LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal history.

[MickeyW]

Businesses that ask a job applicant about his or her criminal history during the hiring process could be fined and forced to pay the applicant up to $500 under a new law being considered by city leaders.

A Los Angeles City Council committee backed a plan Tuesday to penalize businesses that weed out applicants based on criminal convictions.

The rules are part of a law under consideration by the council aimed at giving former convicts a better shot at obtaining employment.

The Ban the Box ordinance, approved in concept last year by the council, bans private employers with 10 or more workers from asking questions related to an applicant’s criminal history before a conditional offer of employment has been made.

LA City Hall panel backs fining companies for asking applicants about past crimes

 

[longview]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Businesses that ask a job applicant about his or her criminal history during the hiring process could be fined and forced to pay the applicant up to $500 under a new law being considered by city leaders.

A Los Angeles City Council committee backed a plan Tuesday to penalize businesses that weed out applicants based on criminal convictions.

The rules are part of a law under consideration by the council aimed at giving former convicts a better shot at obtaining employment.

The Ban the Box ordinance, approved in concept last year by the council, bans private employers with 10 or more workers from asking questions related to an applicant’s criminal history before a conditional offer of employment has been made.

LA City Hall panel backs fining companies for asking applicants about past crimes

Giving employers yet another reason to not do business there.

 

[Henrin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Oh look, liberals are looking to threw the first amendment out the window again. How nice.

It also fails to treat people equally under the law. :lol:

Liberals about the internet: Information should be free and available to all!

Liberals about employers asking for information: STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!

 

[MickeyW]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Giving employers yet another reason to not do business there.

Ditto!

Oh look, liberals are looking to threw the first amendment out the window again. How nice.

It also fails to treat people equally under the law. :lol:

Liberals about the internet: Information should be free and available to all!

Liberals about employers asking for information: STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!

Yes indeed.

 

[longview]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

I seem to recall that high intrastate taxes on packages, led companies like UPS to make sure
most packages crossed a state line.
I could easily see a company housing their web based application in another state, to bypass this law.
They did not ask the question in that state, the applicant, answered the question on an out of jurisdiction form.

 

[Socrates1]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Businesses that ask a job applicant about his or her criminal history during the hiring process could be fined and forced to pay the applicant up to $500 under a new law being considered by city leaders.

A Los Angeles City Council committee backed a plan Tuesday to penalize businesses that weed out applicants based on criminal convictions.

The rules are part of a law under consideration by the council aimed at giving former convicts a better shot at obtaining employment.

The Ban the Box ordinance, approved in concept last year by the council, bans private employers with 10 or more workers from asking questions related to an applicant’s criminal history before a conditional offer of employment has been made.

LA City Hall panel backs fining companies for asking applicants about past crimes

An easy way to get around the fine is to simply ask are you a democrat and we know the rest . :lamo

 

[bmr528]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

So as I read it, They can't ask the perspective employee during the interview,, But can run a background check afterwords? I do feel for the ex con who may have done something stupid and then has a record following him around everywhere.. I am sure that there are many that just really want a job to start redeeming themselves..

djl

 

[gdgyva]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Businesses that ask a job applicant about his or her criminal history during the hiring process could be fined and forced to pay the applicant up to $500 under a new law being considered by city leaders.

A Los Angeles City Council committee backed a plan Tuesday to penalize businesses that weed out applicants based on criminal convictions.

The rules are part of a law under consideration by the council aimed at giving former convicts a better shot at obtaining employment.

The Ban the Box ordinance, approved in concept last year by the council, bans private employers with 10 or more workers from asking questions related to an applicant’s criminal history before a conditional offer of employment has been made.

LA City Hall panel backs fining companies for asking applicants about past crimes

do they understand that some jobs require insurance bonding?

and insurance companies wont bond most criminals?

all of my administrative employees are automatically bonded.....

legal, admin, payroll, accounting, HR, and even advertising fall under that category of employee

so what happens in such a case?

way too many idiots in the land of fruits

 

[Mrs Agent M]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

do they understand that some jobs require insurance bonding?

and insurance companies wont bond most criminals?

all of my administrative employees are automatically bonded.....

legal, admin, payroll, accounting, HR, and even advertising fall under that category of employee

so what happens in such a case?

way too many idiots in the land of fruits

The federal government has a program to insure ex-cons. They offer other tax incentives as well to get business folks to hire these guys.

It seems like all this does is remove that barrier in the beginning of the process. This way employers don't disqualify someone they have never met because of their criminal history.

I work in Probation in my state. Lots of these folks are good people and need to make a living as much as the next.

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[Captain Adverse]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

If someone did the crime, and then completed their time...

...they should be treated like any other citizen.

I don't believe that asking if a person has a criminal record on a job application serves any useful purpose.

On the other hand, holding a criminal record against someone seeking a job only serves to encourage recidivism.

 

[blackjack50]

Oh look, liberals are looking to threw the first amendment out the window again. How nice.

It also fails to treat people equally under the law. :lol:

Liberals about the internet: Information should be free and available to all!

Liberals about employers asking for information: STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!

You know having grown up In a family of businesses owners, and being a life long republican...this particular thing is giving me pause.

How do you expect a convicted criminal to turn their life around if they can't get hired anywhere? Not like they can undue what they did. Seems like one more reason we have such a high repeat offender rate.

But how can you expect a business to trust a criminal?

 

[Captain Adverse]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

You know having grown up In a family of businesses owners, and being a life long republican...this particular thing is giving me pause.

How do you expect a convicted criminal to turn their life around if they can't get hired anywhere? Not like they can undue what they did. Seems like one more reason we have such a high repeat offender rate.

But how can you expect a business to trust a criminal?

Pretty much the same way you trust a person without a criminal record...you give them a chance to prove themselves to you.

There are lots of people out there with "clean records" simply because they haven't been caught doing anything yet.

Even more people who haven't done anything criminal right up until the opportunity present's itself.

There is no guarantee you are safer simply because the person you've hired has a clean record...so far. :shrug:

 

[Casper]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Businesses that ask a job applicant about his or her criminal history during the hiring process could be fined and forced to pay the applicant up to $500 under a new law being considered by city leaders.

A Los Angeles City Council committee backed a plan Tuesday to penalize businesses that weed out applicants based on criminal convictions.

The rules are part of a law under consideration by the council aimed at giving former convicts a better shot at obtaining employment.

The Ban the Box ordinance, approved in concept last year by the council, bans private employers with 10 or more workers from asking questions related to an applicant’s criminal history before a conditional offer of employment has been made.

LA City Hall panel backs fining companies for asking applicants about past crimes

This is a sticky one, on one hand I understand what they are trying to do but at the same time I believe an employer should have the right to know a potential employees criminal background. I notice they gave some employers an exemption so they must think that it could matter. Personally I have not worked for anyone in the last 30 years that did not perform a background check and drug screen so I really do not see how the law changes anything except for more low level type jobs. Sounds like just more California Crazy stuff to me, they do little to surprise me these days.

 

[blackjack50]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Pretty much the same way you trust a person without a criminal record...you give them a chance to prove themselves to you.

There are lots of people out there with "clean records" simply because they haven't been caught doing anything yet.

Even more people who haven't done anything criminal right up until the opportunity present's itself.

There is no guarantee you are safer simply because the person you've hired has a clean record...so far. :shrug:

Doesn't matter. Convicted felon vs non convicted felon...all other things being equal? Who gets the choice?

 

[ludin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Giving employers yet another reason to not do business there.

this law is clearly not legal will be challenged in court and thrown out.

 

[ludin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

The federal government has a program to insure ex-cons. They offer other tax incentives as well to get business folks to hire these guys.

It seems like all this does is remove that barrier in the beginning of the process. This way employers don't disqualify someone they have never met because of their criminal history.

I work in Probation in my state. Lots of these folks are good people and need to make a living as much as the next.

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The fact is that while this might be the case a business has a right to protect itself.
hiring a felon that could jeopardize company integrity is not cool.

also most applications have criminal back grounds on them as a point.
if you lie and are caught the company has a legal standing not to hire you.

 

[ludin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

If someone did the crime, and then completed their time...

...they should be treated like any other citizen.

I don't believe that asking if a person has a criminal record on a job application serves any useful purpose.

On the other hand, holding a criminal record against someone seeking a job only serves to encourage recidivism.

yea a bank shouldnt' ask a person at all if they have been convicted of robbery in the past.
it should have no bearing at all on whether the bank hires them.

are you serious?:lamo

it does has a purpose for if you lie about it then the company has a legal standing when they don't hire you.
as it clearly says on your job application if you lie then you maybe terminated.

 

[gdgyva]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

The federal government has a program to insure ex-cons. They offer other tax incentives as well to get business folks to hire these guys.

It seems like all this does is remove that barrier in the beginning of the process. This way employers don't disqualify someone they have never met because of their criminal history.

I work in Probation in my state. Lots of these folks are good people and need to make a living as much as the next.

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please link the program

and do insurance companies take that guaranty instead of bonding?

there are probably a lot of jobs where it doesnt matter.....but there are a lot of jobs where a criminal history will matter

to blanketly say you cant ask for ALL jobs is beyond stupid imo

 

[blackjack50]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

yea a bank shouldnt' ask a person at all if they have been convicted of robbery in the past.
it should have no bearing at all on whether the bank hires them.

are you serious?:lamo

it does has a purpose for if you lie about it then the company has a legal standing when they don't hire you.
as it clearly says on your job application if you lie then you maybe terminated.

See there is the rub that I would be ok with. I understand law enforcement not allowing any criminals. I understand pharmacies and drugs, banks and robbers. But what about some nowhere job? Like working at a rental car agency? Or a Walmart? Or a mechanics?

 

[ludin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

See there is the rub that I would be ok with. I understand law enforcement not allowing any criminals. I understand pharmacies and drugs, banks and robbers. But what about some nowhere job? Like working at a rental car agency? Or a Walmart? Or a mechanics?

no one says they can't work there however employers want to be told upfront.

I mechanic should know if the person has been convicted of auto theft or even grand theft.
wouldn't they?

walmart would want to know if you have been convicting of shoplifting.

why should business have to risk hiring these people?

 

[blackjack50]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

no one says they can't work there however employers want to be told upfront.

I mechanic should know if the person has been convicted of auto theft or even grand theft.
wouldn't they?

walmart would want to know if you have been convicting of shoplifting.

why should business have to risk hiring these people?

Walks a fine line though...consider this...if you have served your time, should you still be punished? Good behavior, work crew, you do everything right. What happens when you get dropped back into the world and you can't get a job because you are a risk?

What do you expect that criminal to do? Not be a criminal? When the only option open is crime? There is a reason we have parole and probation, but once you get to that point...you make those jobs impossible and you repeat the cycle if you aren't encouraging re entry into the world as a non criminal.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Walks a fine line though...consider this...if you have served your time, should you still be punished? Good behavior, work crew, you do everything right. What happens when you get dropped back into the world and you can't get a job because you are a risk?

What do you expect that criminal to do? Not be a criminal? When the only option open is crime? There is a reason we have parole and probation, but once you get to that point...you make those jobs impossible and you repeat the cycle if you aren't encouraging re entry into the world as a non criminal.

Would you let a paroled child molester baby sit for you?

 

[Captain Adverse]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Would you let a paroled child molester baby sit for you?

There should be no paroled "child molesters." They should be diverted upon conviction to a State mental health facility until released by a unanimous vote of a panel of psychiatrists.

But don't lump all sex offenders under that label.

 

[ludin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

Walks a fine line though...consider this...if you have served your time, should you still be punished? Good behavior, work crew, you do everything right. What happens when you get dropped back into the world and you can't get a job because you are a risk?

What do you expect that criminal to do? Not be a criminal? When the only option open is crime? There is a reason we have parole and probation, but once you get to that point...you make those jobs impossible and you repeat the cycle if you aren't encouraging re entry into the world as a non criminal.

You served your time. That doesn't mean that business should trust you and it should be up to them not the government who they hire.

Some business hire them but they are not going to be able to get major jobs that usually pay good money.
It simply isn't worth the risk to the business. It should be up to them not forced by the government. This is exactly why CA is a crap hole. If this passes through the court system more business will pull out.

 

[ludin]

Re: LA moves toward fining companies -- for asking job applicants about criminal hist

There should be no paroled "child molesters." They should be diverted upon conviction to a State mental health facility until released by a unanimous vote of a panel of psychiatrists.

But don't lump all sex offenders under that label.

Answer the question. Stop dodging