Yes i am aware of that

first of all buddhism is only a philosphipy and islam accpets that Jesus story was true

Hinduism reflects cultures, there are hundred of different gods and is mostly philopsipical

whats next?
 
TypicalRussian said:
Yes i am aware of that

first of all buddhism is only a philosphipy and islam accpets that Jesus story was true

Hinduism reflects cultures, there are hundred of different gods and is mostly philopsipical

whats next?
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Buddhism is the world's fourth-largest religion with over 520 million followers, or over 7% of the global population, known as Buddhists. Buddhism encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to the Buddha and resulting interpreted philosophies. Wikipedia
 
ASHES said:
Buddhism is the world's fourth-largest religion with over 520 million followers, or over 7% of the global population, known as Buddhists. Buddhism encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to the Buddha and resulting interpreted philosophies. Wikipedia
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TypicalRussian said:
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Buddhism encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to the Buddha and resulting interpreted philosophies.

Christianity encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to Jesus and resulting interpreted philosophies.

Islam encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to Mohammed and resulting interpreted philosophies.



You know, religion.
 
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