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Lefties - are you a Liberal or a Progressive: you can't be both

MrWonka said:
Your assertion without evidence is dismissed out of hand.
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In other words you know it's true and can't argue against it.
MrWonka said:
Liberals and Progressives are basically the same things.
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True, for today's version. Some lefties are shy to admit their true ideology.
MrWonka said:
Both warn of Republican attempts to destroy our Democracy because that is literally what you tried to do, and are actively trying to do today and if Republicans are allowed to regain power there is a very real chance they won't fail at keeping it next time.
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Neither understands democracy. Both seek control by a permanent government of unaccountable bureaucrats and "experts" dictating to the "little people".
 
noonereal said:
So, what is the difference between a progressive and a liberal to you?
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About 50 IQ points in favor of the true liberal, e.g. the classic liberal.
 
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Bullseye said:
Both seek control by a permanent government of unaccountable bureaucrats and "experts" dictating to the "little people".
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Whereas you would rather have.....a Reality TeeVee Messiah calling your shots?
Going with "gut feelings"?

*chuckle*
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
>>One Pew poll reveals that only ten percent of young Democrats believe America stands above other countries in the world.<<

Why on earth would any person think that "America stands above other countries"? Who but an arrogant asshole would think such a thing?

>>>Another alarming poll shows that just 40% of all Democrats would act as the Ukrainians are currently acting – e.g., staying and fighting if the Unites States was invaded by a foreign power, just as Ukraine has been by Russia.
In other words, if America was beset with a plight similar with what Ukraine is experiencing, 60% of all Democrats would run.<<

Where is this "information" coming from? LMAO. That is one of the worst pieces of tripe I've seen in a long time, even by right wing nut job standards.
Also: literally NOBODY is "envious" of Ukraine.
You actually read brainless shit like that and take it seriously? ffs man.

Good ****ing lord. One of the dumbest things I've seen EVER.
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See too much of yourself in it, eh? 🤣
 
Bullseye said:
This article echoes a point I've been making since I joined the forum: Progressives are not liberals and liberals are not progressive
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Thank you for the work you did in helping define me. I didn’t know I believed in all those things. Not since James Watt divided the country into “liberals and Americans” have we seen such insight.

Coming soon… my equally fair definition of a conservative as a racist and hater of all things good about America. Look for it on these pages.

Sincerely,

Nickyjo
Progressive Liberal… or Liberal Progressive
 
KingLeo said:
Would disagree.
Progressives are probably the definition of true liberals.

Definition of liberal.
1 - a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

2 - a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
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Which certainly conflicts with progressive drive to control and dictate.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
But the word Progressive has been hijacked in recent years by fatherless anarchist punks that hate Police and law & order, and have a desire to tear things down with no idea whatsoever of what or how to build in its place. Like the idiots that take stuff like CopBlok seriously
I used to call myself a "Progressive", back when it meant something good.
Now I'm just a lefty.
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Sadly I came to the same conclusion
 

From PEW Research - Looooong articles​

10. Establishment Liberals​


Liberal and racially and ethnically diverse, they stand out for their optimism and support for political compromise

Holding liberal positions on nearly all issues, Establishment Liberals are some of the strongest supporters of the current president and the Democratic Party of any political typology group.

While deeply liberal – roughly half describe themselves as either liberal (41%) or very liberal (12%) – Establishment Liberals are the typology group most likely to see value in political compromise and tend to be more inclined toward more measured approaches to societal change than their Progressive Left counterparts. Like other Democratic-oriented groups, most Establishment Liberals (73%) say a lot more needs to be done to ensure racial equality. Yet they are the only Democratic-aligned group in which a majority of those who say a lot more needs to be done also say this can be achieved by working within the current system.

Establishment Liberals’ gender, age and racial and ethnic profile generally parallels that of the Democratic Party as a whole: They comprise more women than men (53% vs. 46%) and more are under the age of 50 than 50 and older. About half of Establishment Liberals (51%) are White, while 18% are Black, two-in-ten are Hispanic and one-in-ten are Asian.

Establishment Liberals are one of two typology groups in which nearly half (47%) have college degrees (a quarter have postgraduate degrees). About one-in-five (23%) live in upper-income households, a higher share than in any other Democratic-oriented typology group.

www.pewresearch.org

10. Establishment Liberals

While deeply liberal, Establishment Liberals are the typology group most likely to see value in political compromise and tend to be more inclined toward more measured approaches to societal change than their Progressive Left counterparts.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
 

11. Progressive Left​


Very liberal, highly educated and majority White; most say U.S. institutions need to be completely rebuilt because of racial bias

Reflecting their name, Progressive Left have very liberal views across a range of issues – including the size and scope of government, foreign policy, immigration and race. A sizable majority (79%) describe their views as liberal, including 42% who say their views are very liberal – double the share of the next largest group (20% of Outsider Left).

Roughly two-thirds of Progressive Left (68%) are White, non-Hispanic, by far the largest share among Democratic-aligned groups. Progressive Left are the second youngest typology group – 71% are ages 18 to 49. Progressive Left are also highly educated, with about half (48%) holding at least a four-year college degree, making it one of the two most highly educated groups overall.

Progressive Left are more liberal than the three other Democratic-oriented groups on many issues. For example, while majorities in all four of these groups favor a bigger government providing more services, Progressive Left are most likely to express this view. When asked a follow-up question about how much bigger the government should be, 63% of Progressive Left say government services should “greatly expand” from current levels – a far higher share than any other group.

Their liberal outlook is not limited to issues related to the size and scope of government. Their views on race and racial equality also distinguish them from other typology groups: Sizable majorities say White people benefit from societal advantages that Black people do not have and that most U.S. institutions need to be completely rebuilt to ensure equal rights for all Americans regardless of race or ethnicity.

Progressive Left broadly support substantial hikes in tax rates for large corporations and high-income households. They are the only typology group in which a majority express positive views of political leaders who describe themselves as democratic socialists. And Progressive Left are more likely than any other typology group to say there are other countries that are better than the U.S.

Although they are one of the smallest political typology groups, Progressive Left are the most politically engaged group in the Democratic coalition. No other group turned out to vote at a higher rate in the 2020 general election, and those who did nearly unanimously voted for Joe Biden. They donated money to campaigns in 2020 at a higher rate than any other Democratic-oriented group.

www.pewresearch.org

11. Progressive Left

Members of the Progressive Left have very liberal views across a range of issues – including the size and scope of government, foreign policy, immigration and race.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org
 
For the last 10 years or so I've evolved into a more pragmatic mix of right and left. Somewhat socially liberal but governmentally a mix. For the longest time I had shaded toward the GOP. But the behavior of the GOP over the last 5 years has made me realize that party has quickly and unacceptably moved away from me. I find myself, like a large swath of Americans, to be a person without a party. For now I hedge toward the Democratic Party but we'll see if the GOP ever does anything to earn back my support.
 
Bullseye said:
In reality, the progressive left is no defender of democracy. Instead, it has worked to erode the self-government foundations underlying democracy. The progressive view of democracy is when the Democratic Party wins elections
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So Republicans literally incite a riot with insurrectionists, come up with plans like the green bay sweep to illegitimately declare victory, spread disinformation about election fraud, and insist they won the election....even a judge claim "Trump's efforts to overturn election likely criminal"
....but it's progressive that are the enemies of democracy?

There's no way you're serious.
 
Mach said:
So Republicans literally incite a riot with insurrectionists, come up with plans like the green bay sweep to illegitimately declare victory, spread disinformation about election fraud, and insist they won the election....even a judge claim "Trump's efforts to overturn election likely criminal"
....but it's progressive that are the enemies of democracy?

There's no way you're serious.
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There's no way it's serious as all the above accusations aren't serious. Go figure.
 
eohrnberger said:
There's no way it's serious as all the above accusations aren't serious. Go figure.
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They are so serious you can't even refute them, you just basically typed "Nuh uh" instead.
 
Mach said:
They are so serious you can't even refute them, you just basically typed "Nuh uh" instead.
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So ensconced in what the media I accurately described has given you as an opinion? OK. Got it.

Have a good night.
 
What if...? said:
I’m a second amendment liberal, for instance.
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I suppose that a 2A progressive would demand that public funds be used to ensure ‘equity’ so that the poor (economically disadvantaged?) have “access to” guns and ammo. ;)
 
Airyaman said:
When I need to find out how progressives and liberals think, I always read the works of members of the Federalist Society.
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And what disputes do you have?
 
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