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Lagerfeld: 'Paris nightmare now'...

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It is happening in too many supposed civilized societies.

Growing up in my early years in Boston, you would see elderly couples of all races and every ethnicity out strolling the streets at night before bedtime.

The street thugs never hassled them out of respect.

Now................ they are often soft targets.

My best friend was born and raised in Boston. Lived in that area for over 40 years. He said the same thing, it's no longer a place he recognizes. He said a lot of America that he has seen is in the same mess. Democrats and progressives have really ****ed up the country.
He is getting real fed up with Oregon as well, since it turned into a Demo controlled mess, and looking to move to a Southern state when he retires in 7 years. He use to be a liberal Demo.....no longer.
 

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You know there was similar **** going on in the naughties, 90s, 80s, 70s and even in the 60s... hell Lagerfeld most likely participated in one or two of these protests back in the day.. he was probably too high to remember.

Doesn't change the facts that Paris is a ****hole full of progressives, anarchists and liberal turds!
 
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It's always the same thing with you Pete, race, xenophobia, and bigotry....isn't it?

Because it is about this for a lot of people.. fighting against it every single day, while people like you ignore that it even exists...
 

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Because it is about this for a lot of people.. fighting against it every single day, while people like you ignore that it even exists...

Sifting through Bull**** is not ignoring.

I can teach a Minor bird to repeat nonsensical accusations, but I'm not sure you could handle the competition.
 

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Because it is about this for a lot of people.. fighting against it every single day, while people like you ignore that it even exists...

We don't ignore it, we just don't put a lot of validity into that trademark of liberals........labeling Malarky!!!!

Sifting through Bull**** is not ignoring.

I can teach a Minor bird to repeat nonsensical accusations, but I'm not sure you could handle the competition.

:2rofll::2rofll::2rofll: ZINNNG....................
 

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Because it is about this for a lot of people.. fighting against it every single day, while people like you ignore that it even exists...

I would scratch the xenophobia. There are many reasons to be scared of Muslim immigrants, especially for young women. So phobia does not apply because the fear is real and is constantly validated.
 

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I would scratch the xenophobia. There are many reasons to be scared of Muslim immigrants, especially for young women. So phobia does not apply because the fear is real and is constantly validated.

LOL you say "scratch xenophobia" and try to validate your view by basically saying that Muslims attack young women. There are more "attacks" against young women by non-muslim men by far.. than there are by Muslim men. So you what do you want to call your view.. islamophobia? It is absolutely irrational and xenophobia. It is scapegoating... ignoring that others outside the minority you are scapegoating are committing the same crimes and in a larger amount.

But back to young women.. yes young women should be afraid of young muslim men.. and Christian men and Jewish men and buddhist men.. because they are MEN and we live in a male dominated society where sexsim is ripe and glossed over (by the right wing especially) by society. Why is it that rape is so under reported by women? Shame? yes, but why is it shameful? Because men have told them that if they are violated then they are unclean and un-marriable.. /wave Christianity and Islam. Why is it when women sleep around then they are sluts, but when men do it they are heroes? .. male dominated society. So spare me the xenophobic Islamophobic bull****.
 

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LOL you say "scratch xenophobia" and try to validate your view by basically saying that Muslims attack young women. There are more "attacks" against young women by non-muslim men by far.. than there are by Muslim men. So you what do you want to call your view.. islamophobia? It is absolutely irrational and xenophobia. It is scapegoating... ignoring that others outside the minority you are scapegoating are committing the same crimes and in a larger amount.

But back to young women.. yes young women should be afraid of young muslim men.. and Christian men and Jewish men and buddhist men.. because they are MEN and we live in a male dominated society where sexsim is ripe and glossed over (by the right wing especially) by society. Why is it that rape is so under reported by women? Shame? yes, but why is it shameful? Because men have told them that if they are violated then they are unclean and un-marriable.. /wave Christianity and Islam. Why is it when women sleep around then they are sluts, but when men do it they are heroes? .. male dominated society. So spare me the xenophobic Islamophobic bull****.

That is exactly what I am saying. And your bull**** excuse that non-Muslim men rape more? Why don't you figure the rapes by the percentage of the population and you will see Muslims rape much more than their share.

You have a lot of complaints. Now it is sexism. You can blame society for that too. When are you going to figure out where the blame really belongs?

And the ridiculous term of Islamophobia isn't really worth a reply. It is not an irrational fear when they say(and please none of this" all Muslims" crap)they are going to kill you. Recent terror attacks validate the real fears.
 
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That is exactly what I am saying. And your bull**** excuse that non-Muslim men rape more? Why don't you figure the rapes by the percentage of the population and you will see Muslims rape much more than their share ~

Which country?

And where do you get your stats from?
 

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That is exactly what I am saying. And your bull**** excuse that non-Muslim men rape more? Why don't you figure the rapes by the percentage of the population and you will see Muslims rape much more than their share.

For the love of god... so what if Muslims are 10% of the population and commit say 20% of the rapes.. the non muslims are committing 80% of the rapes and the 100% of the rapes are the real problem, not what religion the rapist is.

You have a lot of complaints. Now it is sexism. You can blame society for that too. When are you going to figure out where the blame really belongs?

The blame belongs at the foot of the rapist and the society that protects him.

And the ridiculous term of Islamophobia isn't really worth a reply. It is not an irrational fear when they say(and please none of this" all Muslims" crap)they are going to kill you. Recent terror attacks validate the real fears.

It is only ridiculous to those that commit it.

Now listen.. if you ask people in Europe if they are afraid of terror.. they will say yes. If you ask them if it influences there daily lives? Most will say hell no. And nor should it. In fact we are very safe in Europe and have been since the dark days of the 1970s and 80s when terror was far more common than it is today.
 

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”Better reporting”, especially in relation to rape, is very relevant. How many of the rape convictions today be prosecuted or even recognised as a crime in the 1970s? Raw rape statistics (conviction statistics at that) alone doesn’t strike me as a particularly good measure of the overall “quality” of a society, especially in the context being talked about here (for all recent media coverage, the majority of rapes happen in private places between people who already know each other).

Actually, reporting doesn't appear to account for much here. Consider:
" nine out of 10 sexual assaults in the French capital go unreported."

https://news.vice.com/article/new-study-looks-at-rapes-in-paris-and-says-nine-out-of-ten-go-unreported

I'm sure that you're correct that the "overall" quality of society in France is probably quite high. We were talking about Paris though, and what's changed about the city.
 

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Which country?

And where do you get your stats from?

Most European countries have stopped reporting the race or origin of the criminal. I wonder why? It is still provable by other facts like the percentage of the population or the whole immigrant population going up and sexual assults up along with it.
 

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For the love of god... so what if Muslims are 10% of the population and commit say 20% of the rapes.. the non muslims are committing 80% of the rapes and the 100% of the rapes are the real problem, not what religion the rapist is.



The blame belongs at the foot of the rapist and the society that protects him.



It is only ridiculous to those that commit it.

Now listen.. if you ask people in Europe if they are afraid of terror.. they will say yes. If you ask them if it influences there daily lives? Most will say hell no. And nor should it. In fact we are very safe in Europe and have been since the dark days of the 1970s and 80s when terror was far more common than it is today.

Islamophobia is a tool, not a word. You are in a good place to experience the violence first hand, you should keep that in the back of your mind. And maybe begin to identify with terror victims, not the religion that inspires the terrorists.
 

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Most European countries have stopped reporting the race or origin of the criminal. I wonder why? It is still provable by other facts like the percentage of the population or the whole immigrant population going up and sexual assults up along with it.

So you made those figures up then. As for your theory, European countries which have seen rape statistics go up have usually broadened what counts as rape and also done well in encouraging more victims to come forward. It's not as simple as you are trying to make out.

However, I don't feel I am about to have an educated discussion on facts and how statistics are collated so it would be easier to say all muslims are rapists, including the babies and no non muslims commit rape.

I'm off.
 

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For the love of god... so what if Muslims are 10% of the population and commit say 20% of the rapes.. the non muslims are committing 80% of the rapes and the 100% of the rapes are the real problem, not what religion the rapist is.

According to the study, the average age for Parisians rape suspects was 34, with 44 percent unemployed and 52 percent of them foreign nationals. Nearly half of the suspects were already known to the police, including nearly a quarter who were repeat sex offenders.
https://news.vice.com/article/new-s...-paris-and-says-nine-out-of-ten-go-unreported

Top 5 places of birth for Paris' Foreign Nationals, plus official religion of said places:
1. Algeria (Sunni Islam)
2. Portugal (Secular State)
3. Morocco (Sunni Islam)
4. Tunisia (Sunni Islam
5. Guadeloupe (Roman Catholic)
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52% of rapes in Paris are committed by foreign nationals.

Paris Residents who were born in France: 9,112,301
Paris Residents born outside of France: 2,739,825


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Paris

You have a major problem here Pete, why are foreign nationals, who make up a much smaller percentage of the population of Paris, commit the majority of rapes in Paris?
 

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So you made those figures up then. As for your theory, European countries which have seen rape statistics go up have usually broadened what counts as rape and also done well in encouraging more victims to come forward. It's not as simple as you are trying to make out.

However, I don't feel I am about to have an educated discussion on facts and how statistics are collated so it would be easier to say all muslims are rapists, including the babies and no non muslims commit rape.

I'm off.

No I have seen the figures.

Chief police Koppers had assembled the current data sets in such a way that alongside age and social structure, the question of immigrant background also played an important role. Thus an above-average number of criminals (68.4%) had an immigrant background, which is defined as either they themselves or at least one of their parents being or having been citizens of a foreign state. The leader of Die Linke (The Left) Udo Wolf accused Koppers and Henkel of stirring up a "stigmatising debate" with attributions of this type. Benedikt Lux from the Greens also demanded "greater restraint" in the correlation of criminality and background.[13]
Muslim Statistics (Crime and Prejudice) - WikiIslam
Above backs up the refusal to record race. And the high percentage of lawbreakers. And that is from 2012. It is not getting better.

High profile-gang rapes in India have been in the headlines since December. The phenomenon is growing across Europe too, but tends to be under reported due to the high incidence of Muslim perpetrators which makes it politically incorrect to mention.

Read more: Muslim gang-rapes across Europe under-reported in press
 

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So you are taking a report that states that in 2013-14, 52% of reported rapes in Paris was committed by foreigners and overlaying that with a demographics number that shows that most "foreigners" come from Muslim countries... ??!?!?! Absolutely pathetic.

Did you read the actual report.. there is an english part.

The ONDRP carried out a study with support from Paris Police Headquarters to provide statistics on rape cases
occurred in Paris during the years 2013 and 2014 and recorded by the police services. Data collection and analysis
give an accurate picture of the phenomenon, describing rape circumstances and portraying victims’ and offenders’
characteristics. The sample is composed of 598 adult victims and 90 juvenile victims.

Paris’ fi rst arrondissement has the highest rate per 100,000 population, and the 16th arrondissement as the largest
number of committed rapes. Strong concentrations of acts are observed on high traffi c areas (major streets, train
and subway stations, etc.) and main nightlife streets. Most rapes occur during the night and three fourths are
committed on private spaces. Constraint and threats are used in two thirds of the cases, while physical violence is
used less often.

Concerning adult victims, 90% of them are female and aged 30 on average. The two thirds have French
citizenship. Half of them were under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time they were attacked. Furthermore,
all offenders are male and aged 34 on average. Almost half of them have a foreign nationality. In addition, almost
half the offenders were known to the police before the incident. Finally, as concern connections between victims
and offenders, one offender out of two knew the victim before committing a rape, regardless of relationship type.

Rapes on young victims are more often committed during the day, and on private spaces in most cases. 80% of
the victims are female and a large third of them is aged 15 and over. 94% of them attend school. Juvenile victims
are less likely to be under the infl uence of alcohol or drugs than adult victims. 44% of the offenders are underage,
half of them aged from 10 to 14. Three fourths of the offenders are French citizens. A large half of them are
attending school while a third is employed. Finally, 38% among offenders were known to the police.

Here it says almost half.. not 52%, but almost half.. VICE has a credibility problem. Where do they get the 52%.. I know, but it is up to you to find it, and realize how big a buffon VICE is.

But regardless.. Your demographics are wrong. Paris, the Paris that is covered by the report, is not the greater metropolitan area .. aka the 11 million, but the Paris city, which is about 2.2 million. It is clear in the report that it is this.. 20 arrondissements of Paris. There is even a graph of where the rapes happened.

So it is a population of 2.2 million people, that had lets be large... 600 rapes in 2014. That is 27 rapes per 100k population approx.

How is that comparable to other cities with less "Muslims and Foreigners"

Houston, USA. Population 2.3 million. Reported rapes in 2014.. 812.... 35 rapes per 100k population...
Philadelphia, USA. Population 1.5 million.. so less. Reported rapes in 2014...1207!... 80.5 rapes per 100k population.

Want me to continue? What is the biggest rape capital of the US? Anchorage, Alaska. 301k people, but almost 392 rapes in 2014.. that is 131 rapes per 100k population!!!.... not many Muslim black Hispanic terrorist socialists there.. so how can it be?!? How can this clear epidemic of rapes even exist?

How about rape in other European cities? Well in London (metropolitan) there was over 5600 the last year... granted that was in a population of 14 million or so. If you do the math there.. that is 40 rapes per 100k population.

And you are telling me that Paris has a rape problem, and it is because of foreigners? What is the excuse for Anchorage? Let me guess, the rapes in London is because of Muslim migrants as well right? But then again, why does Philly have double the amount of rapes per 100k population of London.. many Muslim terrorists in Philly?
 

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So you are taking a report that states that in 2013-14, 52% of reported rapes in Paris was committed by foreigners and overlaying that with a demographics number that shows that most "foreigners" come from Muslim countries... ??!?!?! Absolutely pathetic.

Seems perfectly logical to me. Try intimating another critique besides "absolutely pathetic". Try telling me what's wrong with my logic, instead of insulting me, otherwise you appear to not have much of an argument.

Here it says almost half.. not 52%, but almost half.. VICE has a credibility problem. Where do they get the 52%.. I know, but it is up to you to find it, and realize how big a buffon VICE is.

There are 38 pages in the study. Which page contains this English content your speaking of? I've not seen any English in the study, so I'm assuming that Vice translated the findings of the study into English.



But regardless.. Your demographics are wrong. Paris, the Paris that is covered by the report, is not the greater metropolitan area .. aka the 11 million, but the Paris city, which is about 2.2 million. It is clear in the report that it is this.. 20 arrondissements of Paris. There is even a graph of where the rapes happened.

"According to the 2011 census, 456,105 residents of the municipality of Paris, or 20.3 percent, and 2,117,901 residents of the Paris Region (Île-de-France), or 17.9 percent, were born outside France."

A higher percentage of foreign nationals live in Paris city than in Paris Region!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Paris

So it is a population of 2.2 million people, that had lets be large... 600 rapes in 2014. That is 27 rapes per 100k population approx.

Are we inventing our own statistics now? Lmao. Prove that 600 rapes occurred in Paris city in 2014 please Pete. Because until I know you're being honest here, I see no need to address the rest of this.
 

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So you are taking a report that states that in 2013-14, 52% of reported rapes in Paris was committed by foreigners and overlaying that with a demographics number that shows that most "foreigners" come from Muslim countries... ??!?!?! Absolutely pathetic.

Did you read the actual report.. there is an english part.



Here it says almost half.. not 52%, but almost half.. VICE has a credibility problem. Where do they get the 52%.. I know, but it is up to you to find it, and realize how big a buffon VICE is.

But regardless.. Your demographics are wrong. Paris, the Paris that is covered by the report, is not the greater metropolitan area .. aka the 11 million, but the Paris city, which is about 2.2 million. It is clear in the report that it is this.. 20 arrondissements of Paris. There is even a graph of where the rapes happened.

So it is a population of 2.2 million people, that had lets be large... 600 rapes in 2014. That is 27 rapes per 100k population approx.

How is that comparable to other cities with less "Muslims and Foreigners"

Houston, USA. Population 2.3 million. Reported rapes in 2014.. 812.... 35 rapes per 100k population...
Philadelphia, USA. Population 1.5 million.. so less. Reported rapes in 2014...1207!... 80.5 rapes per 100k population.

Want me to continue? What is the biggest rape capital of the US? Anchorage, Alaska. 301k people, but almost 392 rapes in 2014.. that is 131 rapes per 100k population!!!.... not many Muslim black Hispanic terrorist socialists there.. so how can it be?!? How can this clear epidemic of rapes even exist?

How about rape in other European cities? Well in London (metropolitan) there was over 5600 the last year... granted that was in a population of 14 million or so. If you do the math there.. that is 40 rapes per 100k population.

And you are telling me that Paris has a rape problem, and it is because of foreigners? What is the excuse for Anchorage? Let me guess, the rapes in London is because of Muslim migrants as well right? But then again, why does Philly have double the amount of rapes per 100k population of London.. many Muslim terrorists in Philly?

I don't understand what was pathetic in regards to his conclusions. In fact it seems you are needlessly trying to excuse real problems on white people being racists.
 

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There are 38 pages in the study. Which page contains this English content your speaking of? I've not seen any English in the study, so I'm assuming that Vice translated the findings of the study into English.

It is on one of the first pages..

"According to the 2011 census, 456,105 residents of the municipality of Paris, or 20.3 percent, and 2,117,901 residents of the Paris Region (Île-de-France), or 17.9 percent, were born outside France."

A higher percentage of foreign nationals live in Paris city than in Paris Region!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Paris

And?

Are we inventing our own statistics now? Lmao. Prove that 600 rapes occurred in Paris city in 2014 please Pete. Because until I know you're being honest here, I see no need to address the rest of this.

That is the official statistic.. well just under 600

Reported' 'rapes' 'in' 'France' 'jump' '18'%'' 'in' 'five' 'years' '-' 'France' '24

“Paris follows just behind, with 600 rapes reported in 2014,” the report continued.

So yes, there was 600 rapes in Paris in 2014.

And thank you for proving my point. You dispute the Paris number because it must be higher.. as that is what you are lead to believe by the right wing propaganda machine... and yet the actual reality is that there are far more people raped in a place like Houston than there are in Paris.
 

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I don't understand what was pathetic in regards to his conclusions. In fact it seems you are needlessly trying to excuse real problems on white people being racists.

It is pathetic because places like Houston or Anchorage have higher rape rates and is that because of Muslims and immigrants as well? If Paris has "epidemic proportions" of immigrant rape, then what the hell is going on in Houston and Anchorage?

It is pathetic because he is trying to link rape to religion and nationality and it is pretty clear if you do that, then American Christians are a raping culture compared to Muslims in France... so is that what you want out of it? That the nationality or/and religion is more important than the rape it self?

This whole focus on nationality and religion, takes away the focus on how many rapes there are. Just look at this thread... many are bitching about "ohh the dirty Muslims are raping", and yet fully ignoring the huge amounts of rapes other places in our industrialized world.
 

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Nobody is saying the 50's were perfect, there were plenty of problems back then. But, people are a hell of a lot less respectful overall these days.
I’d suggest the theme of the article is that Paris of the 50s was perfect (whether that was the reality of Largerfeld’s comments or not). It’s playing on exaggerated rhetoric to present an image of prefect Paris of the 1950s, “like an old French movie” and the “nightmare” Paris of today. It quite deliberately makes zero reference to any of the negatives from the past nor the positives of today.
 
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