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PolySciGuy

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Isn't it considered double-homicide when a murderer kills a pregnant woman? I believe i remember hearing that somewhere. Anyway, if thats the case, why are we making exceptions to our own laws?

Honestly I am totally against all forms of abortion, but I don't think that people will settle for anything more than a ban on partial-birth abortion.
 
Isn't it considered double-homicide when a murderer kills a pregnant woman? I believe i remember hearing that somewhere. Anyway, if thats the case, why are we making exceptions to our own laws?

Honestly I am totally against all forms of abortion, but I don't think that people will settle for anything more than a ban on partial-birth abortion.

See the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004
 
so... from what i gather from that law... the only real difference is that the child is wanted in the case of the double-homicide.... still seems kind of sick to me
 
so... from what i gather from that law... the only real difference is that the child is wanted in the case of the double-homicide.... still seems kind of sick to me

Yup, pretty much.
 
I'm against considering killing a non-third trimester fetus murder. To achieve logical consistency, homicide cannot be commited against a fetus if it can be legally aborted.
 
I'm against considering killing a non-third trimester fetus murder. To achieve logical consistency, homicide cannot be commited against a fetus if it can be legally aborted.

Why would you catch a ball that were thrown at your face...? Because you knew it was going to hit you, even though it technically didn't. So don't you know that a fetus will be a person someday?
 
Why would you catch a ball that were thrown at your face...? Because you knew it was going to hit you, even though it technically didn't. So don't you know that a fetus will be a person someday?
I like you PolySciGuy, so please don't take my criticism of your argument in a defensive way. The abortion issue is a hot topic, and though I try to use tact, I'm not very good at it. I like to just say it like it is.

Philosophically you are a Theist/Deist dealing with Atheists/Humanists.
Abortion literally is a war of ideologies.

The "Nature of the thing" and "potential future capacity" arguments have no value in the eyes of someone who uses Humanist reasoning, because to the Humanist, if it doesn't meet a set of arbitrative criteria to be a human being today, then what it will be tomorrow is irrelevant to the question "can I abort today".

Legally, the state must have a "compelling interest" in order to impose on the woman's "fundamental right" to medical privacy, so if you seek to outlaw abortion before "Viability" you will have to make a very good argument showing what, how and why the state has such an interest in a pre-viable fetus.
 
Why would you catch a ball that were thrown at your face...? Because you knew it was going to hit you, even though it technically didn't. So don't you know that a fetus will be a person someday?

Stopping a rape might one day prevent that sperm and egg from becoming a person one day. Also, perhaps that child grows up to be a serial killer. Until until I can buy a coke with my "potential earnings", don't expect me to care about "potential people."
 
Until until I can buy a coke with my "potential earnings", don't expect me to care about "potential people."
You ever heard of credit cards?
 
Credit cards are a choice, just like abortion. That is a specious comparison.

I'm not the one basing my opinion of abortion on my ability to buy on credit.:doh

I bet PP takes Visa and Mastercard!
 
I'm not the one basing my opinion of abortion on my ability to buy on credit.:doh

I bet PP takes Visa and Mastercard!

No, but you are actively promoting a specious comparison. And if PP takes Visa or Mastercard, it's a capitalist free market. So what? :doh
 
No, but you are actively promoting a specious comparison.
So the comparison was specious...I agree--that's why I commented on it, to point out how silly it was. Thank you--(and i'm the one being called the "Queen of Obvious." :mrgreen: )
 
So the comparison was specious...I agree--that's why I commented on it, to point out how silly it was. Thank you--(and i'm the one being called the "Queen of Obvious." :mrgreen: )

Perhaps I missed something...wouldn't be the first time.:doh
 
:july_4th: :july_4th:

All hail Felicity! :thanks

"Queen of the Obvious"!

:allhail


...sorry, no c.o.d......
 
The notion of comparing "potential people" to "potential income" has the drawback of failing to consider the consequences, if that potential is not fulfilled. I think I don't need to remind anyone here what can happen if potential income doesn't become actualized, but it got spent anyway. Well, potential people will require associated potential food and other potential resources. You cannot always assume that they will become actualized, just as you cannot always assume that potential income will be actualized.

Easter Island proved that humans are not immune to a Malthusian Catastrophe.

I might mention that I have never owned a credit card, nor ever wanted to own one.

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Hey, Jerry, if you truly wish to advertise yourself as an "Evil Conservative", then perhaps you might consider this anti-abortion argument:
1. The Law of Supply and Demand always associates value with quantity.
2. Every economic system fails, when it fails to acknowledge the validity of the Law of Supply and Demand.
3. Many Conservatives run businesses that hire workers and sell goods.
4. It is obvious that the more people there are, the more competition there will be for both jobs and goods.
5. Per the Law of Supply and Demand, more people in an economic system will cause prices for goods to rise, and wages for labor to drop, due to that competition.
6. The businessperson profits, therefore, by opposing abortion, and thereby encouraging the population increase that leads to the competion that lowers wages and increases prices.


Have you noticed how many conservative businesspeople already oppose abortion? They may claim to be promoting human life, but what sort of life is that, when wages are puny and prices for everything are high? Well, if they (and you, Jerry) are Evil, and don't care about quality-of-life, except their own personal quality-of-life, then so what?

Historically, it used to be that one man's income could support a family. Nowadays it seems to take two people both working two jobs. The conclusion should be obvious, that the buying power of wages has dropped, relative to the prices of goods needed to support a family, in the decades of population-increase that have happened since that earlier era. These phenomena are all linked, and nicely fit the preceding explanation. And we can assume that Evil Conservatives want this to continue, for their own excessively selfish benefit. ("evil" can be defined as "excessively selfish")
 
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