Kurdistan deserves an amicable divorce from Baghdad

[MadLib]

My first thought was too fact check this, because some of this blatantly false,

Which parts?

but its definitely accurate enough for the nightly news, toss in some conspiracies theories and some racial stereotypes and now repeat it 1000 times on fox news, follow it up with pictures like this and you would have the next boogeyman, muslim commies lol

All it would take would be few photos of al-baghdadi petting a cute kitten or something, and ISIS will become "americas most important ally in the region"

An independent Iraqi Kurdistan would be a center-right state dominated by clan politics, not Marxist-Leninist. Besides, the US hasn't really cared about communist movements since the Soviet Union collapsed.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The validity of the law is not dependent on whether or not you can get away with breaking it.

When it comes to issues of secession it most certainly is.

 

[Medusa]

Yes


No....


In Iraq? Most likely not. In Rojava, yes.

USA wants to found a little trojan horse in the ME as if it needs more and you support this policy,sorry dem but that is what is reality.Do you really think a communist or socialist Kurdistan will be founded soon ? And USA will support such a state ?

 

[Paleocon]

When it comes to issues of secession it most certainly is.

No one cares about your stupid hippy logic

 

[dimensionallava]

Which parts?

this part

The KRG, and the KDP in particular, don't have a great track record when it comes to minorities, utterly abandoning the Yazidis in Sinjar during ISIS' 2014 summer offensive. As brutal as the PKK has been in the past, ISIS' slaughter and enslavement of the Yazidis would have been far worse had they and the YPG not cooperated in evacuating the town after the Peshmerga simply left. The KDP is also repressive, having copied Assad's approach to dissent by opening fire on protestors. Barzani is a pimp and a warlord and the Kurdish people deserve much better than him as the leader of an autonomous region, let alone an independent state.

but it doesn't matter because its accurate enough for the nightly news and thats all that matters, Barzani is not a racist warlord pimp thats just US propaganda, and the USA is not exactly a wonderful example of how to treat protesters.

An independent Iraqi Kurdistan would be a center-right state dominated by clan politics, not Marxist-Leninist. Besides, the US hasn't really cared about communist movements since the Soviet Union collapsed.

I think thats great way to describe the USA as well, and in the entirely unlikely event that iraqi kurdstan gains official independence it will probably be under a center-right state dominated by clan politics, and certainly not Marxist-Leninist.

The USA absolutely still cares about communism, they just spent the last 8 years putting their own president through witch trials to prove hes not a muslim communist, ffs. Its worse especially in the middle east, what do you think the international reaction would be to a socialist saudi arabia nationalizing its oil reserves and refusing to export them to countries that weren't also socialist?

 

[MadLib]

Barzani is not a racist warlord pimp thats just US propaganda

Barzani and the KDP are pro-US and pro-Turkey to a greater extent than any other Kurdish faction. That description was just my opinion, and I'm not particularly happy that our support for Barzani is seemingly unconditional.

The USA absolutely still cares about communism, they just spent the last 8 years putting their own president through witch trials to prove hes not a muslim communist, ffs. Its worse especially in the middle east, what do you think the international reaction would be to a socialist saudi arabia nationalizing its oil reserves and refusing to export them to countries that weren't also socialist?

We supported Mao's China and the Khmer Rouge during the Cold War, despite the fact that the former was more Marxist-Leninist than the Soviet Union. Our interest in combating global leftism pretty much ended after the Cold War, as demonstrated by the fact that we let our proxy dictators (Mobutu, Pinochet) fall and established friendly relationships with Vietnam and, recently, Cuba. Right now, we are practically the air force for the libertarian socialist Syrian outgrowth of a former Stalinist guerilla movement. Communism and left-wing ideology no longer poses any real threat to American interests and, in the case of the YPG, might actually be useful in fighting militant Islamism.

 

[dimensionallava]

in the case of the YPG, might actually be useful in fighting militant Islamism.

yeah theyre useful today, but the US will probably be bombing them soon enough, just wait

 

[EMNofSeattle]

No one cares about your stupid hippy logic

even fewer care about yours.

once a country successfully secedes the host country no longer has jurisdiction to enforce any kind of laws against nationals of a sovereign nation,

 

[Red_Dave]

Read more @: Kurdistan deserves an amicable divorce from Baghdad

What say you? Do you think the Kurds in northern Iraq should move forward with complete independence from Iraq?
I may disagree with the KDP (the ruling party in Northern Iraq (part of Kurdistan)) mainly because of their hostile actions with the PYD, YPG, PKK, but I do believe that Kurdistan in Northern Iraq should vote for complete independence from Iraq. The Kurds have shown that they are good partner when it comes to military affairs and protection of different sects of the population, but they have also been getting screwed economically by Baghdad. I hope the referendum moves forward. [/FONT][/COLOR]

The PKK deserves hostility for its attacks on civillians and abuses against the local population in the areas they influence, apart from that I cant argue, though i wonder what it would mean for non Kurdish minorities living there.

 

[treehouse]

I doubt it, isn't ypg like half foreign fighters at this point from europe and the usa? you think any country is going to publicly call out some candian or australian volunteer fighter because they're connected to a kurdish left wing militant group in Turkey? who would dare do that? merkel?

PKK has no foreign fighters; Their weapons are coming from USA, and USA does not deny that if you watch the video of A.Carter; USA has signed ATT, but violated it, which is against article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT).

Obama has done many things, but this one is the worst, for It will be what Nazis means in eyes of the world for Germany, or Dutch soldiers who let Serbians in a town to kill civilians and celebrated it with a glass of champagne.

If you think USA will,historically, always be the one, then ''Ignorance is a bliss''.

 

[dimensionallava]

PKK has no foreign fighters; Their weapons are coming from USA, and USA does not deny that if you watch the video of A.Carter; USA has signed ATT, but violated it, which is against article 18 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT).

Obama has done many things, but this one is the worst, for It will be what Nazis means in eyes of the world for Germany, or Dutch soldiers who let Serbians in a town to kill civilians and celebrated it with a glass of champagne.

If you think USA will,historically, always be the one, then ''Ignorance is a bliss''.

thats all just two treaties? your talking about a country that has secret torture camps, bombs weddings, and invades any country it wants (like iraq) on a whim.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

USA wants to found a little trojan horse in the ME as if it needs more and you support this policy,sorry dem but that is what is reality.

What do you mean?

Do you really think a communist or socialist Kurdistan will be founded soon ? And USA will support such a state ?

Rojava is currently governed on communal, democratic, anti-capitalist principals.

 

[treehouse]

The PKK terrorists who carried out the Ankara attacks were lauded in a city controlled by the Democratic Union Party (PYD) with their photos displayed on a building. The images point to the close alliance between the PKK and PYD that some circles do not acknowledge. A photograph of the poster hanging on a building in al-Malikiyah shows the picture of suicide bombers Abdülbaki Sömer and Seher Çağla Demir beside a picture of imprisoned PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan. Sömer carried out a terrorist attack in Ankara on Feb. 17 that claimed 29 lives. The blast, which targeted military buses, also left scores wounded. Demir was responsible for the suicide car bombing in Ankara that killed 37 people in March. She joined the PKK in 2013 and was trained by the PYD's armed People's Protection Units (YPG) in Syria.

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...ters-spotted-in-pyd-controlled-derik-in-syria

PYD controlled and '' governed on communal, democratic, anti-capitalist principals''... for terrorists in Syria.

 

[treehouse]

Wanted PKK suicide bomber captured in central Turkey

Konya police captured the bomber, code-named "Rojda," 25-year-old suicide bomber Necla Y. and four other terrorists in an operation launched on a tipoff

Necla Y. was discovered to have entered Turkey two days ago with the intention ofconducting a suicide bomb attack after being trained in Kobane (Ayn al-Arab).

Wanted PKK suicide bomber captured in central Turkey

They have been trained in places PYD controlled and '' governed on communal, democratic, anti-capitalist principals'', and then blow up themselves to kill people around them as in Ankara and Istanbul suicide bomb attacks; after claiming lives of people they have been portreyed as heros on the walls of builings PYD controlled and '' governed on communal, democratic, anti-capitalist principals'', as in the post at #88.

 

[Medusa]

Wanted PKK suicide bomber captured in central Turkey

They have been trained in places PYD controlled and '' governed on communal, democratic, anti-capitalist principals'', and then blow up themselves to kill people around them as in Ankara and Istanbul suicide bomb attacks; after claiming lives of people they have been portreyed as heros on the walls of builings PYD controlled and '' governed on communal, democratic, anti-capitalist principals'', as in the post at #88.

they dont listen to you

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I think the Turkish war government is a much bigger threat to humanity than piddly little scattered, disorganized terrorist cells. I hardly see how giving the Kurds an independent region of their own inside war-torn Iraq or Syria would endanger massive uber-powerful Turkey's military forces.

 

[Medusa]

I think the Turkish war government is a much bigger threat to humanity than piddly little scattered, disorganized terrorist cells. I hardly see how giving the Kurds an independent region of their own inside war-torn Iraq or Syria would endanger massive uber-powerful Turkey's military forces.

Why does the west fully support a terrorist organization but comdemns islamist terrorists ?You should see it easily

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Why does the west fully support a terrorist organization but comdemns islamist terrorists ?You should see it easily

I don't like the West (Geopolitically speaking) any more than you do, but we're talking about the Kurds here, not the PKK.

 

[Medusa]

I don't like the West (Geopolitically speaking) any more than you do, but we're talking about the Kurds here, not the PKK.

They dont care about kurds ,they just focus on how pkk can be supported to divide Turkey

 

[Tigerace117]

They dont care about kurds ,they just focus on how pkk can be supported to divide Turkey

And why do you believe that? Because Erdogan told you that was the Western plan?

 

[Medusa]

And why do you believe that? Because Erdogan told you that was the Western plan?

:shock: I think you understand neither my political ideas nor the problems in the ME..

 

[Tigerace117]

:shock: I dont think you understand my political ideas

There's no western plot to dismantle Turkey, so if that is one of your political ideas.....

 

[Medusa]

There's no western plot to dismantle Turkey, so if that is one of your political ideas.....

why do you believe that ? your president told you to believe ?if you look at my signature you may not need to accuse me of unbelievable things

 

[Tigerace117]

why do you believe that ? your president told you to believe ?if you look at my signature you may not need to accuse me of unbelievable things

Yeah. It's Ataturk. Who came up with the whole "Mountain Turks" idea to get around the LON's "self detirmination for everybody" party.

If there was a Western plot to destroy Turkey don't cha think we'd have kicked y'all out of NATO?

 

[treehouse]

they dont listen to you

It is cooking, just sit back and watch.