Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program

[MTAtech]

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Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program
Nearly two years into his presidency and more than six months after his historic summit meeting with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, President Trump finds himself essentially back where he was at the beginning in achieving the ambitious goal of getting Mr. Kim to relinquish his nuclear arsenal.
That was the essential message of Mr. Kim’s annual New Year’s televised speech, where he reiterated that international sanctions must be lifted before North Korea will give up a single weapon, dismantle a single missile site or stop producing nuclear material.

COMMENT:
This is exactly what critics said would happen. Kim got the recognition that he craved, got the U.S. to halt military exercises, pissed off South Korea and the U.S. got nothing.

 

[ElChupacabra]

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Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program
Nearly two years into his presidency and more than six months after his historic summit meeting with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, President Trump finds himself essentially back where he was at the beginning in achieving the ambitious goal of getting Mr. Kim to relinquish his nuclear arsenal.
That was the essential message of Mr. Kim’s annual New Year’s televised speech, where he reiterated that international sanctions must be lifted before North Korea will give up a single weapon, dismantle a single missile site or stop producing nuclear material.

COMMENT:
This is exactly what critics said would happen. Kim got the recognition that he craved, got the U.S. to halt military exercises, pissed off South Korea and the U.S. got nothing.

Hmm. I guess they didn't fall in love like Trump stated they did. The lack of details regarding any kind of terms for denuclearization was the first thing that had me concerned. One would think if the lifting of sanctions was a prerequisite to denuclearization Trump and his team would have been spared the trip to Singapore.

 

[MTAtech]

Hmm. I guess they didn't fall in love like Trump stated they did. The lack of details regarding any kind of terms for denuclearization was the first thing that had me concerned. One would think if the lifting of sanctions was a prerequisite to denuclearization Trump and his team would have been spared the trip to Singapore.

What? Writing the terms on the back of an envelope isn’t enough? Kim did send a letter which Individual-1 lavished praise but didn’t read.

 

[Rexedgar]

I want to see the contents of the “love” letters, especially the novelty one.


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When will the North Korean people look around and see how fat “Dear Leader” is compared with his subjects?

 

[ElChupacabra]

What? Writing the terms on the back of an envelope isn’t enough? Kim did send a letter which Individual-1 lavished praise but didn’t read.

As I posted in the threads that came up on the meeting, I just didn't see anything substantive that really outlined anything to be celebrating. One of the reasons other US presidents have avoided meeting the NK is the fact NK has pulled this kind of thing before, so it didn't make sense to meet with them and give them legitimacy. Now Jong-un did his tour of world leaders and instead of continuing on that "agreement" to "move forward", it proved to be a massive waste of time because what he's talking about now should have been at the very forefront of any discussion, otherwise what was the US administration actually agreeing to? It played out like a photo op and now it seems like that's all it was. We shall see where this goes.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Hmm. I guess they didn't fall in love like Trump stated they did. The lack of details regarding any kind of terms for denuclearization was the first thing that had me concerned. One would think if the lifting of sanctions was a prerequisite to denuclearization Trump and his team would have been spared the trip to Singapore.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I want to see the contents of the “love” letters, especially the novelty one.


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When will the North Korean people look around and see how fat “Dear Leader” is compared with his subjects?

Well our leader isn't exactly thin either.

 

[Thoreau72]

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Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program
Nearly two years into his presidency and more than six months after his historic summit meeting with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, President Trump finds himself essentially back where he was at the beginning in achieving the ambitious goal of getting Mr. Kim to relinquish his nuclear arsenal.
That was the essential message of Mr. Kim’s annual New Year’s televised speech, where he reiterated that international sanctions must be lifted before North Korea will give up a single weapon, dismantle a single missile site or stop producing nuclear material.

COMMENT:
This is exactly what critics said would happen. Kim got the recognition that he craved, got the U.S. to halt military exercises, pissed off South Korea and the U.S. got nothing.

Several photo ops have been shown with Kim and the SK president shaking hands and such. SK does not appear to be pissed off, but rather happy that the two countries are communicating.

 

[OrphanSlug]

This might become an international game of chicken, who flinches first.

Kim Jong-un knows that Trump will give up more in advance before we really get all that much from North Korea, and if Kim's rhetoric holds true as actual action (or lack thereof) then we can assume relations with North Korea are 2 steps forward, 3 back.

In all fairness there is very little else to take away from North Korea in sanctions from those that will participate in that anyway, there is also not much to give back hearing this new message coming out of North Korea either.

I see no reason for Trump to flinch and start handing more to North Korea, but he probably will anyway.

Who I am really concerned for is South Korea, how can they 'trust' all they are starting to do with North Korea?

 

[Bum]

Not even remotely surprised; if NK isn't getting enough attention or extortion aid, they revert back to the saber rattling and claims of turning Seoul into a sea of fire.

 

[MTAtech]

It's really very basic: NK spent decades and a large p% of it's treasury developing missiles and nuclear weapons and just isn't going to trade that for a promise by the U.S., which it distrusts.

NK, knows it is safer with those weapons than without.

 

[tres borrachos]

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Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program
Nearly two years into his presidency and more than six months after his historic summit meeting with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, President Trump finds himself essentially back where he was at the beginning in achieving the ambitious goal of getting Mr. Kim to relinquish his nuclear arsenal.
That was the essential message of Mr. Kim’s annual New Year’s televised speech, where he reiterated that international sanctions must be lifted before North Korea will give up a single weapon, dismantle a single missile site or stop producing nuclear material.

COMMENT:
This is exactly what critics said would happen. Kim got the recognition that he craved, got the U.S. to halt military exercises, pissed off South Korea and the U.S. got nothing.

I thought they fell in love?

 

[Airyaman]

Hey, but at least they're not testing bombs, right?

 

[Mach]

Remember the right wing propaganda about a Nobel for this?

 

[Grokmaster]

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Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program
Nearly two years into his presidency and more than six months after his historic summit meeting with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, President Trump finds himself essentially back where he was at the beginning in achieving the ambitious goal of getting Mr. Kim to relinquish his nuclear arsenal.
That was the essential message of Mr. Kim’s annual New Year’s televised speech, where he reiterated that international sanctions must be lifted before North Korea will give up a single weapon, dismantle a single missile site or stop producing nuclear material.

COMMENT:
This is exactly what critics said would happen. Kim got the recognition that he craved, got the U.S. to halt military exercises, pissed off South Korea and the U.S. got nothing.

More FAKE NEWS madeup bull****. Not what Kin said.

 

[MTAtech]

More FAKE NEWS madeup bull****. Not what Kin (sic) said.

Since you must have been there, what did he say?

 

[Grokmaster]

Since you must have been there, what did he say?

Can't backup your OP LIES, we see. What else is new at DP?


SEOUL, South Korea — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said Tuesday he hopes to extend his high-stakes nuclear summitry with President Donald Trump into 2019, but also warned Washington not to test North Koreans’ patience with sanctions and pressure.

During his televised New Year’s speech, Kim said he’s ready to meet with Trump at any time to produce an outcome “welcomed by the international community.” However, he said the North will be forced to take a different path if the United States “continues to break its promises and misjudges the patience of our people by unilaterally demanding certain things and pushes ahead with sanctions and pressure.” Kim Jong Un Says He'''s Ready for More Talks With Trump | Time

Blah blah blah.


How many nuke tests since Trump called his bluff?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I thought they fell in love?

 

[EnigmaO01]

More FAKE NEWS madeup bull****. Not what Kin said.

Kin? Who the hell is Kin?

 

[Lursa]

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Kim and Trump back to Square 1: if U.S. Keeps Sanctions North Will Keep Nuclear Program
Nearly two years into his presidency and more than six months after his historic summit meeting with Kim Jong-un of North Korea, President Trump finds himself essentially back where he was at the beginning in achieving the ambitious goal of getting Mr. Kim to relinquish his nuclear arsenal.
That was the essential message of Mr. Kim’s annual New Year’s televised speech, where he reiterated that international sanctions must be lifted before North Korea will give up a single weapon, dismantle a single missile site or stop producing nuclear material.

COMMENT:
This is exactly what critics said would happen. Kim got the recognition that he craved, got the U.S. to halt military exercises, pissed off South Korea and the U.S. got nothing.

It was nothing more than a gratuitous photo op...that served both Rump and Un's agendas.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Can't backup your OP LIES, we see. What else is new at DP?


SEOUL, South Korea — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said Tuesday he hopes to extend his high-stakes nuclear summitry with President Donald Trump into 2019, but also warned Washington not to test North Koreans’ patience with sanctions and pressure.

During his televised New Year’s speech, Kim said he’s ready to meet with Trump at any time to produce an outcome “welcomed by the international community.” However, he said the North will be forced to take a different path if the United States “continues to break its promises and misjudges the patience of our people by unilaterally demanding certain things and pushes ahead with sanctions and pressure.”


Blah blah blah.


How many nuke tests since Trump called his bluff?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

Sounds really promising with Kim calling the shots. I guess Trump is a pushover.

 

[veritas1]

The ball was always in Kim's court. Until he makes meaningful moves toward denuclearization, he isn't going to get anything. It's his choice whether to remain isolated, poor and totally dependent on China or not.