"Kill Trump Supporters, Remove WW2 Murals, Praise Ingsoc!"

[dixon01767]

Sorry, I don't play those silly troll games. Anyone who cares can read your posts can see it for themselves.

Ill presume that for you, denying that the police are racist and shoot people because they are black, is fascism. Or was it my denial of the racism in the 1950s mural that is fascism.

 

[bomberfox]

What fascism from me? Quote the post. Or are you using the lefts definition of fascism which includes capitalism as the ultimate expression of fascism? I will continue to wave my fascism proudly.

I would say fascism tends to be a last ditch effort to preserve hierarchy from crumbling, it tends protect those in the dominant hierarchical system which has been capitalism for quite some time.

 

[bomberfox]

Netflix has an interesting documentary about capitalism...you should watch it.

Interesting fact about the US vs fascist countries is FDR decided to become a “class traitor” and make concessions with the working class whereas fascist countries squashed worker movements.

 

[dixon01767]

I would say fascism tends to be a last ditch effort to preserve hierarchy from crumbling, it tends protect those in the dominant hierarchical system which has been capitalism for quite some time.

??? "hierarchical system"? Are we referring to the black/white hierarchy?

 

[bomberfox]

??? "hierarchical system"? Are we referring to the black/white hierarchy?

Im not adding to support the accusation against you, more to add to what the ideology is. Thats one system the nazis and the klan were most known for wanting to preserve. The capitalist hierarchy over the worker in fascist systems became like lord and serf.

 

[dixon01767]

Interesting fact about the US vs fascist countries is FDR decided to become a “class traitor” and make concessions with the working class whereas fascist countries squashed worker movements.

Germany didn't squash the National Socialist German Workers' Party movement.

 

[bomberfox]

Germany didn't squash the National Socialist German Workers' Party movement.

Germany squashed workers movements across the board. The NSDAP protected the class hierarchy and the aristocracy which is why Hindenburg and rich capitalists openly supported the movement. They protected and boosted their profits with slave labor and ensured workers would never strike or rise up. That was part and parcel of their strategy to get around the treaty of versailles, privatization. Bayer and Krupp became obnoxiously wealthy under the third reich and Krupp only lost ownership of his business after the war.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Two stories in the last week involving the University of Rhode Island have highlighted victories for glorious Ingsoc groupthink.



Reinoehl's victim was Aaron Danielson, a 39 year old Trump supporter, who was not tied to any fascist movements or rhetoric.
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U of R.I agreed to remove 70 year old murals that depicted America's involvement in defeating fascism during WW2, because the 'murals didn't contain enough diversity'.

Nearly 70-year-old murals taken down at URI for lack of diversity | WJAR

Diversity is such a strength, that it must devour the non-diverse. The men who were previously regarded as The Greatest Generation for having crushed fascism in Europe as well as Japanese imperialism, are now going to be cast as history's villains, alongside the men memorialized in confederate statues and our founding fathers.

Hail this brave new world, and hail Ingsoc!

First, what the professor said was wrong. And that kid should not have been killed, for any reason. But here's the thing...you are getting riled up over this, which is fine...but people like you think that the protesters have it coming and should be shot by a white kid who is breaking the law/carrying a weapon to pretend that he is the police and trying to set law and order under vigilante justice, that it is morally okay for police to kill unarmed suspects who are detained because you discovered that the suspect might've had priors, that its okay to beat someone up at a Trump rally if they aren't a Trump supporter, the litany goes on and on. So, spare us your outrage, ok?

As far as the mural goes...IMHO its ugly as hell and should be replaced on that reason alone. It also doesn't depict African Americans contribution to the war and America in general which is the actual reason. I would think that you would be in favor of making sure that everyone who served in America's Greatest Generation, not just the ones who look like you. But to be honest, in the grand scheme of things, I can think of better things to be upset about...but I guess you snowflakes gotta have your victimhood....

 

[Jason Warfield]

Germany didn't squash the National Socialist German Workers' Party movement.

No...but they did squash labor unions and anyone suspected of being an actual socialist or communist. Oh, and btw, the capitalists in Nazi Germany made increases in profits under the Nazis because of what the Nazis did with most public ownership and public services: the Nazis government privatized them

That's right...I know you want to say they were socialists because its in the name and ignore the fact that the Nazi leadership are on record for stating that they did that to create a false flag...but what you cannot ignore is that privatization increased, production increased and at the beginning in the 30's and early 40's profits skyrocketed. In fact, many German capitalists came out of the war with their wealth intact. Like Farben and Krupp...who were also responsible for bailing out the NaziParty in the early 30's when they were about to file for bankruptcy.

BTW, you can look all of this up yourself. This is not fake news or whatever. What I just said above can referenced and crosschecked and I urge you to do so.

But I would also like to make another little point about your erroneous belief that the Nazis were outright socialists. Lets, for the sake of argument, pretend that you are right. I think it is a reasonable assumption that like me, you don't believe that socialism is a very good economic way to go. Then how would you explain how Germany became an industrial and economic powerhouse in Europe if socialism doesn't work and that you insist that the Nazis were actual socialists? You won't be able to...which means, that if you are correct, that the Nazis WERE in fact socialists...then according to YOUR logic...socialism was an outstanding success for Germany and failed only due to bad choices by an incompetent leader.

So, either you are correct in that the Nazis were socialists, therefore socialism works...or...you are not correct about Nazis being socialists, and that Germany was still a capitalist government, hence their early economic success which was ruined by poor decision making in the military by a man who had no business making them.

Which is it?

 

[dixon01767]

No...but they did squash labor unions and anyone suspected of being an actual socialist or communist. Oh, and btw, the capitalists in Nazi Germany made increases in profits under the Nazis because of what the Nazis did with most public ownership and public services: the Nazis government privatized them

That's right...I know you want to say they were socialists because its in the name and ignore the fact that the Nazi leadership are on record for stating that they did that to create a false flag...but what you cannot ignore is that privatization increased, production increased and at the beginning in the 30's and early 40's profits skyrocketed. In fact, many German capitalists came out of the war with their wealth intact. Like Farben and Krupp...who were also responsible for bailing out the NaziParty in the early 30's when they were about to file for bankruptcy.

BTW, you can look all of this up yourself. This is not fake news or whatever. What I just said above can referenced and crosschecked and I urge you to do so.

But I would also like to make another little point about your erroneous belief that the Nazis were outright socialists. Lets, for the sake of argument, pretend that you are right. I think it is a reasonable assumption that like me, you don't believe that socialism is a very good economic way to go. Then how would you explain how Germany became an industrial and economic powerhouse in Europe if socialism doesn't work and that you insist that the Nazis were actual socialists? You won't be able to...which means, that if you are correct, that the Nazis WERE in fact socialists...then according to YOUR logic...socialism was an outstanding success for Germany and failed only due to bad choices by an incompetent leader.

So, either you are correct in that the Nazis were socialists, therefore socialism works...or...you are not correct about Nazis being socialists, and that Germany was still a capitalist government, hence their early economic success which was ruined by poor decision making in the military by a man who had no business making them.

Which is it?

I am correct in that Germany didn't squash the National Socialist German Workers' Party movement. Like I said.

 

[Outlook]

Two stories in the last week involving the University of Rhode Island have highlighted victories for glorious Ingsoc groupthink.



Reinoehl's victim was Aaron Danielson, a 39 year old Trump supporter, who was not tied to any fascist movements or rhetoric.
---
U of R.I agreed to remove 70 year old murals that depicted America's involvement in defeating fascism during WW2, because the 'murals didn't contain enough diversity'.

Nearly 70-year-old murals taken down at URI for lack of diversity | WJAR

Diversity is such a strength, that it must devour the non-diverse. The men who were previously regarded as The Greatest Generation for having crushed fascism in Europe as well as Japanese imperialism, are now going to be cast as history's villains, alongside the men memorialized in confederate statues and our founding fathers.

Hail this brave new world, and hail Ingsoc!

This professor needs to be fired.
His students are probably the ones destroying businesses.
I would not be surprised if someone who listens to this jack ass shots a Trump supporter.

 

[joko104]

His surviving relatives should sue for libel. He was not a public figure so the professor would have to prove he is a "fascist" who deserved to die.

 

[bomberfox]

No...but they did squash labor unions and anyone suspected of being an actual socialist or communist. Oh, and btw, the capitalists in Nazi Germany made increases in profits under the Nazis because of what the Nazis did with most public ownership and public services: the Nazis government privatized them

That's right...I know you want to say they were socialists because its in the name and ignore the fact that the Nazi leadership are on record for stating that they did that to create a false flag...but what you cannot ignore is that privatization increased, production increased and at the beginning in the 30's and early 40's profits skyrocketed. In fact, many German capitalists came out of the war with their wealth intact. Like Farben and Krupp...who were also responsible for bailing out the NaziParty in the early 30's when they were about to file for bankruptcy.

BTW, you can look all of this up yourself. This is not fake news or whatever. What I just said above can referenced and crosschecked and I urge you to do so.

But I would also like to make another little point about your erroneous belief that the Nazis were outright socialists. Lets, for the sake of argument, pretend that you are right. I think it is a reasonable assumption that like me, you don't believe that socialism is a very good economic way to go. Then how would you explain how Germany became an industrial and economic powerhouse in Europe if socialism doesn't work and that you insist that the Nazis were actual socialists? You won't be able to...which means, that if you are correct, that the Nazis WERE in fact socialists...then according to YOUR logic...socialism was an outstanding success for Germany and failed only due to bad choices by an incompetent leader.

So, either you are correct in that the Nazis were socialists, therefore socialism works...or...you are not correct about Nazis being socialists, and that Germany was still a capitalist government, hence their early economic success which was ruined by poor decision making in the military by a man who had no business making them.

Which is it?

Actually i believe Krupp lost his company to nationalization after the war.
Krupp was stripped of all his property and business holdings and sentenced to 12 years in prison

How German Businesses Profited in Nazi Germany | ADL

Many apolitical businessmen used the Nazis' persecution of the Jews as an opportunity to profit due to widespread anti-Semitism and German patriotism.

www.adl.org

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I'm certainly not standing here saying they were treated well at all times. My point is that the "greatest generation" was not uniformly WASPy.

Oh heck no they weren't. Look, it's no mystery that any group like this has cliques and lesser tribes and what not.
No different than high school as long as one overlooks the fact that everyone's life is on the line 24/7 (sarcasm)

You know, talking to these old ones, which I've had the honor and privilege to do many times, you get a sense of how many evolved as a result of serving together in wartime, and most of them did indeed do just that. Sometimes I embarrass or shock my wife when we talk to some of them at the VA.
I ask questions I bet a lot of them haven't heard in a long time, and for the most part they're happy to respond.
Some went into the service feeling one way and emerged feeling completely different, on many issues, and race is no exception.
You get a wry grin sometimes from a few of them, like when they say that before going in the service they'd never even met a black person, or a Jewish person, or any number of ethnic people, and they talk about how they got to know them, learn about the kind of lives they led growing up.

But then you run up against slow moving policy borne of bureaucracy, and you run up against closed minds up at the higher levels.
It's not so much that the soldiers couldn't figure out how to get along. When pressed to, they had to adapt.
The brass maintained the barriers, it is they who enforced nonsensical policy.
Individual airmen did not try to prevent the "Negro" airmen from training and flying, some pencil pushing top brass put up that fight, mostly in Washington.

Individual grunts from the hinterlands might have been taught by their elders that Jews had horns that they had to shave daily, but those same grunts learned quickly that this was a myth. When I say my father was treated like crap, I am not so much referring to the individuals he served with on the ground. Indeed, they valued the fact that he was adept at radio communications and was a native German speaker.
He ran into issues dealing with individual higher-ups who carried their bigotry to their desks.

But your point is very well taken.