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[Litwin]

Why you ask me, go ask your boy Putin

He is the getting his arse kicked

+1

 

[bomberfox]

Ok Comrade

Which part of the Evil Empire you write this post from?

Enjoy your economic depression, maybe Vlad will spend some of that 40 billion he has stolen, feed the hungry Russian children coming to a a russian City near you.

And no, Putin gets no easy way out after his troops committed war crimes. Russians never change they luv the whip, to receive and give out.

Russians actually do change. Novgorod when it was more independent was approaching similar advancements in governing, etc as their european counterparts. The rest of Russia has a long history of governing by the whip though. Establishing the Duma and getting rid of the kleptocratic tsarist system was another big step.

 

[Litwin]

Novgorod

your fav Mongol Muscovy (ulus) had noting N. REPUBLIC. N. REPUBLIC was the first victim of Muscovite genocidal foreign policy , something what we see today in Ukraine

 

[Questerr]

there's a certain culture, i hear, in the russian elite that those who lose wars do not survive long

Knowing this, he personally, has nothing to lose, and may go "all in" as it were, to destroy ukraine totally...or, potentially worse.

We need to offer this guy an offramp. We need to be able to "give him" something to claim victory at home, or else, a WHOLE lot of people are going to die.

Putin can't just push a button and launch nukes. He has to get other people to go along with him.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Putin can't just push a button and launch nukes. He has to get other people to go along with him.

not for the smaller, tactical nukes.

 

[Litwin]

nukes

all what your ivans RT.ru got
1) we ivans fight " national - socialists state Ukraine " (a liberal democracy. the Jewish president )
2) we are suicidal, we are gonna use ussr´s badly outdated nukes ans KILL OURSELVES , BY the way where families of your khan are gonna hide in New Zealand ?



ivan, we dont buy RT.ru propognda , we go to the kill , your ulus is gonna pay for butcha

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[Litwin]

 

[EMNofSeattle]

What do you propose to “offer” “him?”

The very reasonable demands to recognize DNR and LNR, recognize Crimea, and not join NATO

 

[Litwin]

The very reasonable demands to recognize DNR and LNR, recognize Crimea, and not join NATO

ivan, you are losing this war , your empire is going down like in 1917 or 1991

 

[Litwin]

The very reasonable demands ...

we say No, ivan

 

[DarkWizard12]

all

bullocks

 

[Litwin]

bullocks

you can our Hague cells any name as you pleased , but still we are gonna get you all guys in anyway , ask your buddy Milosevic , oops we killed him, nevermind

 

[Questerr]

not for the smaller, tactical nukes.

Because Putin is going to fly the aircraft that delivers them or launch the tactical ballistic missile himself? Tactical nukes arguably have even more people that need to be involved than strategic nukes.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Because Putin is going to fly the aircraft that delivers them or launch the tactical ballistic missile himself? Tactical nukes arguably have even more people that need to be involved than strategic nukes.

I think someone who says such a thing is a liar, pure and simple.

 

[Questerr]

I think someone who says such a thing is a liar, pure and simple.

Because you have no idea have military chain of command works. There’s far more steps between a President and a tactical nuclear system than there is between a President and a strategic one.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Because you have no idea have military chain of command works. There’s far more steps between a President and a tactical nuclear system than there is between a President and a strategic one.

oh....you were in the military?

 

[Questerr]

oh....you were in the military?

Yes. For 8 years.

But that doesn’t matter because you don’t have to have ever served to understand how chain of command works and how many steps there are between a President and a given weapon system.

The fact is, there are ZERO nukes Putin can launch himself with no one else involved. He has to have other people to relay his orders and to actually arm and fire the weapons in question.

And ironically, the smaller the nuke, the more people that need to be involved because tactical nukes aren’t intended to be launched on the fly.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Yes. For 8 years.

But that doesn’t matter because you don’t have to have ever served to understand how chain of command works and how many steps there are between a President and a given weapon system.

The fact is, there are ZERO nukes Putin can launch himself with no one else involved. He has to have other people to relay his orders and to actually arm and fire the weapons in question.

And ironically, the smaller the nuke, the more people that need to be involved because tactical nukes aren’t intended to be launched on the fly.

that's moving the goal posts don't you think?

 

[Questerr]

that's moving the goal posts don't you think?

No it isn’t. It’s exactly what I said that you objected to: Putin cannot launch nukes himself with the push of a button. There has to be other people involved.

 

[notquiteright]

ok, now you're just rambling. You want to have a war with a nuclear power, have at it. Your cities...your centers of power...are the ones in danger there. Not my little house in the middle of nowhere. So go ahead, I encourage you....no, insist! that you escalate a nuclear war with russia. I think a couple of nukes will clear A LOT of weak people from the herd.

It's obvious you know so little about the downwind effect of a nuke. Tyler being the largest city in NE Texas. If not on the list, it is in the path of many possible strikes.

Now I doubt you'd ever been in a violent face off. Doesn't matter who first pulls the trigger, nor how many are pulled- once someone fires- EVERYBODY fires. So that means if the Russians launch so much as one ICBM at our nation, our response will not be a single 'reply' missile. It just won't be the 'weak people' thinned from the herd but damn near the entire herd. Follow with a nuclear winter and the survivors being sent back a few dozen centuries in living standard. Dare and smirk all you want. I sincerely doubt you will the day after the exchange....

 

[DarkWizard12]

No it isn’t. It’s exactly what I said that you objected to: Putin cannot launch nukes himself with the push of a button. There has to be other people involved.

erm, you're wrong on that. That's not what i objected to, no. I am aware that there are indeed, a series of personnel and maintaincemen to make sure any nuke is indeed in working order and ready, regardless of what kind of nuke it is.

 

[Questerr]

erm, you're wrong on that. That's not what i objected to, no. I am aware that there are indeed, a series of personnel and maintaincemen to make sure any nuke is indeed in working order and ready, regardless of what kind of nuke it is.

So then you understand why you claim that Putin will launch nukes if he feels he’s backed into a corner is absurd, right?

He’d have to get a significant number of people to be just as suicidally desperate as he is for it to work.

 

[DarkWizard12]

So then you understand why you claim that Putin will launch nukes if he feels he’s backed into a corner is absurd, right?

He’d have to get a significant number of people to be just as suicidally desperate as he is for it to work.

So you let me get this straight,

You think it's absurd that Putin would launch nukes, because, you think, a "magic russian" somewhere in the chain of command is going to stand up to putin if he orders say, a tactical strike on Kyiv.

The only question I have for you is, where the **** was this "magic russian" to tell Putin no when he ordered an invasion of ukraine?

I would say, if someone were serious with such logic, they are too stupid to be in the military, save to be nothing more than a bullet sponge to angry terrorists in afghanistan. Yes, this idiot logic is exactly that, idiot logic.

 

[Questerr]

So you let me get this straight,

You think it's absurd that Putin would launch nukes, because, you think, a "magic russian" somewhere in the chain of command is going to stand up to putin if he orders say, a tactical strike on Kyiv.

The only question I have for you is, where the **** was this "magic russian" to tell Putin no when he ordered an invasion of ukraine?

I would say, if someone were serious with such logic, they are too stupid to be in the military, save to be nothing more than a bullet sponge to angry terrorists in afghanistan. Yes, this idiot logic is exactly that, idiot logic.

What pilot or tactical missile technician in the world is going to say “Yeah sure, I’ll launch a nuke and start a nuclear conflict that will result in my family being killed in the name of defending my dictator from being couped and killed”?

 

[DarkWizard12]

What pilot or tactical missile technician in the world is going to say “Yeah sure, I’ll launch a nuke and start a nuclear conflict that will result in my family being killed in the name of defending my dictator from being couped and killed”?

a tactical nuke against a non-nato, non-nuclear armed a country is going to start nuclear conflict? Hmmm, not sure about that, unless you think the west has lost its heads. No, i wouldn't support my country launching nukes to...."help"...kyiv.

and even in such a case, i don't think a pilot is going to think that far ahead, much less one who has faith in his dictator.