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I thought you guys were saying the assassin is MAGA? Now you are saying he is the opposite? He is a transgender activist striking out against the rounding up and extermination of the cross dressers?"I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.
Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.
But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."
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It's the people in power who cause the anger just like trump is doing and as Hitler did in Germany in the thirties. He made the Jews the demons, trump makes the Democrats and anyone who won't bend the knee demons opposed to their authoritarian rule. Too many folks don't really know the history of the Nazis but trump is using the national guard as his brownshirts sending them into democratically controlled cities supposedly to help them and just like the brownshirts who would cause the fighting in Germany, they would then blame the Jews for causing the violence. Trump has many of the same tendencies Hitler had but at the moment, not hitler's power over the state."I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.
Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.
But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."
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Interesting parallels.
Take it any way you wish.I thought you guys were saying the assassin is MAGA? Now you are saying he is the opposite? He is a transgender activist striking out against the rounding up and extermination of the cross dressers?
ANTIFA dressing in black smashing windows, burning cars and intimidating pedestrians are the brown shirts. MAGA do not do those things. Instead we pick up the litter after a rally.It's the people in power who cause the anger just like trump is doing and as Hitler did in Germany in the thirties. He made the Jews the demons, trump makes the Democrats and anyone who won't bend the knee demons opposed to their authoritarian rule. Too many folks don't really know the history of the Nazis but trump is using the national guard as his brownshirts sending them into democratically controlled cities supposedly to help them and just like the brownshirts who would cause the fighting in Germany, they would then blame the Jews for causing the violence. Trump has many of the same tendencies Hitler had but at the moment, not hitler's power over the state.
Well I certainly do not take it that this murderer is some kind of hero fighting genocide, as the OP is attempting to do.Take it any way you wish.
It's a bit more nuanced than that in my opinion, because I feel some leaders correctly identify existing grievances and then amplify them so they receive more attention and create an endless grievance loop that feeds their power. Trump is very much this kind of leader.It's the people in power who cause the anger just like trump is doing and as Hitler did in Germany in the thirties. He made the Jews the demons, trump makes the Democrats and anyone who won't bend the knee demons opposed to their authoritarian rule. Too many folks don't really know the history of the Nazis but trump is using the national guard as his brownshirts sending them into democratically controlled cities supposedly to help them and just like the brownshirts who would cause the fighting in Germany, they would then blame the Jews for causing the violence. Trump has many of the same tendencies Hitler had but at the moment, not hitler's power over the state.
I don't think he was either one of those things. I think he was a young man with a grudge against Charlie Kirk. The murder seemed more personal than political.I thought you guys were saying the assassin is MAGA? Now you are saying he is the opposite? He is a transgender activist striking out against the rounding up and extermination of the cross dressers?
It was entirely political.I don't think he was either one of those things. I think he was a young man with a grudge against Charlie Kirk. The murder seemed more personal than political.
Do we know that for a fact? Tyler Robinson hasn't given us much of anything for a motive.It was entirely political.
It was entirely political.
Except on J6, which was based on nothing other than Trump's multitude of lies. You guys are great./SANTIFA dressing in black smashing windows, burning cars and intimidating pedestrians are the brown shirts. MAGA do not do those things. Instead we pick up the litter after a rally.
The case against him has just started but even now the public knows so much. We know he is in a gay relationship with his transgender "furry" lover. We know that the shells were etched with furry and gay advocacy quips. We know he has spoken out against Kirk's words and events. Charlie Kirk is entirely political. The whole reason for Kirk's fame is about politics.Do we know that for a fact? Tyler Robinson hasn't given us much of anything for a motive.
J6 was a riot. No doubt. It is a stain on conservatives and on MAGA.Except on J6, which was based on nothing other than Trump's multitude of lies. You guys are great./S
A transgender girlfriend and a couple of bullet etchings aren't very much to base a political ideology off of. You'd think if the intent was to make some kind of political statement, that the messaging would be more clear. Why would he hide his motivation if it was political?The case against him has just started but even now the public knows so much. We know he is in a gay relationship with his transgender "furry" lover. We know that the shells were etched with furry and gay advocacy quips. We know he has spoken out against Kirk's words and events. Charlie Kirk is entirely political. The whole reason for Kirk's fame is about politics.
It is entirely political.
The case against him has just started but even now the public knows so much. We know he is in a gay relationship with his transgender "furry" lover. We know that the shells were etched with furry and gay advocacy quips. We know he has spoken out against Kirk's words and events. Charlie Kirk is entirely political. The whole reason for Kirk's fame is about politics.
It is entirely political.
A transgender girlfriend and a couple of bullet etchings aren't very much to base a political ideology off of. You'd think if the intent was to make some kind of political statement, that the messaging would be more clear. Why would he hide his motivation if it was political?
You think there were conservatives there?J6 was a riot. No doubt. It is a stain on conservatives and on MAGA.
Haha! Good one.A transgender girlfriend and a couple of bullet etchings aren't very much to base a political ideology off of. You'd think if the intent was to make some kind of political statement, that the messaging would be more clear. Why would he hide his motivation if it was political?
Sure. not Neocons.You think there were conservatives there?
Agreed. The personal politics of a single deranged person.It was entirely political.
Haha! Good one.
It appears Charlie’s views on Israel were ‘evolving’.Haha! Good one.
"I have been thinking of historical, rather than fictional, antecedents, in particular the assassination in 1938 of a Nazi diplomat in Paris by a Polish-German Jewish teenager named Herschel Grynszpan. I’ve been thinking about it because it’s an assassination; because, like most public violence, it was committed by a young man; and because it was an act of despair. Grynszpan’s family, rejected by both Germany and Poland, was stuck in borderland hell between those two countries, along with some 12,000 other people. Staying with an uncle in Paris, Grynszpan was unable to help them. He decided to kill someone he saw as a representative of the force that was immiserating his loved ones. If the information released by the Utah investigators so far proves accurate, Tyler Robinson might have felt a similar desperate fury.
Grynszpan’s action served as a pretext for Kristallnacht, “the Night of Broken Glass,” a two-day state-sponsored pogrom in Nazi Germany. During the course of it, authorities rounded up nearly 30,000 Jews, marking the first time the regime conducted mass arrests and put people in concentration camps because of who they were and not what they had ostensibly done.
But what makes this parallel feel most apt is how nervous I am about drawing it. The comparison seems straightforward: The person who was murdered was a representative of a hateful ideology, the person thought to have killed him was a deluded young man who may have tried to oppose that hatred in the most destructive manner imaginable. And yet something in the transformed landscape of this country tells me I’m not supposed to say so."
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Interesting parallels.
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