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Let's cut to the chase, if trump runs again are you going to vote for him?

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Who's gonna end them. Nothing has been brought up Since McCain/Feingold. 20 yrs ago?
6-3 conservative majority on USSC, who is going to over turn that?

It's up to the voters to make changes. The only changes congress makes benefits congress.
Much easier to end that kind of money then to alter the very nature of our system. As you suggest.
 

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Much easier to end that kind of money then to alter the very nature of our system. As you suggest.
How and who will go after that money?
Who is a politician pushing it.

Voting is not changing the nature of our system. It's using the system.
 

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If you don't vote for your choices, you have no basis in fact to your outcome. You use the system and just bitch about it. Sure I wish there was a great group stepping in to offices to offer great choices. Obviously Joe and Bernie are PITA's just like The Donald and his Cronnies are PITA's Difference is they try to use the law to change stuff. The Donald used violence. U see no Gentleman there just a PIG ! Sure hope great men run for re-election. Hope thes Old Duffers retire. There must be 10,000 Country wide in public office clogging the drain of the cess pool.
 

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How and who will go after that money?
Who is a politician pushing it.

Voting is not changing the nature of our system. It's using the system.
The democrats are pushing it.

Vote Democrat.
 

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Biden is an old style moderate democrat.
sorry but, BS.. Biden is a pandering blithering failure of a president who is willing to go full woke progressive for votes.

moderate conservatives are more like old style democrats than today's Democratic party.
 

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sorry but, BS.. Biden is a pandering blithering failure of a president who is willing to go full woke progressive for votes.

moderate conservatives are more like old style democrats than today's Democratic party.
Nah, Biden is an old style moderate democrat.

Just a fact.

You probably watch Fox News.

They lie to you and manipulate you.
 

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Nah, Biden is an old style moderate democrat.

Just a fact.

You probably watch Fox News.

They lie to you and manipulate you.
what I watch has nothing to do with it.

the fact is you either do these things or you are wrong and too progressive:

1) you support LEGAL Immigration only according to our laws and you actually work to come up with a system to work with legal immigrants and make illegal immigrants BECOME legal immigrants if they want access to our system.
2) you support equality under the law for ALL races, not equity and you enforce that. IF one race is being singled out too much due to actual bad policing then you deal with that by making proper, MEASURED changes in the way your police are trained to work with possible perpetrators... ALL perpetrators. you do not endorse rioting or looting NO MATTER the cause.
3) you do not try to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people for a power kick to make yourself feel good because in your own mind you are intellectually superior to anyone who disagrees and their "flyover country" opinions should not count anyway.
 

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The Donald is so screwed himself and his Cronies !
 

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Biden tried to change the rules of the Senate filibuster. Thas shooting words when it comes to the most powerful Group of 100 men in the world. Cowards give in, the brave stand strong about their rights to stand and peacefully talk until people start to listen. If The Donald and his group had done that we would not be putting those cronies into prison next. The Donald had his say, his vote, he lost, because of what he did after that , good riddance to his bunch ! South Carolina, Texas Senators come to mind. Both are POC. We all know it !
 

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what I watch has nothing to do with it.

the fact is you either do these things or you are wrong and too progressive:

1) you support LEGAL Immigration only according to our laws and you actually work to come up with a system to work with legal immigrants and make illegal immigrants BECOME legal immigrants if they want access to our system.
2) you support equality under the law for ALL races, not equity and you enforce that. IF one race is being singled out too much due to actual bad policing then you deal with that by making proper, MEASURED changes in the way your police are trained to work with possible perpetrators... ALL perpetrators. you do not endorse rioting or looting NO MATTER the cause.
3) you do not try to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people for a power kick to make yourself feel good because in your own mind you are intellectually superior to anyone who disagrees and their "flyover country" opinions should not count anyway.
The immigration issue goes back to Reagan and before.
What laws have we done then and since then to make illegals become legal? Wasn't DACA a step in that direction?

Reagan granted amnesty and the GOP went nuts over it.
There's no real push to make illegals legal.
And both parties know that migrant workers are needed to keep parts of our economy from collapse, so they dont enforce our illegal immigration laws.
If they did, they'd be going after businesses that hire illegals much harder and fining them and deporting those caught working there. None of that happens but the occasional headline it's being done so it looks like the GOP is doing something. But it's dog and pony.

Subvert rights of the people? Like trying to stop the democratic election process to select the next POTUS?
It doesn't get any more unconstitutional than that.
 

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Biden tried to change the rules of the Senate filibuster. Thas shooting words when it comes to the most powerful Group of 100 men in the world. Cowards give in, the brave stand strong about their rights to stand and peacefully talk until people start to listen. If The Donald and his group had done that we would not be putting those cronies into prison next. The Donald had his say, his vote, he lost, because of what he did after that , good riddance to his bunch ! South Carolina, Texas Senators come to mind. Both are POC. We all know it !
The rules should be changed. Make the opposing party actually filibuster instead of writing a letter saying I want to filibuster.
Get on the floor and make your points to why.
 

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The democrats have been lurching off a cliiff since 1992. They are close to the point of no return. Their only chance to recover would be taking the party back to the JFK era. I don't see that happening.

So before the time when the Dixiecrats (southern racists) left the party... Yeah, I'm sure that aligns with your thinking.
 

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So before the time when the Dixiecrats (southern racists) left the party... Yeah, I'm sure that aligns with your thinking.
And you think most if not all of those Dixiecrats went to the republican party? If so, you are ignorant of the history. Only three went to the GOP, the rest, around 15 went to the democrat party. The most notable was Senator Robert (sheets) Byrd, a former member of the KKK. He held the titles: Grand Cyclops and Kleagle. Both Hillary Clinton and Biden claimed him as their mentor.
 

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And you think most if not all of those Dixiecrats went to the republican party? If so, you are ignorant of the history. Only three went to the GOP, the rest, around 15 went to the democrat party.

Oh, you're so cute. There were only 18 Dixiecrats...

The most notable was Senator Robert (sheets) Byrd, a former member of the KKK. He held the titles: Grand Cyclops and Kleagle. Both Hillary Clinton and Biden claimed him as their mentor.

Yes, yes...and he had a stellar voting record for siding with AA causes. You believe that no one can ever change. No one can ever renounce their previous beliefs (as he did) and become a real champion for the other side.

BTW, what color is the sky in your world?
 

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Oh, you're so cute. There were only 18 Dixiecrats...



Yes, yes...and he had a stellar voting record for siding with AA causes. You believe that no one can ever change. No one can ever renounce their previous beliefs (as he did) and become a real champion for the other side.

BTW, what color is the sky in your world?
Here is the history for you:

 

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what I watch has nothing to do with it.

the fact is you either do these things or you are wrong and too progressive:

1) you support LEGAL Immigration only according to our laws and you actually work to come up with a system to work with legal immigrants and make illegal immigrants BECOME legal immigrants if they want access to our system.
2) you support equality under the law for ALL races, not equity and you enforce that. IF one race is being singled out too much due to actual bad policing then you deal with that by making proper, MEASURED changes in the way your police are trained to work with possible perpetrators... ALL perpetrators. you do not endorse rioting or looting NO MATTER the cause.
3) you do not try to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people for a power kick to make yourself feel good because in your own mind you are intellectually superior to anyone who disagrees and their "flyover country" opinions should not count anyway.
Our laws do not allow illegal 8mmigrants to be one legal immigrants.

Biden and the democrats support law changes to make that possible.

Republicans block those changes.

Get your facts straight.
 

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Here is the history for you:


A conservative crank. No thanks. I prefer history to fiction.
 

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A conservative crank. No thanks. I prefer history to fiction.

That link is the exact history, You cannot assume otherwise, just because the truth does not fit your narrative. Disprove it if you can.
 

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That link is the exact history, You cannot assume otherwise, just because the truth does not fit your narrative. Disprove it if you can.


/shrug
 

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