Leftists chant death to America

[Guyzilla]

FACT IS, Trump is an instigator. EVERY person knows this. The right wing know this, and LOVE IT. The left know this, and despise Trump for it. The middle, see Trump as provocative.

 

[lwf]

Wha? You’re half right. The Democratic party is now the mainstream for the country. The GOP *is* the extreme radical proposition in the country.

It is not the mainstream to ban abortion.

It is not the mainstream to call Nazis very fine people.

It is not the mainstream to call our soldiers losers and suckers.

It is not the mainstream to insist Covid is under control and the economy is roaring back.

“Both Sides-ism” is maybe the most radical and dangerous ideology facing the country today.

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Just as some Democrats are Socialists, Marxists, Antifa, criminal looters and rioters, etc. and some are not, so too some Republicans are white supremacists, neo-Nazis, misogynists, xeno-islamo-and-homophobes, and some are not.

When we are talking about neo-Nazi protests with protesters chanting "white power" and "Jews will not replace" us vs. racial justice protesters, it is not the case that there are good people on both sides. There may be bad people on both sides, but the racial justice protesters are the only place where one will find the good people in that scenario.

When we are talking about criminal rioters and looters who are taking advantage of the distraction of racial justice protests to enrich themselves at the expense of innocent business owners vs. the police, it is not the case that there are good people on both sides. There may be bad people on both sides. but the police are the only place you will find good people in that scenario.

When we are talking about Democrats vs. Republicans, there most certainly are good people on both sides. Quite a lot of them in fact. Sadly, they tend to be drowned out by the bad people. On both sides.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Just as some Democrats are Socialists, Marxists, Antifa, criminal looters and rioters, etc. and some are not, so too some Republicans are white supremacists, neo-Nazis, misogynists, xeno-islamo-and-homophobes, and some are not.

When we are talking about neo-Nazi protests with protesters chanting "white power" and "Jews will not replace" us vs. racial justice protesters, it is not the case that there are good people on both sides. There may be bad people on both sides, but the racial justice protesters are the only place where one will find the good people in that scenario.

When we are talking about criminal rioters and looters who are taking advantage of the distraction of racial justice protests to enrich themselves at the expense of innocent business owners vs. the police, it is not the case that there are good people on both sides. There may be bad people on both sides. but the police are the only place you will find good people in that scenario.

When we are talking about Democrats vs. Republicans, there most certainly are good people on both sides. Quite a lot of them in fact. Sadly, they tend to be drowned out by the bad people. On both sides.

The GOP standard bearer has repeatedly found common cause and embraced white nationalism. He couldn’t even bring himself to condemn a mass shooter.

Both Sides-ism is not only dangerous, but the flabbiest of arguments. It’s just lazy. But what makes it dangerous is that “Both sides” arguments wind up helping the lesser of the two of those sides by normalizing them.


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[lwf]

The GOP standard bearer has repeatedly found common cause and embraced white nationalism. He couldn’t even bring himself to condemn a mass shooter.

Both Sides-ism is not only dangerous, but the flabbiest of arguments. It’s just lazy. But what makes it dangerous is that “Both sides” arguments wind up helping the lesser of the two of those sides by normalizing them.

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I would argue that the alternative is to embrace prejudice and demonize people you've never met based solely on the color of their hat.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I would argue that the alternative is to embrace prejudice and demonize people you've never met based solely on the color of their hat.

The people who choose to wear the symbol of the standard bearer who has embraced white nationalism are demonizing themselves by declaring to everyone that’s where their support goes.


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[lwf]

The people who choose to wear the symbol of the standard bearer who has embraced white nationalism are demonizing themselves by declaring to everyone that’s where their support goes.

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There's some truth to this. I've lost count of the number of lines Donald Trump has crossed, and to explicitly support him in light of all this is to implicitly support the crossing of those lines. That said, the vast majority of Trump supporting Republican voters are more ignorant than they are evil. Most I would wager either don't follow current events, or only get their information from GOP propaganda. I would say that makes them Trump's victims moreso than his enablers. Of those Republicans that are aware of current events and know the difference between propaganda and straightforward reporting on Trump's words and behavior, the number of Lincoln-Project-style Republicans who are publicly abandoning him is no longer insignificant, and those privately abandoning him are probably exponentially greater. I suspect that the good Republicans will be the ones to deliver Trump a loss this November.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

There's some truth to this. I've lost count of the number of lines Donald Trump has crossed, and to explicitly support him in light of all this is to implicitly support the crossing of those lines. That said, the vast majority of Trump supporting Republican voters are more ignorant than they are evil. Most I would wager either don't follow current events, or only get their information from GOP propaganda. I would say that makes them Trump's victims moreso than his enablers. Of those Republicans that are aware of current events and know the difference between propaganda and straightforward reporting on Trump's words and behavior, the number of Lincoln-Project-style Republicans who are publicly abandoning him is no longer insignificant, and those privately abandoning him are probably exponentially greater. I suspect that the good Republicans will be the ones to deliver Trump a loss this November.

Republican votes aren’t necessary to defeat Donald Trump, and his base remains mostly intact. While he lies about the actual number, his popularity within the party is dominant.

I’d like to believe what you’re saying. But as someone who has plenty of family and friends who are Trump folks, I just don’t agree either anecdotally nor using data that even a majority modern day Republicans aren’t in lockstep with Trump.


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[lwf]

Republican votes aren’t necessary to defeat Donald Trump, and his base remains mostly intact. While he lies about the actual number, his popularity within the party is dominant.

I’d like to believe what you’re saying. But as someone who has plenty of family and friends who are Trump folks, I just don’t agree either anecdotally nor using data that even a majority modern day Republicans aren’t in lockstep with Trump.


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Majority? Yes. But not all. And that majority is smaller than it was in 2016. And you are correct that even if they all were in lockstep, it would likely still not be enough to get him reelected if enough Independents are fed up with his administration, and I believe they are.

But in my experience, Trump supporters all have one thing in common: Fear. Specifically: The fear of losing their culture. They believe that progressive ideas will leave no room for the comforts of tradition that shelter them from the unknowns of people who look and behave differently than they do. Some rebel against this fear more fiercely than others and embrace the appearance of power that hatred brings them. But hatred is not power. It is, in fact, an acknowledgement of weakness. The hatred of progressive ideas is an acknowledgment that there is nothing one can do to stop them. So they lash out, all the while dreading the inevitable cultural shift that threatens to marginalize them. Surely progressives can relate to this fear, especially given the events of last four years.

IMHO, the most efficient way to quickly institute wiser, more progressive ideals in your country while mitigating the damage that a dwindling, frightened, conservative culture can do to resist said progress is to undermine their faith that progressive ideas are something to be afraid of. The least efficient way is to corroborate this fear.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Majority? Yes. But not all. And that majority is smaller than it was in 2016. And you are correct that even if they all were in lockstep, it would likely still not be enough to get him reelected if enough Independents are fed up with his administration, and I believe they are.

But in my experience, Trump supporters all have one thing in common: Fear. Specifically: The fear of losing their culture. They believe that progressive ideas will leave no room for the comforts of tradition that shelter them from the unknowns of people who look and behave differently than they do. Some rebel against this fear more fiercely than others and embrace the appearance of power that hatred brings them. But hatred is not power. It is, in fact, an acknowledgement of weakness. The hatred of progressive ideas is an acknowledgment that there is nothing one can do to stop them. So they lash out, all the while dreading the inevitable cultural shift that threatens to marginalize them. Surely progressives can relate to this fear, especially given the results of the 2016 election.

IMHO, the most efficient way to quickly institute wiser, more progressive ideals in your country while mitigating the damage that a dwindling, frightened conservative culture can do to resist said progress is to undermine their faith that progressive ideas are something to be afraid of. The least efficient way is to corroborate this fear.

I don’t know what to tell you. If white people cannot grasp that their hold on all of our systems are dying with their demographic, perhaps they should be afraid if their only means of dealing with this is demanding we turn the clock back to the confederacy.

There is nothing anyone can do to ally a racist’s fear that they will no longer be able to inflict racism on people. Nor should they.


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[lwf]

I don’t know what to tell you. If white people cannot grasp that their hold on all of our systems are dying with their demographic, perhaps they should be afraid if their only means of dealing with this is demanding we turn the clock back to the confederacy.

There is nothing anyone can do to ally a racist’s fear that they will no longer be able to inflict racism on people. Nor should they.

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I disagree. There is something that can be done. It has worked in the past and will continue to work in the future in spite of how much we all dread it: Integration. When you bring people together, they lose their fear of each other. Whether the people are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Republican, Democrat, etc. division and isolation is not the solution. Intermixing and sharing of cultures is the solution. And this melding of cultures makes all people better for it. Any given culture (white, black, Democrat, Republican) is improved by exposure to the culture of others and those cultures are improved by exposure to it. It's not a painless process, but the end result is better people all around. Prejudice of one culture by another only serves to slow this process. And yes, that means progressives need to be just as accommodating for some things they disagree with as conservatives do.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I disagree. There is something that can be done. It has worked in the past and will continue to work in the future in spite of how much we all dread it: Integration. When you bring people together, they lose their fear of each other. Whether the people are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Republican, Democrat, etc. division and isolation is not the solution. Intermixing and sharing of cultures is the solution. And this melding of cultures makes all people better for it. Any given culture (white, black, Democrat, Republican) is improved by exposure to the culture of others and those cultures are improved by exposure to it. It's not a painless process, but the end result is better people all around. Prejudice of one culture by another only serves to slow this process. And yes, that means progressives need to be just as accommodating for some things they disagree with as conservatives do.

No one needs to accommodate racism.

You’re still clinging to a BOTH SIDES-ism that doesn’t address root causes, it obfuscates them behind a belief that the choices voters in the GOP are making are based on a lack of info.


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[The AntiDonald]

They are getting crazier and more dangerous by the day. Pillaged Oakland in the process.

VIDEO: BLM protesters in Oakland channel Iran, shout 'Death to America!' - TheBlaze


We are talking several hundred here folks, not just a few crazies.

The dems May be in trouble......it just will not let up......but 2 moths is a long time in politics so..... things are going to have pivot soon for the dems.

A couple hundred don't match the millions that will cause death to America if they re-elect Trump in 2 months. Because that's what it will amount to.

 

[Simpletruther]

A couple hundred don't match the millions that will cause death to America if they re-elect Trump in 2 months. Because that's what it will amount to.

We don’t negotiate with terrorists.

 

[Simpletruther]

...but...they are toast on election night, and one of the reasons is the GOP no longer represents America.


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We will see, I think it could go either way, but the rioting is giving trump a better chance.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

We will see, I think it could go either way, but the rioting is giving trump a better chance.

None of the polling reflects that and covid deaths are now projected to be 400k by the end of the year.

But I’m sure at some point all the graffiti and concern over federal court houses being...hurt...will play out. Bigly.


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[Aunt Antifa]

https://twitter.com/kellyo/status/1302308906660700161?s=21

Reminder as you watch this: Over 1k Americans have been dying each day for the better part of the last month. And we’re heading into flu season.

Trump hasn’t missed a golf weekend yet, but sure he’s gonna rack up all that gigantic pool of voters who don’t care about covid or jobs but really hate it when a fed court house is, like, chanted at.

 

[Highlanders]

Which Jews?

The tiny fraction of ultra orthodox?

The majority! And we will see exactly how many are zionists left in Palestine, sorry, you now call it Israel, after Hezbollah repays the murder of its soldier.

 

[Highlanders]

There are no "DP rules K L and P".

How does defining Zionism break the rules.

Zionism = A sociopolitical movement that agitated for a Jewish state in the Holy Land.

What rule is broken?

Ask the moderators, I'm not at liberty to post them on this site.

But one can start with the teachings of the Torah, and where does it say you can help yourself to the promised lands?

Does it say you can? Yes or no!

Last time you went against the lords word.... were you not sent into the wilderness and to await gods decision? But, you obviously know better...... you didn't the last time.... just look at what happened then......!

 

[lwf]

No one needs to accommodate racism.

You’re still clinging to a BOTH SIDES-ism that doesn’t address root causes, it obfuscates them behind a belief that the choices voters in the GOP are making are based on a lack of info.


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Of course racism should not be accommodated. The point is that not all Republicans are racist.

 

[Fledermaus]

Ask the moderators, I'm not at liberty to post them on this site.

But one can start with the teachings of the Torah, and where does it say you can help yourself to the promised lands?

Does it say you can? Yes or no!

Last time you went against the lords word.... were you not sent into the wilderness and to await gods decision? But, you obviously know better...... you didn't the last time.... just look at what happened then......!

I am asking you because you refuse to define what Zionists are.

Care to try for once?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Of course racism should not be accommodated. The point is that not all Republicans are racist.

If you are voting for Donald Trump, yes you are.

 

[Fledermaus]

The majority! And we will see exactly how many are zionists left in Palestine, sorry, you now call it Israel, after Hezbollah repays the murder of its soldier.

What majority?

Who are they?

The only ones you have presented are but a fraction of a percentage.