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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders- he is an atheistCan you support that claim with a credible, factual link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders- he is an atheistCan you support that claim with a credible, factual link?
just because there is no eye witnesses, doesnt mean it didnt happen epseically because there needs to be an explanation of these otherwise weird facts
Plenty of other religions have the same mythical features as Christianity. That includes demigods (e.g. Zeus fathered several children with mortal women) and rising from the dead (Horus; Asclepius was rumored to have brought people back from the dead; Apollonius of Tyana had nearly the same bio as Jesus, etc).What do you guys think?
One guy does not constitute a 'majority', does it?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders- he is an atheist
"Visits from the dead" are actually a common hallucination:Tosca1 of course. The real question for me is what were they actually viewing on various occasions. Was the crucifixion staged a few times in various places?
By your standard, Islam would also have to be true. Why aren't you a Muslim. God changed his mind once, why not twice?
True. What it does mean though is that you have no eyewitnesses.just because there is no eye witnesses, doesnt mean it didnt happen epseically because there needs to be an explanation of these otherwise weird facts
There is no proof of what happened to jesus's body assuming the myth actually existed.
All you have is a book of fairy tales about events that never actually happened telling you what happened.
The theory of cannibalism is even more plausible than an actual dead person coming back to life as there is far more evidence for cannibalism than there is for ressurrection.
And, don't give any silly, immature and ignorant arguments either!
There was not 500 witnesses. You need to talk to typical russian who disagrees with you. And as it is his thread and he says there were no witnesses then you need to talk to him about changing his OP.
No. The theory of evidence is ridiculous - and you accept it without any evidence at all, and yet you automatically reject what's been witnessed by 500 people, and proven to be logically sound!
EXACTLY! there are no other explanations, this miracle has the most evidence out of any of them
Dr. Simon Greenleaf was a skeptic from Harvard law school who wrote three volumes on the laws of legal evidence, and mocked Christians in his law classes. But he was challenged by Christian students to apply his own book to the resurrection of Jesus. Taking the challenge, he concluded that the evidence was so convincing, he became a believer. He later wrote, "The resurrection of Jesus is one of the best established facts of history.
We seem to have a difference of opinion here.
From tosca1:
And there were many witnesses, about 500 people on various occasions. Imagine all those witnesses telling others of what they saw!
And then from typical russian:
Because there are no eyewitnesses of the event, to prove the resurrection,
One of these two must be a lie. Can you tell which one is telling the lie?
And looking at tosca1's usual nonsense we see that he seems to believe that there were " various occasions. " Could it be in tosca's imagination that the crucifixion happened a few times in a few places
yeah....and, let's not forget how many investigative works had proven, and in some cases had even managed to convert atheists.
There's Frank Morrison (a naturalist), author of Who Moved The Stone as an example.
cannablism? thats a far out theory, what is your proofTrue. What it does mean though is that you have no eyewitnesses.
And I have provided an alternative explanation that makes far more sense than a resurrection and explains the disappearance of the body by terms that are credible. Cannibalism is proven to have happened. Resurrections, not so much.
he is the most well known atheist scholar on thisOne guy does not constitute a 'majority', does it?
Yes i am aware of thatPlenty of other religions have the same mythical features as Christianity. That includes demigods (e.g. Zeus fathered several children with mortal women) and rising from the dead (Horus; Asclepius was rumored to have brought people back from the dead; Apollonius of Tyana had nearly the same bio as Jesus, etc).
You also have to explain why Islam has over 1.6 billion adherents; why there are over 1.1 billion Hindus; 506 million Buddhists, and so on. I'd assume that at many points in the past, there were probably more Muslims and/or Hindus than Christians.
I'm sure Jesus' bio, including the myth of the resurrection is part of the appeal. The message is also a part of it; so are all sorts of quirks of history.
You do know that only 1/3 of the world is Christian, right?
why would paul convert to christianity after being against it?What "otherwise weird facts?"
Buddhism is the world's fourth-largest religion with over 520 million followers, or over 7% of the global population, known as Buddhists. Buddhism encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to the Buddha and resulting interpreted philosophies. WikipediaYes i am aware of that
first of all buddhism is only a philosphipy and islam accpets that Jesus story was true
Hinduism reflects cultures, there are hundred of different gods and is mostly philopsipical
whats next?
rightBuddhism is the world's fourth-largest religion with over 520 million followers, or over 7% of the global population, known as Buddhists. Buddhism encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to the Buddha and resulting interpreted philosophies. Wikipedia
theres evidence in the faithSo faith is the key, you have it or you don't.
That doesn't make him a 'majority' though, does it?he is the most well known atheist scholar on this
Buddhism encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and spiritual practices largely based on original teachings attributed to the Buddha and resulting interpreted philosophies.right