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Leftist Demands Full Recount in Mexico (1 Viewer)

So because its a right wing candidate that is "winning" then they should shut up? The fact that there have been reports of electoral problems plus that only 400.000 votes seperates the two candidates means nothing? And mexican elections and politics are a poster boy for free and fair elections around the world, and have been for the last many decades...... and there is a Santa right?
 
I agree with Pete. You have to realize that any election in Mexico is going to be contested after all the votes have been cast because of the irregularities that always seem to happen. They have not been the example of the best elections and I seem to rememberr a report on NPR years ago in which the UN monitors were saying what a deplorable job the Mexican government was doing to insure a clean election. So, let him whine and let there be a free and fair recount in an election this close. Remember, this is not just one state voting (because that would be a significant margin of victory), but an entire country in which you don't know until the very end.

Plus, it has been said that the final numbers won't be in until wednesday, but hey, this is a liberal posting liberal nonsense, so that is waht it must be...right?
 
Gee, maybe they've got a "Gregoire" up thier sleeve and have a couple of hundred thousand votes stashed someplace that just happen to be overwhelmingly in thier favor. I'm expecting Christine to take a junket to Mexico any day now with a bunch of "mystery boxes" full of ?????
 
I just read in the Los Angeles Times that 2.5 million votes were missing, that 11,000 stations in Mexico had irregularities (whose prliminary count did not count in the vote totals), and about 900,000 votes remained to be added to the official tally. Yeah, nothing out of the ordinary that should make for a recount...give me a break.
 
The recount is already in progress, and first reports giving the left candidate the slight edge, but still too early to call.
 
faithful_servant said:
Gee, maybe they've got a "Gregoire" up thier sleeve and have a couple of hundred thousand votes stashed someplace that just happen to be overwhelmingly in thier favor. I'm expecting Christine to take a junket to Mexico any day now with a bunch of "mystery boxes" full of ?????
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Our Republican Secretary of State called an end to the nonsense and declared Gregoire the winner. What stake do you or Oregon have in Washington elections?
 
Pen said:
Our Republican Secretary of State called an end to the nonsense and declared Gregoire the winner. What stake do you or Oregon have in Washington elections?
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That election was all kinds of shady!!! Dino Rossi clearly should have won.
 
Pen said:
Our Republican Secretary of State called an end to the nonsense and declared Gregoire the winner. What stake do you or Oregon have in Washington elections?
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What an amazing response... The stake I and all American citizens have in every election is that of the integrity of the voting process. When someone can change the results by way of "finding" votes, it damages the integrity of all elections. That election should have been recounted throughout the entire state, not just a few heavily Democratic precincts. It was a farce of the sort that is usually reserved for the old "Banana Republics". The fact that the AG was a Republican only serves to show that Rs are more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the voting process the Ds are. Study the 1960 Presidential election and see the difference between how the R candidate handled things and how the current crop of Ds operate.
 
KidRocks said:
Why should he? Is the count officially over? If Obrador wins do you think Calderon will accept it graciously?
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No, I doubt either of them would. But then, I never said otherwise. Just grown men acting like children in a country that can't afford it.
 
Kelzie said:
No, I doubt either of them would. But then, I never said otherwise. Just grown men acting like children in a country that can't afford it.
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I agree, I think Orbrador and Calderon should accept the results graciously, win or lose for the sake of Mexico.
 
PeteEU said:
So because its a right wing candidate that is "winning" then they should shut up? The fact that there have been reports of electoral problems plus that only 400.000 votes seperates the two candidates means nothing? And mexican elections and politics are a poster boy for free and fair elections around the world, and have been for the last many decades...... and there is a Santa right?
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I've been told, over and over, that the 500k vote difference in the 2000 election is insurmountable thru the normal variation expressed in the margin of error.

400K over a smaller base is just that much more insurmountable.
 
Whichever one takes the job, let us here in the U.S. hope that he makes changes in the country that make it more attractive for the natives to remain in Mexico and not continue to illegally come here in droves. As of this posting, it appears that the conservative candidate has the edge.
 
erasamus snoggle said:
Whichever one takes the job, let us here in the U.S. hope that he makes changes in the country that make it more attractive for the natives to remain in Mexico and not continue to illegally come here in droves. As of this posting, it appears that the conservative candidate has the edge.
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Mexico is so corrupt that I doubt there will be many changes that are beneficial to the majority of Mexicans.
 
KidRocks said:
I agree, I think Orbrador and Calderon should accept the results graciously, win or lose for the sake of Mexico.
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If the election were fair, he should accept the results graciously, but are they? There are now at least 3 reports in various areas where whole ballot boxes from voting districts that support Obrador have been found in the garbage dump.

Here is the most recent report.

There has never been a real election in Mexico because Mexico is just another third world nation, with no real culture of morality to speak of. Throwing away the ballot boxes of the opposition has been standard practice there since elections began. Both Conservatives and Liberals do it. This time, it happened to be the Conservatives that cheated, but the PRI was doing it every election until Fox was elected. In fact, for many years, there was only the PRI in Mexico, because nobody could compete with the PRI when it came to cheating. Now the PRI is history, but the cheating and vote rigging continues, as before, and it always will. Its just part of their culture, and always will be. America has apple pie. Mexico has banana plantation politics.

Want to know what I think?

1) I dont give a damn who won the election, just as long as they stop supporting sending their criminals over here.

2) Whoever wins had better get used to the idea that we are about to send their riff raff back to them. If they dont want to accept it, we will just throw the illegals on their laps and tell them "What you gonna do about it? Want a war? I didnt think so. The illegals are all yours."

3) And so what if the new el Presidente doesnt like the wall we are in the process of putting up? Screw 'em. The problem began with Mexico and the United States is going to end that problem - Period.
 
Who ever wins, I'm sure our current and future presidents will continue to advocate "free trade" with mexico.

"free trade": the bleeding of american wealth into the third world through tax payer backed loans directly to the governments, governmnet grants, and governmnet backed loans to corporations doing business in the region.
Most will not be repaid, rather they will be refinanced and extended so the interest can keep rolling in to the financiers. This will issue large sums of dollars into circulation causing continued devaluation of the dollar. The American citizen will continue to finance the bankers fortunes through the hidden taxation of inflation(dollar devaluation), as they have for nearly a century.

And no one will care. That is my prediction.
 
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