Let’s get real here. If Trump was prez, would Putin have invaded Ukraine?

[Atreus21]

Who knows, honestly.

 

[j brown's body]

Who knows, honestly.

 

[americanwoman]

Let’s dispense with all the leftist propaganda, it obviously fake. Like the Russia hoax and the laptop.
The reality? The bad Orange man could have stopped the Ukraine thing. How do I know?
He was skilled in the cutthroat world of business.
He would have made Putin an “offer he couldn’t refuse”.
Joe? He could print more money, make a teleprompter speech and go to sleep. No offers from Joe. He’s too goddam stupid and clueless.

Just like the offer Putin couldn't refuse when Trump took American Intelligence over Putin's word about meddling in our elections? Oh, wait - that was Trump getting played in Helsinki!

 

[Slartibartfast]

Let’s dispense with all the leftist propaganda, it obviously fake. Like the Russia hoax and the laptop.
The reality? The bad Orange man could have stopped the Ukraine thing. How do I know?
He was skilled in the cutthroat world of business.
He would have made Putin an “offer he couldn’t refuse”.
Joe? He could print more money, make a teleprompter speech and go to sleep. No offers from Joe. He’s too goddam stupid and clueless.

Yes and Trump would have tried to gaslight the US into supporting Russia.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

If Trump was president there would be an East Germany and East Berlin again...

 

[OrphanSlug]

Who knows, honestly.

And that is the ultimate point of this thread, now isn't it?

There is no honesty on what Trump would or would not have done as it is all speculation gift wrapped in partisanship, this thread is not even unique or original as we've seen several of these now coming from the right mouthing off about Trump would have done this or that.

It is all nonsense.

 

[Luckyone]

And that is the ultimate point of this thread, now isn't it?

There is no honesty on what Trump would or would not have done as it is all speculation gift wrapped in partisanship, this thread is not even unique or original as we've seen several of these now coming from the right mouthing off about Trump would have done this or that.

It is all nonsense.

No, it is not nonsense.

Nothing but death and taxes is guaranteed in life. Everything else is speculation. Nonetheless, speculation is based on established and known patterns and therefore gives probability-of-occurring numbers.

Based on Trump's record of favoring Putin and Russia it can be established that Trump would likely have helped (or at least not done anything to punish) Putin for his invasion of Ukraine.

 

[less right]

Let’s get real here. If Trump was prez...​

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Let's not get real here...

 

[jnug]

I am NO fan of Putin. But if Trump was President Ukraine would NOT have happened. WHY? Putin knows Trump was not a NWO member. Last week Putin mentioned, when he stated about world order. If you think for one minute. Russia, China, Iran and North Korea want to be part of the NWO. I have a bridge to sell you. Also, in another article I read. It mentioned. That the war in Ukraine disrupted Bill Gates NWO plan. Covid was and is a plan of the NWO. It is Bill Gates owned lab in Wuhan China that was creating virus mutations.

Correct...Putin with Trump as his LAPDOG protecting his flank would have calculated that he could have gotten what he wanted by less violent means than an actual invasion of Ukraine. Now you can ask yourself if that would have produced a better outcome for America or for the world at large. I have already determined that IT WOULD NOT have been better for either America or the world at large to have an American President play LAPDOG to MASS MURDERER Putin.

Trump for one thing would have continued to stir the pot over essentially cultural nonsense both domestically and internationally which is exactly what Putin would want him to do. Never mind the rest of the underhanded dirty dealing Trump would have done for Putin below the surface.

Trump spent his entire first term ridding himself of aides that did not simply do his bidding leaving nothing more than yes men and useful idiots. By a second term there would not have been the saving grace that backpedaling Republicans refer to constantly. Those being the Administration officials referred to by Trumphumpers as .........RINO's.

So, IMO Putin would more likely not have invaded Ukraine if Trump was still President in a second term but for all the wrong reasons and to the great detriment of America and the world in general.

One benefit to Americans that should be immediately obvious.......is the benefit too seeing with their own eyes what fighting for freedom actually looks like. Its not defalcating in the Capital building while shouting 1776. Its not intimidating school board members. Its not whining about the horrors of wearing a surgical mask. Its not any of that and those that have indulged themselves in those ways in the name of Patriotism of all things should be embarrassed by watching a true fight for freedom unfold before their very eyes. Unfortunately, IMO a good many of them are incapable of thinking beyond the morning coffee choice.

 

[Grandpappy]

You leftists have to lose the “Trump was a Russian asset” talking point. It’s just not accurate. Just another fake accusation, just like the hundreds of other lies.
Trump used compliments to dictators as a negotiation tactic. Your boy Joe has no tactics. He can’t even remember those dictator’s names.

And just FYI, Trump Inc. was worth about 9.5 Billion in 2015.

 

[Luckyone]

You leftists have to lose the “Trump was a Russian asset” talking point. It’s just not accurate. Just another fake accusation, just like the hundreds of other lies.
Trump used compliments to dictators as a negotiation tactic. Your boy Joe has no tactics. He can’t even remember those dictator’s names.

And just FYI, Trump Inc. was worth about 9.5 Billion in 2015.

grandpappy, you just have no common sense or even desire to see what is real and what is fantasy.

Everyone that has eyes and half a brain can plainly see that Trump has bent over backward to compliment and help Putin throughout the years. This is not fake news by the left, it is data that is plainly available to all.

To begin with and as early at 2000, it was the Russian backed bank (Deutsche Bank) that loaned him money to get out of the $1.1 billion dollar personal debt that Trump had in 1999. No other bank would loan him a penny. Then in 2001, Trump got into an official association with the Bayrock Group, which was backed and funded by the Russian Mafia. That association lasted 7 years.

These are FACTS that you cannot say are fake news. This is just Data.

Since then, I can show you links to compilations of times where Trump supported, lauded, and helped Russia, starting with the fact that Putin wanted to have a Miss Universe in Moscow and Trump gave it to him when he asked.

If you cannot see these facts staring you in the face, then you are a lost soul that has been brainwashed and that facts and data are strangers to you.

Wake up and see what reality is. Stop living in the fantasy world you live in.

 

[Tigerace117]

Let’s dispense with all the leftist propaganda, it obviously fake. Like the Russia hoax and the laptop.
The reality? The bad Orange man could have stopped the Ukraine thing. How do I know?
He was skilled in the cutthroat world of business.
He would have made Putin an “offer he couldn’t refuse”.
Joe? He could print more money, make a teleprompter speech and go to sleep. No offers from Joe. He’s too goddam stupid and clueless.

The reality is that no amount of vapid fantasizing would have stopped Putin from invading.

 

[Questerr]

Let’s dispense with all the leftist propaganda, it obviously fake. Like the Russia hoax and the laptop.
The reality? The bad Orange man could have stopped the Ukraine thing. How do I know?
He was skilled in the cutthroat world of business.
He would have made Putin an “offer he couldn’t refuse”.
Joe? He could print more money, make a teleprompter speech and go to sleep. No offers from Joe. He’s too goddam stupid and clueless.

He wouldn’t need to. Trump would have pulled a Neville Chamberlain and given Putin everything he wanted. He would have stated that the US no longer regards the Donbass as Ukrainian territory and that the US would stop providing arms to Ukraine immediately.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Difficult to imagine how anyone could claim with a straight face what a great negotiator Trump is. How many businesses did he bankrupt? How did that deal with Iran go? Or North Korea? Mexico pay for that wall yet?

 

[Questerr]

Difficult to imagine how anyone could claim with a straight face what a great negotiator Trump is. How many businesses did he bankrupt? How did that deal with Iran go? Or North Korea? Mexico pay for that wall yet?

But he’s really good at negotiating not having to pay his subcontractors.

 

[rickc]

Let’s dispense with all the leftist propaganda, it obviously fake. Like the Russia hoax and the laptop.
The reality? The bad Orange man could have stopped the Ukraine thing. How do I know?
He was skilled in the cutthroat world of business.
He would have made Putin an “offer he couldn’t refuse”.
Joe? He could print more money, make a teleprompter speech and go to sleep. No offers from Joe. He’s too goddam stupid and clueless.

Trump and Putin were co conspirators in Putin's plans for Ukraine. Trump tried to cut of the military equipment we were supplying then. Did his dead level best to get us out of NATO.

With another term he would have handed Ucraine to Putin on a silver platter.

Probably get a Trump tower in Moscow for his future exile out of the deal.

 

[Buckeyes85]

But he’s really good at negotiating not having to pay his subcontractors.

I get your point, but 4,600 lawsuits later suggests otherwise. Difficult to imagine how "the little guys" could support someone who has spent his life screwing over the little guys.

 

[Grand Mal]

Let’s dispense with all the leftist propaganda, it obviously fake. Like the Russia hoax and the laptop.
The reality? The bad Orange man could have stopped the Ukraine thing. How do I know?
He was skilled in the cutthroat world of business.
He would have made Putin an “offer he couldn’t refuse”.
Joe? He could print more money, make a teleprompter speech and go to sleep. No offers from Joe. He’s too goddam stupid and clueless.

Bullshit.
If Trump were still President Putin would still sit on his hands and watch as Trump continued to undermine NATO, alienate allies and eventually pull America out of the alliance. As it is Putin has acted out of fear and concocted an excuse to invade (which Trump describes as genius) to try to control the buffer between Europe and the Motherland that Russian leaders have understood since Napoleon to be their best protection.
When Trump was Pres, Putin had nothing to fear. As it is Putin has made the mistake that might bring him down and It's happening on Biden's watch. Just like the post-pandemic boom that's starting to happen, Biden will get the credit whether he deserves it or not.
Sucks to be a Trumpist, huh.

 

[VanceMack]

Trump WAS president. For 4 years. DID Putin invade Ukraine during the Trump presidency?

The what ifs are silly when we have the knowns. Putin acted because he knew Biden is a bitch.

 

[Questerr]

Trump WAS president. For 4 years. DID Putin invade Ukraine during the Trump presidency?

The what ifs are silly when we have the knowns. Putin acted because he knew Biden is a bitch.

Yes, Putin did. The “little green men” fighting in the Donbass were Russian soldiers.

 

[Grandpappy]

Leftists, as more and more of your treasured Trump hating propaganda is exposed as BS, instead of reacting accordingly, you only double down on the falsehoods and twisted words.
Well, that's human nature. I suppose.

 

[jnug]

Leftists, as more and more of your treasured Trump hating propaganda is exposed as BS, instead of reacting accordingly, you only double down on the falsehoods and twisted words.
Well, that's human nature. I suppose.

It would help if you knew AND WE KNEW who the hell you were talking about and what the hell you were talking about.

 

[Buckeyes85]

It would help if you knew AND WE KNEW who the hell you were talking about and what the hell you were talking about.

Well that's nitpicking, isn't it?

 

[Grand Mal]

Leftists, as more and more of your treasured Trump hating propaganda is exposed as BS, instead of reacting accordingly, you only double down on the falsehoods and twisted words.
Well, that's human nature. I suppose.

Putin was sitting pretty with Trump in the White House. Sitting in the catbird seat. Trump was undermining NATO, isolating the US and pissing off pretty much the whole western world by sucking up to despots and dictators, Putin included.
Putin screwed up and his screw-up might bring him down and Biden will get the credit. That's gotta sting.

 

[Grandpappy]

It would help if you knew AND WE KNEW who the hell you were talking about and what the hell you were talking about.

I'm talking about lies and half truths used to make Trump look bad.
From the Russia hoax to the media lies to the fake impeachments and fake insider books to the whole stinking mess of lies the whole four years of Trump.
If you follow the money, there was really only one reason for it.
The investment and actual dependence on Chinese manufacturing.
Trump made multiple statements about ending it. The first president to actually do anything about it.
You leftists bought into the tribalism and believed everything the globalists put out through the corporate media and talking heads.
Suckers.