Killing of civilians in Bucha and Kyiv condemned as ‘terrible war crime’

[jpevans]

There's no saying how many posters here hold idiotic views

& that's a Fact, Jack.

 

[oneworld2]

Biden is the leader of the free world, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

They have to threaten Russians and North Koreans with death to have them express such cult like adoration of their own leadership lol

 

[watsup]

They have to threaten Russians and North Koreans with death to have them express such cult like adoration of their own leadership lol

Can you never ever stop lying???????

 

[Cardinal]

That he is prepared to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian should worry you but it appears you support it.

Well, we've seen what happens to the lucky recipients of Russian liberation, so yeah, there's a pretty solid incentive to fight to the last Ukrainian.

 

[Juin]

This is not an adult debate, rather, straw man dishonesty.
Biden is the leader of the free world, and he could provide Ukraine with the right tools for the job.
He's a feckless coward in the face of genocide.

Except it's not genocide. Not even close.

 

[watsup]

Except it's not genocide. Not even close.

Gee, so it’s simply the brutal murder and rape of lots of Ukrainians and the devastation of their cities. Well that certainly makes us all feel better about the Russians.

 

[Juin]

He was referring to providing Ukraine with humanitarian assistance and weapons.

As long as we are clear what weapons do. Weapons give Ukrainians a fighting chance. But more fights also means more Buchas and Mariupols. So if someone is asking Biden to send more weapons, in the expectation that it will immediately stop Buchas and Mariupols, then the expectation may be mistaken. The Logic of War is merciless. The conflict itself will produce more Buchas. That is until one side prevails.

 

[Juin]

Gee, so it’s simply the brutal murder and rape of lots of Ukrainians and the devastation of their cities. Well that certainly makes us all feel better about the Russians.

It has nothing to do with how you feel. Genocide is a not an idle term. Rape and murder are not genocide in themselves. At least not what took place in Bucha

 

[Cardinal]

As long as we are clear what weapons do. Weapons give Ukrainians a fighting chance. But more fights also means more Buchas and Mariupols.

Better fights mean fewer Buchas and Mariupols, provided Ukrainians have the hardware they need.

So if someone is asking Biden to send more weapons, in the expectation that it will immediately stop Buchas and Mariupols, then the expectation may be mistaken. The Logic of War is merciless. The conflict itself will produce more Buchas. That is until one side prevails.

 

[Juin]

Better fights mean fewer Buchas and Mariupols, provided Ukrainians have the hardware they need.

"better fights"? The tendency is for the fights to get dirtier as more arms flow into the cauldron. And as an empowered Ukrainian Army begins to assault Russian held positions its canons will wreak same gruesome toll on the civilians on the ground. Take Mariupol. If Ukrainian Army also besieges it to evict the Russians there, it will be a 2nd round of same urban combat, and this time it will be Ukrainian canon blasting buildings block by block.

Or Biden can arm immediately the Ukrainian Army to the point it knocks out the Russian Federation Army in a blow. That is what immediately stops more Buchas and Mariupols. I do not see how such an Army just emerges overnight

 

[Cardinal]

"better fights"? The tendency is for the fights to get dirtier as more arms flow into the cauldron.

We've seen the dirty fights when Ukraine doesn't have the weapons they need. The reason they're in the process of taking back they're country right now is because we flooded the zone with military hardware. Ukrainians have spirit, but if they didn't have the weapons they needed the whole country would look like one giant Bucha.

And as an empowered Ukrainian Army begins to assault Russian held positions its canons will wreak same gruesome toll on the civilians on the ground. Take Mariupol. If Ukrainian Army also besieges it to evict the Russians there, it will be a 2nd round of same urban combat, and this time it will be Ukrainian canon blasting buildings block by block.

Or Biden can arm immediately the Ukrainian Army to the point it knocks out the Russian Federation Army in a blow. That is what immediately stops more Buchas and Mariupols. I do not see how such an Army just emerges overnight

 

[HK.227]

Does it have to be the worse to get notice?
I am concerned that NATO, whose claim to fame is protecting democracy, refuses to engage to help this underdog democracy, because they aren't in the club. They make that claim seem, well BS.

Then maybe you should be in charge.
We'll all do what you say in the name of Democracy, but if you make a mistake and get a lot of people killed, every last one of those deaths will be on you.

It should go without saying that if anyone finds that thought appealing , they would be a disastrous choice for the position.

 

[Indydave]

The first, yes. The second, no.

What’s Biden supposed to do, order us to invade Russia?

exactly......whatever he does is going to be right and going to be wrong......thank God we at least have an adult running the show......considering the consequences of war with Russia comes first and foremost despite having to stomach the slaughter of innocents going on now.....what is Putin's real objective.....is he trying to start WWIII.....at some point in time unless Putin backs off Biden and Congress and Europe are going to have to probably do the unspeakable......

the truly sad thing imo is how so many millions here in the US actually believe Putin to be some kind of hero

 

[Indydave]

Yes, I know I was correct in my statement, thank you.
But let's do it Biden's way and circle back in a month.

how do you think Trump would have handled this