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Lebanon and Israel Facts that the Media Isn't Telling You (1 Viewer)

What an utter rubbish!

Your movie is nothing but a nest of lies.

It's sad that the movie don't mention the fact that the Palestinians and the Hamas continue with their terror against Israel. The Hamas is a Nazi movement which call for the destruction of Israel and also send its people to do terror attacks against Israel.

7. Harold Pinter, Jose Saramago, Naomi Klein and a long list of intellectuals have signed a strongly worded letter against Israel which was circulated by Professor Noam Chomsky and featured prominently in the international press.

It opens with these words: “The last chapter in the Israeli Palestinian conflict began when the Israelis forcefully abducted two civilians from Gaza, a doctor and his brother, an incident that appeared in very few of the media except for the Turkish press. On the following day, the Palestinians abducted an Israeli soldier and proposed negotiations and the beginning of a prisoner exchange.”

I asked the Israeli Defense Forces Spokesman’s Office to verify the story for me. It seems the two brothers were hardly model citizens. They were both members of Hamas who planned terror attacks for a living and were caught in the midst of doing just that when special Israeli forces arrested them and took them in for questioning by General Security Service investigators. (The IDF could not confirm or deny that one of them was a doctor.)

Even if you don’t believe the official Israeli version, just use logic. The brothers were arrested on Friday night; IDF Corporal Gilad Shalit had been kidnapped 36 hours later. Since it takes long months to dig a tunnel and there is no way that the terror attack at Kerem Shalom army outpost was a response to the arrest of the two brothers. For a noted linguist, Chomsky is certainly sloppy with his words.

8. One more thing about the letter: That is, Nobel laureate for literature Jose Saramago (author of the international bestseller Blindness) is one of its signatories. Saramago, for your general edification, was born in Portugal, but chose to relocate to the occupied territories of the Canary Islands.

These islands were settled by the Guanchi Tribe who were shepherds and peaceful toilers of the land. Then the Spaniards arrived and conquered the islands. Through carrying out a number of massacres, they almost succeeded in exterminating the entire tribe. In the 1970s’ the Guanchis established an underground resistance which tried to achieve independence for the islands but was defeated by the Spanish government’s military. Never mind. The important thing is to allow Saramago to preach to us.
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283975,00.html

These terror attacks are since the Hamas was elected:

Purim terror attack thwarted

West Bank terror escalates

Suicide bomber strikes in Kedumim

9 killed in Tel Aviv blast

Palestinian carrying knife captured near mall

IDF commander: Asheri murdered immediately

Terror attack in heart of Israel thwarted

Palestinian men seized with bombs

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Hamas cell arrested along Egypt border

Gun battle at Erez crossing; 2 terrorists killed

Bomber nabbed en route to attack

Highway drama: Terror attack foiled

And these are only part of their terror attacks cause I don't have all the articles.

Very importent:

Al-Zahar wants 'Palestine from river to sea'

Hamas website: Kids, die for Allah

Jordan: Hamas targeted public figures

BRUSSELS – European Parliament member Charles Tannock said Wednesday the fact that Hamas was elected democratically, like Adolf Hitler, does not mean it should be accepted.

“How can we negotiate with them when their charter calls for Israel’s destruction,” said Tannock, a member of the UK Conservative Party.

Speaking to reporters at the European Parliament, Tannock launched a scathing attack on Hamas, saying that a political party with the same policy ‘would have been banned in Europe for being involvement in terror and the jihad.’
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3260192,00.html
 
The face of Jacob, you said: "Your movie is nothing but a nest of lies."

Can you name several lies in the film and tell us why they are lies?

White, it's "media aren't," not "Media Isn't."
 
niftydrifty said:
White, it's "media aren't," not "Media Isn't."
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I´m sorry, english isn't my first language...:2wave:
 
niftydrifty said:
The face of Jacob, you said: "Your movie is nothing but a nest of lies."

Can you name several lies in the film and tell us why they are lies?
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I guess you didn't read my post above.

When some old man saying in the begining of the film that Israel didn't like the Palestinians "democratic elections" by wanting to tell them who must represent themselves - that sais it all. The lie is that nobody is telling in the video that the Hamas is an Islamic terror organisation by all definition which his main agenda is the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the movie didn't mention that the slogan of the Hamas in the election was: "Gaza leeds to Haifa". Why should Israel agree to recognise in such terror Nazi organisation? an organisation which send his people to blow themselves up in Israeli restaurants?

I wonder why the movie didn't show these scenes:

Hamas Strategy For Peace

Gaza leads to Haifa

Hamas Head: Terrorism will continue

Pre-Election Video

It's like you make a film about a rapist who is sad that the authority in his country are telling him not to rape and you must remember that we didn't tell the Palestinians what to choose cause they are living in their own country but you can expect us to sit quietly while the Hamas is attacking us.

And another lie is when that old man is saying that it's all started when "Israel kidnapped couple of Palestinians" - this is rubbish and please go and read my post above.
 
I haven't seen any lies. You yourself admit the problem is mostly with the exclusions. The film represents a point of view. So do your posts. I read your posts, and I watch and read the pro-Israeli media in the US. I watched the film. I get both sides of the story that way. I wouldn't go so far as to call any of what you reference "lies."

the Face of Jacob said:
When some old man saying in the begining of the film that Israel didn't like the Palestinians "democratic elections" by wanting to tell them who must represent themselves - that sais it all.
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But this is true. Represented by evil people, sure, but even so, is what the man said true? You're angry at the situation there, and you're close to it. But (with all due respect - please don't take this the wrong way) it's making you sometimes say irrational things.

If the film could be said to lie, through painting a misrepresentative picture thru selective exclusion, then my response is "So? So do you."

If the head of Hamas says "Terrorism will continue," I call that brutal honesty. Israel commits acts of terror and hopes no one will notice.

Both sides are despicable, and both have my utter disdain.
 
niftydrifty said:
White, it's "media aren't," not "Media Isn't."
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Uh, actually, in the context used, "isn't" is completely appropriate.....not to mention the fact that he was also keeping in line with the rules/guidelines of this forum and his title is exactly the same as the title given on the page for the video.

But seriously, come on now. I hate bad grammar and spelling, too, but no one is perfect and trying to be the grammar/spelling police isn't exactly adding anything to the debate itself.
 
Without trolling through the whole history of who said or did what or whose land is it, let us be very clear on one very simple and easy to understand point.

Namely, either they find a solution by which they are able to live together or they will die together.
And that is the only point on whch they will eventually have to agree.
 
I hate bad grammar and spelling, too, but no one is perfect and trying to be the grammar/spelling police isn't exactly adding anything to the debate itself.
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Nonsense. When I talk about media "isn't" versus "are" ... I'm not talking about spelling or grammar. I'm talking about a concept relevant to the debate. If the video site got it wrong, too, so be it. Yet it doesn't make a wrong, right. It's a common logical error. The media are plural. It's beyond grammar. It's like calling a guy a girl. Or a dog a cat.

Furthermore, I was speaking about the topic. You're speaking about me. Therefore I most certainly was adding to the debate. The site mischaracterizes the media. Your post added nothing to the debate.

Uh, actually, in the context used, "isn't" is completely appropriate
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Uh, actually, it isn't. In the context used, it's completely misleading. And inaccurate.

What are your thoughts about Lebanon/Israel? The video? I completely missed those.

My comments were an aside. If you want to start a media debate, and it seems that you do, then start a new thread. I'll be happy to engage you there.
 
important video, remember to watch it! :2wave:
 
jujuman13 said:
either they find a solution by which they are able to live together or they will die together.
And that is the only point on whch they will eventually have to agree.
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Your assertion is incorrect. One side can kill the other.
 
I am sure that if a doctor was really kidnapped, his name would have been reported.

We have seen that terrorist organizations that take prisoners, refuse to treat them humanely. Do you really think hezbollah has treated the soldiers it kidnapped humanely? Remember, we do know their names.
 
First, can someone tell me who the commentator in the original video is? I am under the impression it is Noam Chomsky, but I thought he was more conservative than that video indicates.

White said:
“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/one-million-arabs-are-not-worth-a-jewish/348387.html
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Is this the defense you give that the arab doctor goes unnamed?? Seems a rather feeble and weak excuse. If your debate is based on the premise that Israel started the current conflagration, shouldn't the alleged arab victims have names? Otherwise one is left to believe that it is more fabrications by arabs trying to drum up undeserved sympathy.

Another point, do you think that the Israeli soldiers who have been kidnapped, are being treated humanely?

One last point, and it is slightly personal; my white daughter is married to a black man and has they have given me two beautiful grandchildren. What are your honest thoughts concerning my grandsons and my daughter and son-in-laws legal union?
 
heheheh Urbandale. . .

Just admit it, you're from Des Moines. :2wave:

Juss some friendly razzing from an ISU alum. :2razz:
 
Voidwar said:
heheheh Urbandale. . .
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Yep. Just up from Buccaneer Arena. 1/2 mile from Urbandale HS.

Voidwar said:
Just admit it, you're from Des Moines. :2wave:
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Although I graduated from TRHS and teach at Weeks MS.

Voidwar said:
Juss some friendly razzing from an ISU alum. :2razz:
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Moo U? ;) That other school that sports cardinal and gold?
ted


p.s. return friendly razzing from a Simpson grad! :mrgreen:
 
Paladin said:
First, can someone tell me who the commentator in the original video is? I am under the impression it is Noam Chomsky, but I thought he was more conservative than that video indicates.



Is this the defense you give that the arab doctor goes unnamed?? Seems a rather feeble and weak excuse. If your debate is based on the premise that Israel started the current conflagration, shouldn't the alleged arab victims have names? Otherwise one is left to believe that it is more fabrications by arabs trying to drum up undeserved sympathy.

Another point, do you think that the Israeli soldiers who have been kidnapped, are being treated humanely?

One last point, and it is slightly personal; my white daughter is married to a black man and has they have given me two beautiful grandchildren. What are your honest thoughts concerning my grandsons and my daughter and son-in-laws legal union?
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Jews are more valuable for media than arabs, you must be blind if you don´t see that.

:doh

Do you want to see a article which shows how Israel have kidnapped THOUSANDS of people ?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Of course you pick a quote from a religious extremist, who is a member of an outlawed political group (the Kahanists), whom any reasonable Jew denounces. Guess the only people you can relate to are extremists that either eveyone denounces or no one pays attention to. And one more word: :spin:
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Yeah right, what about this ?

"OUR RACE IS THE MASTER RACE. WE ARE DIVINE GODS ON THIS PLANET. WE ARE AS DIFFERENT FROM THE INFERIOR RACES AS THEY ARE FROM INSECTS. IN FACT, COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST. OTHER RACES ARE CONSIDERED AS HUMAN EXCREMENT. OUR DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES. OUR EARTHLY KINGDOM WILL BE RULED BY OUR LEADER WITH A ROD OF IRON. THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR FEET, AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES."
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Menachem Begin
(Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983)


You know, by the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions.
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Bill Clinton, Sept. 4, 1998
 
White said:
Jews are more valuable for media than arabs, you must be blind if you don´t see that.
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So?
Your responses indicate that you feel that arabs aren't as important as Jews, otherwise you would have provided a name for the supposedly kidnapped doctor.
The allegedly kidnapped doctor must have a name. If there really is such a person. :roll: If it is a real person, and not some fictitious character, someone knows their name, and the commentator should have had the common decency to provide it. Until you come up with a name it is just made-up.

White said:
Do you want to see a article which shows how Israel have kidnapped THOUSANDS of people ?
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Sure, once you respond to either of the other two points I posed.
 
White said:
Yeah right, what about this ?

Quote:
"OUR RACE IS THE MASTER RACE. WE ARE DIVINE GODS ON THIS PLANET. WE ARE AS DIFFERENT FROM THE INFERIOR RACES AS THEY ARE FROM INSECTS. IN FACT, COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST. OTHER RACES ARE CONSIDERED AS HUMAN EXCREMENT. OUR DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES. OUR EARTHLY KINGDOM WILL BE RULED BY OUR LEADER WITH A ROD OF IRON. THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR FEET, AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES."




Menachem Begin
(Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983)
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You are a LIAR, White, Menachem Begin didn't say such crap. Infact any Jew wouldn't say such nonsence. It's another Arab false propaganda. It remindes me the things that the Arabs teaching themselves about that that the Jews are sons of pigs and apes.

And White, don't talk with us about kidnapping, Your friends are kidnapping Israelis and murder them after one hour:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3269164,00.html
 
The face of Jacob said:
You are a LIAR, White, Menachem Begin didn't say such crap. Infact any Jew wouldn't say such nonsence. It's another Arab false propaganda. It remindes me the things that the Arabs teaching themselves about that that the Jews are sons of pigs and apes.

And White, don't talk with us about kidnapping, Your friends are kidnapping Israelis and murder them after one hour:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3269164,00.html
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You know, The face of Jacob, I've been searching the internet much of the day (in between working) for this quote, and I couldn't find it. I know that Begin was part of the militant group, Irgun, just prior to independance, and I know that Irgun, along with a few other militant groups, were denounced for some of their tactics. However, history shows that Begin softened his approach in later years and as Prime Minister, championed the peace process at the Camp David Accords. It was here that the perception of him finished its evolution to a statesman dedicated to peace between Israeli's and Arabs. Even if Begin did say it (which I doubt) it would have come from his militant days, not after. Just some more :spin: from someone using misleading. misdirecting, information in attempt to prove his tired, biased agenda.
 
The face of Jacob said:
You are a LIAR, White, Menachem Begin didn't say such crap. Infact any Jew wouldn't say such nonsence. It's another Arab false propaganda. It remindes me the things that the Arabs teaching themselves about that that the Jews are sons of pigs and apes.

And White, don't talk with us about kidnapping, Your friends are kidnapping Israelis and murder them after one hour:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3269164,00.html
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I have to say that if that quote is really false, feel free to remove it.

But first prove it´s wrong, google gives quite many answer to that one,

http://www.google.com/search?q="OUR...E+GODS+ON+THIS+PLANET.&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N
 
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