Law Abiding Citizen Shoots Dead Four People

[Rich2018]

"Law abiding citizen (at least law abiding up to that point) Richard Darren Emery, 46, has been charged with the murders of his girlfriend, her mother and the woman's two children in the Friday night shootings that ended with an exchange of gunfire before police arrested him.

...Emery, 46, was still in hospital Saturday and expected to be transferred to jail once released after law enforcement charged him with 15 counts in the slayings of Kate Kasten, 39, Zoe Kasten, 8; her brother, Jonathan Kasten, 10; and their grandmother, Jane Moeckel, 61.

The motive for the St-Louis-area slayings was unclear on Saturday evening as police revealed the identities of the those involved..."




Put it down to just another gang related mass shooting...not a problem we need to deal with.
345 mass shootings in 2017...looks like a similar story this year.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ot-death-St-Louis-area-home-suspect-held.html

 

[LosAngelesAngel]

~ I don't see how laws can protect society from crazy people ... ':doh

 

[Mycroft]

"Law abiding citizen (at least law abiding up to that point) Richard Darren Emery, 46, has been charged with the murders of his girlfriend, her mother and the woman's two children in the Friday night shootings that ended with an exchange of gunfire before police arrested him.

...Emery, 46, was still in hospital Saturday and expected to be transferred to jail once released after law enforcement charged him with 15 counts in the slayings of Kate Kasten, 39, Zoe Kasten, 8; her brother, Jonathan Kasten, 10; and their grandmother, Jane Moeckel, 61.

The motive for the St-Louis-area slayings was unclear on Saturday evening as police revealed the identities of the those involved..."




Put it down to just another gang related mass shooting...not a problem we need to deal with.
345 mass shootings in 2017...looks like a similar story this year.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ot-death-St-Louis-area-home-suspect-held.html

"gang related"???

Not according to your article:

Calling the incident 'horrific', CBS News reported St. Charles County Prosecuting Attorney Tim Lohmar said during a news conference: 'What can possess someone to take the life of a child, is beyond on me - and we may never know.

'This one in particular was the worst example of a domestic violence case. Anytime you have a domestic violence case you worry about the safety of the victim, and this would be your worst nightmare.'

On the other hand, some number of those 345 mass shooting you cite (with no source, btw) could be gang related.

Anyway, this case IS being dealt with according to your article. The guy is facing multiple charges.

 

[Kal'Stang]

"Law abiding citizen (at least law abiding up to that point) Richard Darren Emery, 46, has been charged with the murders of his girlfriend, her mother and the woman's two children in the Friday night shootings that ended with an exchange of gunfire before police arrested him.

...Emery, 46, was still in hospital Saturday and expected to be transferred to jail once released after law enforcement charged him with 15 counts in the slayings of Kate Kasten, 39, Zoe Kasten, 8; her brother, Jonathan Kasten, 10; and their grandmother, Jane Moeckel, 61.

The motive for the St-Louis-area slayings was unclear on Saturday evening as police revealed the identities of the those involved..."




Put it down to just another gang related mass shooting...not a problem we need to deal with.
345 mass shootings in 2017...looks like a similar story this year.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ot-death-St-Louis-area-home-suspect-held.html

Looks to me like it was domestic violence, not gang related.

In either case, tell me, what exactly would you have done that would have prevented this? Exact details as much as possible please. No generalities as generalities does not solve problems.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Manner of the murders isn’t the issue, mental illness is.

 

[DebateChallenge]

"Law abiding citizen (at least law abiding up to that point) Richard Darren Emery, 46, has been charged with the murders of his girlfriend, her mother and the woman's two children in the Friday night shootings that ended with an exchange of gunfire before police arrested him.

...Emery, 46, was still in hospital Saturday and expected to be transferred to jail once released after law enforcement charged him with 15 counts in the slayings of Kate Kasten, 39, Zoe Kasten, 8; her brother, Jonathan Kasten, 10; and their grandmother, Jane Moeckel, 61.

The motive for the St-Louis-area slayings was unclear on Saturday evening as police revealed the identities of the those involved..."




Put it down to just another gang related mass shooting...not a problem we need to deal with.
345 mass shootings in 2017...looks like a similar story this year.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ot-death-St-Louis-area-home-suspect-held.html

You've got to be really gullible to trust the Daily Mail but even if this did happen he wouldn't've needed a gun to kill these people, having or not having a gun wouldn't've made a difference, a hammer would've worked just as fine.

 

[dogboy49]

"Law abiding citizen (at least law abiding up to that point) Richard Darren Emery, 46, has been charged with the murders of his girlfriend, her mother and the woman's two children in the Friday night shootings that ended with an exchange of gunfire before police arrested him.

...Emery, 46, was still in hospital Saturday and expected to be transferred to jail once released after law enforcement charged him with 15 counts in the slayings of Kate Kasten, 39, Zoe Kasten, 8; her brother, Jonathan Kasten, 10; and their grandmother, Jane Moeckel, 61.

The motive for the St-Louis-area slayings was unclear on Saturday evening as police revealed the identities of the those involved..."

Put it down to just another gang related mass shooting...not a problem we need to deal with.
345 mass shootings in 2017...looks like a similar story this year.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ot-death-St-Louis-area-home-suspect-held.html

So, we have an anecdote. I am guessing that the point is to say that there are murderers amongst us who kill people from time to time, using guns. Noted!

There are also "good guys" amongst us who stop murderers from time to time, using guns. An astute person will have noted this as well.

So what?

I have so far resisted the temptation to post daily anecdotal data about Defensive Gun Use (and yes, it does happen daily), because anecdotes are just irrelevant. I have no wish to clutter the site with more irrelevant garbage.

 

[Rucker61]

Looks to me like it was domestic violence, not gang related.

In either case, tell me, what exactly would you have done that would have prevented this? Exact details as much as possible please. No generalities as generalities does not solve problems.

Rich wants to ban and confiscate all guns. He's admitted this will require overturning the Second Amendment. He's also admitted that the Second Amendment will never be overturned. Given this position, he's not really here to discuss solutions.

 

[Rich2018]

~ I don't see how laws can protect society from crazy people ... ':doh

What about a law that bans people from owning guns ?

 

[Rich2018]

"gang related"???...

The sarcasm clearly went over your head.

 

[Rich2018]

You've got to be really gullible to trust the Daily Mail but even if this did happen....

Wait, you're suggesting that there's a possibility that these 4 people are still alive and were never shot ?

Are you aware of the Daily Mail ever reporting a false story like that ?

...he wouldn't've needed a gun to kill these people, having or not having a gun wouldn't've made a difference, a hammer would've worked just as fine.

Go to a country like the UK...find me a story where someone did a mass "hammering".

Or a mass attack using any blunt instrument


Are you STILL refusing to accept that guns make all the difference...they transform wanting people dead to actually making people dead.


You can only do it with guns.


People don't kill people ... but give them guns and boy do the bodies start piling up.

Guns kill people (or rather the bullet that they fire do).

 

[Rich2018]

So, we have an anecdote....

Yeah just another gun killing

One more anecdote


One more in a long, long list.


Four more dead people.

Four more names to add to a list that too long to count.

Just another anecdote...it's will be forgotten by tomorrow.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

What about a law that bans people from owning guns ?

Considering the number of defensive uses of firearms exceeds the homicides to a staggering degree, no thank you. I'd rather keep my rights.

 

[Rich2018]

Considering the number of defensive uses of firearms exceeds the homicides to a staggering degree...

Oh it does ?

Really ?


And what would be your source on that ?


Excuse # 2a

 

[VanceMack]

What about a law that bans people from owning guns ?

I dont know...that seems like a stupid idea. Hell...if you are in the UK, the next thing you know they will be banning knives and locking people in jail for speech others find offensive. No...it sounds like a really stupid ****ing idea to sacrifice our most basic freedoms because of the bad actions of .000000000000000023% of the gun owning population.

How about cars? Do think we should ban cars because some people INTENTIONALLY misuse them and cause more deaths than are caused by firearms every year? You willing to ban cars? How about cell phones? You know...they can be a valuable tool...but far too many misuse them and cause the death of innocent people. SO...you willing to ban those as well?

 

[Fledermaus]

What about a law that bans people from owning guns ?

What about a law banning murder?

 

[DebateChallenge]

Wait, you're suggesting that there's a possibility that these 4 people are still alive and were never shot ?

Are you aware of the Daily Mail ever reporting a false story like that ?

The Daily Mail is a tabloid. With any kind of news source you've got to be skeptical but particularly with tabloids.

Go to a country like the UK...find me a story where someone did a mass "hammering".

Or a mass attack using any blunt instrument

I don't know about the UK but here is a story of a mass hammering in San Francisco.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-guilty-in-gruesome-hammer-beating-deaths-of-five-family-members/

Are you STILL refusing to accept that guns make all the difference...they transform wanting people dead to actually making people dead.


You can only do it with guns.


People don't kill people ... but give them guns and boy do the bodies start piling up.

Guns kill people (or rather the bullet that they fire do).

Right, so by that logic if somebody commits murder with a gun we should send the gun to prison with a prison sentence and let the murderer go free.

 

[Fledermaus]

Wait, you're suggesting that there's a possibility that these 4 people are still alive and were never shot ?

Are you aware of the Daily Mail ever reporting a false story like that ?

Go to a country like the UK...find me a story where someone did a mass "hammering".

Or a mass attack using any blunt instrument

Are you STILL refusing to accept that guns make all the difference...they transform wanting people dead to actually making people dead.

You can only do it with guns.

People don't kill people ... but give them guns and boy do the bodies start piling up.

Guns kill people (or rather the bullet that they fire do).

According to the FBI hammers and other blunt objects killed more people than rifles.

 

[Fledermaus]

Oh it does ?

Really ?


And what would be your source on that ?


Excuse # 2a

I believe you have been provided the source.

 

[Rich2018]

...that seems like a stupid idea...No...it sounds like a really stupid ****ing idea to sacrifice our most basic freedoms because of the bad actions of .000000000000000023% of the gun owning population....

Source ?

Or just another figure you pulled from your @ss ?

...how about cars? Do think we should ban cars because some people INTENTIONALLY misuse them and cause more deaths than are caused by firearms every year? You willing to ban cars? How about cell phones? You know...they can be a valuable tool...but far too many misuse them and cause the death of innocent people. SO...you willing to ban those as well?

What about swimming pools, people die in swimming pool accidents every year...should we ban swimming pools ???

Aren't the people who drown in swimming pools just as "innocent" ?

 

[Rich2018]

I believe you have been provided the source.

Yeah, but no-one can trust what you "believe"


You believe that guns should not be banned.


You believe that guns are a necessity.

 

[Rich2018]

According to the FBI hammers and other blunt objects killed more people than rifles.

Can you give any links to a "mass hammering" ?

Has anyone taken a hammer to a concert and hammered 58 people to death (plus wounding many more) ?


The Texas cop killer Mr Johnson...killed 5 cops.

How many do you think he'd have killed if he'd ambushed them with a blunt instrument ?


Sorry your apologetic rant won't wash.

 

[Rich2018]

What about a law banning murder?

Will outlawing murder stop murder from happening ?


Doesn't seem to be.


What else can we do to stop the out of control number of gun homicides per year....


Maybe disarm America ? Take away its guns.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Massive drop in gun deaths.

Massive drop in mass shootings.


What's not to like ?

 

[Fledermaus]

Can you give any links to a "mass hammering" ?

Has anyone taken a hammer to a concert and hammered 58 people to death (plus wounding many more) ?


The Texas cop killer Mr Johnson...killed 5 cops.

How many do you think he'd have killed if he'd ambushed them with a blunt instrument ?


Sorry your apologetic rant won't wash.

OMG... Apologetic rant?

You call a simple factual statement an "apologetic rant"?

Are you triggered by facts?

 

[Manc Skipper]

Manner of the murders isn’t the issue, mental illness is.

The manner is relevant, very effective and entails a lot less physical work to do the deed.