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Leaked Memo Shows Bush Knew the Famous 16 Words Were False (1 Viewer)

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A memo has been leaked from the Bush administration. It is dated 11 days before Bush's State of the Union address. The memo, from the State Department to the CIA tells them that the claims that Saddam Hussein was buying uranium from Africa are based on forged documents.

This memo is yet another in a long list of documents which show that we were lied into this war.

Article is here.

A digitized copy of the State Department memo is here.
 
danarhea said:
A memo has been leaked from the Bush administration. It is dated 11 days before Bush's State of the Union address. The memo, from the State Department to the CIA tells them that the claims that Saddam Hussein was buying uranium from Africa are based on forged documents.

This memo is yet another in a long list of documents which show that we were lied into this war.

Article is here.

A digitized copy of the State Department memo is here.
It just gets dirtier and dirtier it seems. Can there ever be transparency with our government?
 
jfuh said:
It just gets dirtier and dirtier it seems. Can there ever be transparency with our government?

Yes, as long as honest Republicans keep leaking the documents. :)
 
The forged documents weren't the only basis for those "16 words." To this day, British intelligence (cited in the SoTU Address) still believes their conclusion is right. Joe Wilson had been saying for months that the documents were forged. But ironically, his trip to N iger even bolstered the claim that Iraq tried to get uranium. I'm "blinded" by Bush hatered as much as the next guy, but this is a non-issue.
 
Binary_Digit said:
The forged documents weren't the only basis for those "16 words." To this day, British intelligence (cited in the SoTU Address) still believes their conclusion is right. Joe Wilson had been saying for months that the documents were forged. But ironically, his trip to N iger even bolstered the claim that Iraq tried to get uranium. I'm "blinded" by Bush hatered as much as the next guy, but this is a non-issue.

Actually, if I am not mistaken, the "British Intelligence" that seemed to back up those 16 words was presented in the infamous forged dossier.
 
danarhea said:
A memo has been leaked from the Bush administration. It is dated 11 days before Bush's State of the Union address. The memo, from the State Department to the CIA tells them that the claims that Saddam Hussein was buying uranium from Africa are based on forged documents.

This memo is yet another in a long list of documents which show that we were lied into this war.

As has been reported from day one those documents were not the basis of our going to war nor used as evidence that Saddam was snooping around for yellow-cake which we now know he was.

It turns out Bush was right about Iraq's quest for uranium

Apr 17, 2006
by John Leo

In a surprising editorial, The Washington Post deviated from the conventional anti-Bush media position on two counts. It said President Bush was right to declassify parts of a National Intelligence Estimate to make clear why he thought Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. And the editorial said ex-ambassador Joseph Wilson was wrong to think he had debunked Bush on the nuclear charge because Wilson's statements after visiting ***** actually "supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium."............................................

Testifying before the Senate intelligence committee, Wilson said that the former prime minister of ***** told him he had been asked to meet with Iraqis to talk about "expanding commercial relations" between the two countries. Everybody knew what that meant; ***** has nothing much to trade other than uranium......................................................................

Saddam Hussein had already acquired a large amount of uranium from ***** once before, in 1981, so he knew where to go. Amid suspicions that Saddam was trying to revive his nuclear program, Iraqis made a 1999 visit to *****. The head member of the visiting Iraqi team was Saddam's senior public envoy for nuclear matters. Hmmm.....................................

The forged documents claiming an Iraq-***** connection were so crude that they could never have fooled the CIA or British intelligence for very long. Who would do this, and do it so badly? Nobody knows. But if the forgeries were meant to distract from other evidence that Bush was right, then they certainly worked. Look around in American journalism, and you will find great certitude that the forgeries destroyed Bush's claim. That certitude can only be founded on the belief that Tony Blair, the U.S. Senate intelligence committee and the special investigative team of Parliament were all liars when they said there was substantial non-forged evidence backing Bush's claim. The investigative team was headed by the highly regarded Lord Butler, who served as a Cabinet minister under five prime ministers. It concluded that Bush's 16 words about Iraq's uranium shopping were "well-founded."




So once and for all the so-called forged documents are a moot point, why do you keep bringing them up?

Here is what the NYT stated

"It (the report) also defended British officials in the case of an apparently erroneous British report on Iraq's nuclear ambitions that made its way into President Bush's State of the Union speech last year claiming that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium in *****. The Butler report confirmed that Iraqi officials had visited ***** in 1999, and the British government had several different sources insisting that the purpose was to buy uranium. But it added, 'the evidence was not conclusive that Iraq had actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.'"

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/johnleo/2006/04/17/193811.html

The only lying and misinformation there is comes from the press and those who still make these claims.
 
Stinger said:
As has been reported from day one those documents were not the basis of our going to war nor used as evidence that Saddam was snooping around for yellow-cake which we now know he was.

.....

The problem with your ultra-right wing rags assertion, is that we have went over the nation of Iraq with a fine toothed comb and have found no significant quantities of Uranium.
 
danarhea said:
A memo has been leaked from the Bush administration. It is dated 11 days before Bush's State of the Union address. The memo, from the State Department to the CIA tells them that the claims that Saddam Hussein was buying uranium from Africa are based on forged documents.

This memo is yet another in a long list of documents which show that we were lied into this war.

Article is here.

A digitized copy of the State Department memo is here.

Which of the 16 words were untrue??
 
Stinger said:
As has been reported from day one those documents were not the basis of our going to war nor used as evidence that Saddam was snooping around for yellow-cake which we now know he was.

It turns out Bush was right about Iraq's quest for uranium

Apr 17, 2006
by John Leo

In a surprising editorial, The Washington Post deviated from the conventional anti-Bush media position on two counts. It said President Bush was right to declassify parts of a National Intelligence Estimate to make clear why he thought Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. And the editorial said ex-ambassador Joseph Wilson was wrong to think he had debunked Bush on the nuclear charge because Wilson's statements after visiting ***** actually "supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium."............................................

Testifying before the Senate intelligence committee, Wilson said that the former prime minister of ***** told him he had been asked to meet with Iraqis to talk about "expanding commercial relations" between the two countries. Everybody knew what that meant; ***** has nothing much to trade other than uranium......................................................................

Saddam Hussein had already acquired a large amount of uranium from ***** once before, in 1981, so he knew where to go. Amid suspicions that Saddam was trying to revive his nuclear program, Iraqis made a 1999 visit to *****. The head member of the visiting Iraqi team was Saddam's senior public envoy for nuclear matters. Hmmm.....................................

The forged documents claiming an Iraq-***** connection were so crude that they could never have fooled the CIA or British intelligence for very long. Who would do this, and do it so badly? Nobody knows. But if the forgeries were meant to distract from other evidence that Bush was right, then they certainly worked. Look around in American journalism, and you will find great certitude that the forgeries destroyed Bush's claim. That certitude can only be founded on the belief that Tony Blair, the U.S. Senate intelligence committee and the special investigative team of Parliament were all liars when they said there was substantial non-forged evidence backing Bush's claim. The investigative team was headed by the highly regarded Lord Butler, who served as a Cabinet minister under five prime ministers. It concluded that Bush's 16 words about Iraq's uranium shopping were "well-founded."




So once and for all the so-called forged documents are a moot point, why do you keep bringing them up?

Here is what the NYT stated

"It (the report) also defended British officials in the case of an apparently erroneous British report on Iraq's nuclear ambitions that made its way into President Bush's State of the Union speech last year claiming that Iraq had sought to purchase uranium in *****. The Butler report confirmed that Iraqi officials had visited ***** in 1999, and the British government had several different sources insisting that the purpose was to buy uranium. But it added, 'the evidence was not conclusive that Iraq had actually purchased, as opposed to having sought, uranium, and the British government did not claim this.'"

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/johnleo/2006/04/17/193811.html

The only lying and misinformation there is comes from the press and those who still make these claims.
It doesn't matter how you put it under the microscope. What was given to the public to support the war were these
1) Iraq is aquiring nuclear weapons
2) here're the mobile bio-weapon manufacturing units
3) Iraq is planning an attack on the US
4) Iraq is harboring Al Qaeda operatives (this is true now)

Everything else you are presenting is merely ultra-right wing political :spin. Accept it, Bush is a liar.
 
Stinger




In a surprising editorial, The Washington Post deviated from the conventional anti-Bush media position on two counts.

Mr. Leo is allowed to have and print any opinion he chooses. But it doens't change the fact, that it's his opinion.
 
Dissected years ago...

If Bush ONLY went by Joe Wilson's report, there would be a case...

But showing one instance of forgery doesn't disprove ALL instances of Saddam attempting to procure uranium...

From factcheck.org...A source you can rely on unlike truthout.org and townhall...

Bush's "16 Words" on Iraq & Uranium: He May Have Been Wrong But He Wasn't Lying
Two intelligence investigations show Bush had plenty of reason to believe what he said in his 2003 State of the Union Address.

July 26, 2004
Modified: August 23, 2004

Summary

The famous “16 words” in President Bush’s Jan. 28, 2003 State of the Union address turn out to have a basis in fact after all, according to two recently released investigations in the US and Britain.

Bush said then, “The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .” Some of his critics called that a lie, but the new evidence shows Bush had reason to say what he did.

A British intelligence review released July 14 calls Bush’s 16 words “well founded.”
A separate report by the US Senate Intelligence Committee said July 7 that the US also had similar information from “a number of intelligence reports,” a fact that was classified at the time Bush spoke.
Ironically, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who later called Bush’s 16 words a “lie”, supplied information that the Central Intelligence Agency took as confirmation that Iraq may indeed have been seeking uranium from N-i-g-e-r .
Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA's conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.
None of the new information suggests Iraq ever nailed down a deal to buy uranium, and the Senate report makes clear that US intelligence analysts have come to doubt whether Iraq was even trying to buy the stuff. In fact, both the White House and the CIA long ago conceded that the 16 words shouldn’t have been part of Bush’s speech.

But what he said – that Iraq sought uranium – is just what both British and US intelligence were telling him at the time. So Bush may indeed have been misinformed, but that's not the same as lying.

If there is intelligence that says Saddam tried to get uranium from Africa in '94, '95, '96, '97, & '98...and then you find out that the report in '97 was faulty, that does NOT negate the other ones...

PS - I had to add hyphens to the country name in the article due to the picky software here thinking its a deragatory word mispelled...
 
cnredd said:
Dissected years ago...

If Bush ONLY went by Joe Wilson's report, there would be a case...

But showing one instance of forgery doesn't disprove ALL instances of Saddam attempting to procure uranium...

From factcheck.org...A source you can rely on unlike truthout.org and townhall...



If there is intelligence that says Saddam tried to get uranium from Africa in '94, '95, '96, '97, & '98...and then you find out that the report in '97 was faulty, that does NOT negate the other ones...

PS - I had to add hyphens to the country name in the article due to the picky software here thinking its a deragatory word mispelled...

It's true that he wasn't lieing on the facts themselves. But it is untrue that he was not misleading to the american ppl. The white house statments have been walking the razor edge on this issue between lawful and unlawful.
By ommission however, he was indeed lieing.
Also, being as it would be that former reports all concluded that Saddam were aquiring nukes, however there was never a decision to launch troops from '94~'98, one thing the GOP was too busy launching an assault on Clinton's BJ to bother with anything else.

But given that the most recent report states completely which was made in a much more relevant time frame to the start of this war, old data is mostly obsolete and should only be taken as consideration in contrast to being solely reliant upon. Yet the most recent report was completely dis-regarded because a couple knuckle heads just had to be the bad ***. This would've still be alright had they listened to the generals, but instead they fired any general that dessented from thier "opinions".

Fire away with any technicality. The majority of the country will agree that the white house has been dishonest and purposely missleading with just about every statement issued by Scotty.
 
jfuh said:
Also, being as it would be that former reports all concluded that Saddam were aquiring nukes, however there was never a decision to launch troops from '94~'98, one thing the GOP was too busy launching an assault on Clinton's BJ to bother with anything else.

And Clinton was too busy launching missiles at aspirin factories. If he had taken care of business, 9/11 would never have happened.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The problem with your ultra-right wing rags assertion, is that we have went over the nation of Iraq with a fine toothed comb and have found no significant quantities of Uranium.
What about the 500 tons of yellowcake??
 
Gill said:
And Clinton was too busy launching missiles at aspirin factories. If he had taken care of business, 9/11 would never have happened.
Wait a second here, on who's watch was it in 2001? On who's watch was it that a barrage of intel from foriegn intelligence agencies about imminent attack come in in 2001? I'm a bit rusty with my time period but Clinton was still president in 2001?
 
Gill said:
What about the 500 tons of yellowcake??
What about yellowcake? Seems like a lot of hype about it, but just what is yellow cake?
 
jfuh said:
Wait a second here, on who's watch was it in 2001? On who's watch was it that a barrage of intel from foriegn intelligence agencies about imminent attack come in in 2001? I'm a bit rusty with my time period but Clinton was still president in 2001?
If Clinton had cleared Al Quaeda out after the first World Trade Center attack, after the USS Cole bombing or after the African embassy bombings, then yes, 9/11 would never have happened.

He left the whole mess for Bush to clean up.
 
Here's a hint:

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jfuh said:
Wait a second here, on who's watch was it in 2001? On who's watch was it that a barrage of intel from foriegn intelligence agencies about imminent attack come in in 2001? I'm a bit rusty with my time period but Clinton was still president in 2001?

Well.... technically, yes.... until the 20th of January.... but that's splitting hairs...
 
Gill said:
Here's a hint:

images
That being the case I don't see why there's even a need to discuss yellow cake at all. Seems like he's feasting.
 
Gill said:
If Clinton had cleared Al Quaeda out after the first World Trade Center attack, after the USS Cole bombing or after the African embassy bombings, then yes, 9/11 would never have happened.
No one can say that for sure, of course. But I agree that the first WTC bombing, the Embassy bombings and the USS Cole attack was more than enough reason for Clinton to have tried to deal with it. It is unfortunate that he didn't.
 
reaganburch said:
Well.... technically, yes.... until the 20th of January.... but that's splitting hairs...
Splitting hairs? Let's assume that it was your first day on the job as president. Let's also say that you were elected marginally to power. What would be your first order of business when presented with overwhelming intel of an emminent attack, forget when, forget who, lets just say that there'd be an attack. What are you going to do? Are you going to
a) Sleep on it
b) take a vacation
or
c) do everything in your constitutional power to confirm the reports, find out more about the threat and find ways to protect against this threat and proove your compitance?
 
jfuh said:
Splitting hairs? Let's assume that it was your first day on the job as president. Let's also say that you were elected marginally to power. What would be your first order of business when presented with overwhelming intel of an emminent attack, forget when, forget who, lets just say that there'd be an attack. What are you going to do? Are you going to
a) Sleep on it
b) take a vacation
or
c) do everything in your constitutional power to confirm the reports, find out more about the threat and find ways to protect against this threat and proove your compitance?

...overwhelming intel of an eminent attack....??????????

Where did you dream that up from??
 
Gill said:
If Clinton had cleared Al Quaeda out after the first World Trade Center attack, after the USS Cole bombing or after the African embassy bombings, then yes, 9/11 would never have happened.

He left the whole mess for Bush to clean up.
Bush also knew about the '91 WTC bombing, USS Cole, and African embassies were the acts of Al Qaeda. Even if he didn't know, Daddy would've told him:)lol:). As did the Republican dominated congress and the DOD.
Did anyone mention any of this though? There was also a mountain of intel coming in in 2001 about emminent attack and Bush did nothing. Even when the attack started and he was aware of it, he still did nothing, at least for 7 minutes.

Now today, even after all that we know, how much more secure are we today then we were yesterday? According to the 9/11 commission, Bush is, as always, flunking.
 

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