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Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests

Yes, and lmao you need to get out more

Rushed for time, today. That statement has already been made. I have been out quite a bit, and the only lesbians I have ever seen would stop a Mack truck. No loss there.
 
Boohoo something doesn't suite my way of thinking, so it must be wrong, or biased in nature because gays are evil end of major sarcasm
 
Would you also make that declaration about fundamentalist Muslims who are stuck in the Stone Age as well?

That picture appears to be staged. Lesbians tend to be extremely homely. Good looking babes like that don't tend to be lesbians.

Yes.

And your second statement is so untrue.
 
On paper the study seems legit. 4 different interviews throughout the lifespan of the child is extremely important in gathering a basic psychological profile of the child. So from that perspective, this study does go above and beyond most.

What we do not know was what the questions were, were the interviews 1 on 1 or were the parents involved and what role if any the folks providing the funding played.

But to conclude that a child does not require both genders in the home as parents is wishful thinking for some on the left.

NLLFS 1. Interviews With Prospective Mothers National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, lesbian mothers, lesbian families, lesbian family study
Intention:
The current study was designed to provide longitudinal, descriptive data on a population of lesbian families in which the children were conceived by Dl. Interviews with biological mothers (hereafter referred to as birthmothers)-and, if they planned joint parenting, with their partners (comothers)-were undertaken prospectively when they were pregnant or being inseminated with the index child. The aim was to learn about the homes, families, and communities into which the children were to be born. The five main topics and the research questions they sought to address were:

1. Parental relationships. Among participants who were coupled, were the relationships relatively cohesive and enduring? Did couples plan to share the parenting equally? Among participants who were single, what were the expectations for future relationships?

2. Social supports. What types of social supports did subjects expect? From whom was support anticipated; families of origin, lesbian/gay friends, sperm donors, others?

3. Pregnancy motivations and preferences. How long had participants been thinking about or planning to have a child? Did they have preferences with respect to the gender of the prospective child? What choices had they made about donors, and why? When the donor was known, what factors influenced choices about his involvement with the child?

4. Stigmatization. Did concerns about stigma influence study participants' decisions and, if so, how? How did participants conceptualize the varieties of stigma they and their children might face? What sorts of potential stigma were of greatest concern to the prospective mothers in this sample?

5. Coping strategies. Did participants anticipate being openly lesbian parents or did they plan to remain closeted?

The questions were designed to provide the type of information that participants themselves might like to have had before they embarked on motherhood. In addition, the findings should be useful to professionals in a variety of disciplines-health and mental health, sociology, feminist studies, education, ethics, public policy, law-who are increasingly likely to be consulted by lesbians on matters pertaining to motherhood.

Procedure:
Semistructured Interview

A semistructured interview schedule was developed through pilot testing. Questions were open-ended and follow-up probes were included in the instrument. Interviews were designed to begin with the least sensitive material, i.e., the demographics summarized above. Duration of the interviews ranged from 1-3 hours. In addition to concurrent written reports of participant responses recorded by the interviewer, the sessions were audiotaped as backup. Interviews were supplemented by self-report questionnaires.

The interview assessed eight areas of decision-making and aspirations regarding motherhood. The segments on decision-making covered the anticipated effects of becoming a mother on daily living (e.g., scheduling, free time), friendship patterns, personal relationships (with current or future partners), career choices, family of origin, political involvement, and overall satisfaction. Legal, financial, and medical/health concerns were also addressed. In addition, questions assessed selected aspects of lesbian identity, relationships, family definitions, and "outness." Taken together, responses to these segments addressed the five main topics of this research, which will be elaborated on below in the results section.

That's just from the first interview.

The others:

T2: NLLFS 2. Interviews With Mothers of Toddlers National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, lesbian mothers, lesbian families, lesbian family study
Procedure

The T2 interview took place when the index children were two years old. Birthmothers and co-mothers were interviewed separately in their homes, or by telephone if they had moved out of the three original metropolitan areas. The research plan calls for subsequent interviews with the mothers at designated intervals, when the index child is five, ten, 17, and 25 years old. If permission is granted, the children, too, will be interviewed at ages ten, 17, and 25.

Semistructured Interview

The semistructured, 221-item T2 interview was modified from the T1 instrument to include inquiries about pregnancy and motherhood experiences. Questions were open-ended; they began with the least sensitive material (demographics) and proceeded to more affective material (family conflicts). Interviews ranged from one to three hours in duration.

The T2 questionnaire assessed 11 areas of motherhood experiences. These included the effects of motherhood on relationships, careers, time management, family of origin, political involvement, and overall satisfaction. Legal, financial, and health concerns were also addressed. In addition, questions assessed selected aspects of lesbian identity, family definition, and being out.


T3: NLLFS 3. Interviews With Mothers of Five-Year-Olds National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, lesbian mothers, lesbian families, lesbian family study
Procedure

The T3 interview was conducted when the index children were five years old. Birthmothers and co-mothers were interviewed separately in their homes or by telephone. The research protocol calls for subsequent interviews with the mothers when the index child is 10 years (T4), 17 years (T5), and 25 years (T6) old. If permission is granted, the children, too, will be interviewed at T4, T5, and T6.

Since continuity is critical to a longitudinal study of this nature, participants are contacted twice annually to verify their addresses and telephone numbers. They are also sent copies of NLFS publications, and encouraged to provide feedback about each phase of the project.

Semi-Structured Interview

The semi-structured, 184-item T3 interview was modified from the T2 instrument so that questions appropriate for mothers of five-year-old children could be included. The questions were open-ended and began with the least sensitive material (e.g., demographic), and proceeded to more affective material (e.g., family conflicts). Because most participants had difficulty finding time for the interviews once their children were born, efforts were made to limit the number of questions after T1. The average duration of the T3 interviews, which were yet more streamlined than those of T2, was one hour.

The T3 questionnaire assessed six areas of motherhood experience: health status, parenting experiences, relationship issues, support systems, educational choices, and discrimination concerns. Under the topic of health concerns, the mothers were asked to comment on the index child's health and development, family health status, their own utilization of mental health services, and their own substance use history. Questions concerning parenting experiences and relationship issues focused on the pleasures and stresses of raising children with continuous partners, with divorced co-parents, or alone. Regarding support systems, participants provided information about acceptance by their family of origin, their neighborhood, and the lesbian community. In the section on secular and spiritual education, the mothers discussed school choices and spiritual training for their children. Finally, they were queried about the impact of homophobia on their families.

At the end of the interview, the interviewers rated each family's overall level of functioning on a scale of 1-5 (with 1=low, 5=high), based on a quality of life assessment, since T2. For assigning a score to each family, the interviewers were instructed to utilize diagnostic skills comparable to those reporting a Global Assessment of Functioning score (DSM-IV) in an individual mental health evaluation.

T4: NLLFS 4. Interviews With Mothers of Ten-Year-Olds National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, lesbian mothers, lesbian families, lesbian family study
Procedure

The T4 interviews were conducted with the index children when they were 10 years old. The children were interviewed by telephone after the questionnaire had been discussed with their mothers. Additionally, the mothers were interviewed separately by telephone. Each mother also completed a Child Behavior Checklist/4-18 (CBCL) (Achenbach, 1991). The research protocol calls for subsequent interviews with the mothers and children when the index children are 17 (T5) and 25 (T6) years old. Approval for the NLFS has been granted by the Institutional Review Board at the California Pacific Medical Center in San Francisco.

To maintain continuity in a longitudinal study of this nature, participants are contacted annually for address and telephone number verification. They are also sent copies of NLFS publications and encouraged to provide feedback about the project.

Child Interview

The 10-item open-ended questionnaire was designed to assess the child's feelings about growing up in a lesbian household and about her or his experiences of homophobia. The first item asked the child to describe what was special about having a lesbian mom. The remaining items addressed the child's experiences of and responses to homophobia.

Mother Interview

The semistructured, 70-item, open-ended T4 questionnaire was modified from the T2 and T3 instruments so that questions appropriate for mothers of 10-year-old children could be included (Gartrell et al., 1999, 2000). The T4 questionnaire assessed six areas of motherhood experience: health status, parenting experiences, relationship issues, support systems, educational choices, and discrimination concerns. Questions about health concerns focused on the index child's health and development, family health status, the mother's use of mental health services, and the mother's substance use history. Under the topic of parenting experiences and relationships, the mothers were asked to comment on the pleasures and stresses of raising children with continuous partners, with the children's stepparents, as divorced coparents, or alone. In the section on support systems, the mothers were queried about acceptance by their family of origin and the lesbian community. Regarding secular education and spiritual practices, participants provided information about school choices and spiritual training for their children. The mothers also discussed the impact of homophobia on their family. The average duration of the T4 mother interviews was 1 hour.
 
The funding will of course raise questions about the study. Other studies have found that two parents is preferable to one, no matter the genders of those parents. CC has the links to some great stuff on this.
CC? Cannabis Culture? :rofl

Gender is irrelevant to parenthood.
According to who?

Would you also make that declaration about fundamentalist Muslims who are stuck in the Stone Age as well?
Relevance?

That picture appears to be staged. Lesbians tend to be extremely homely. Good looking babes like that don't tend to be lesbians.
It's not the most ignorant thing I've read but it's in the top 100.
Yes a person's preference of genitalia is irrelaven t to ones ability to parent

What is not, is having loving parents who care for the child and each other.

Given that women tend to be more nuturing towards childern then men are, having two female parents will typically mean having two parents deeply involved in the childs life rather then one
Kind of odd that your last sentence contradicts your first sentence...

Now THAT is bias. There's not a woman on this earth that is more nurturing to their kids than I am. I know of a TON of bad moms.
Your narcissism aside, your statement is ridiculous and unprovable but instinctively suspect.
I know a TON of bad fathers... *face palm*

The woman on the right looks like she would/could be lesbian, the one on the left not as much

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Of course, children raised by lesbians don't cause problems. Without any role of masculinity present in the home, the male children grow up effeminate and weak.
Are you TRYING to occupy all the slots in the top 100 stupid statements or are you just doing a Colbert? :rofl:rofl
But to conclude that a child does not require both genders in the home as parents is wishful thinking for some on the left.
According to who?
Rushed for time, today. That statement has already been made. I have been out quite a bit, and the only lesbians I have ever seen would stop a Mack truck. No loss there.

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Well there went another interesting thread...
 
Do you think funding affects the bias of this or any other study?
It can certainly raise an eyebrow. When the funding comes from "several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups" and when the author herself is a lesbian, people will be naturally skeptical.

There really aren't a lot of details on the study, and I don't have access to the journal - but we do know that the claim of "fewer behavioral problems" comes from a self-selected, self-reporting sample of predominantly middle-aged, white women who actively sought adoptions - oh yeah, and who happen to be lesbians.

Don't know how we get to "kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems" from that tangled mess, but maybe someone can post the study.
 
78 couples!

Oh boy. That settles it for me. 78 couples.
 
Kind of odd that your last sentence contradicts your first sentence...

Not at all contradictory

Gender of the parent does tend to play are role in which parent is going to be more nuturing, that a parent might perfer a penis or a vagina does not.
 
It can certainly raise an eyebrow. When the funding comes from "several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups" and when the author herself is a lesbian, people will be naturally skeptical.

There really aren't a lot of details on the study, and I don't have access to the journal - but we do know that the claim of "fewer behavioral problems" comes from a self-selected, self-reporting sample of predominantly middle-aged, white women who actively sought adoptions - oh yeah, and who happen to be lesbians.

Don't know how we get to "kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems" from that tangled mess, but maybe someone can post the study.

Publications from the National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, lesbian mothers, lesbian families, lesbian family study
Our Funders and Supporters, National Longitudinal Lesbian Family Study, lesbian mothers, lesbian families, lesbian family study
 
So how many hetero couples did they include?

It wasn't a study of hetero couples. It was a study of lesbian couples.

If you want hetero couple studies, there's a whole ****load of them all over the place.
 
I saw some of the older stuff - they're not making similar comparisons there. No link to the study in the OP. But note that most of the published work relating to this dataset is in low-tier journals. These are the journals that are targeted when the study isn't of sufficient rigor to be published elsewhere.

Pediatrics has a better reputation, would be interesting to look at that study.
 
It wasn't a study of hetero couples. It was a study of lesbian couples.
They're attempting to draw a comparison, and therefore need to be careful in matching samples.
 
They're attempting to draw a comparison, and therefore need to be careful in matching samples.

I doubt the initial reason that this study was started wasn't to draw comparisons to with hetero parents to gay parents. It was to see if kids raised with gay parents are hurt by the fact that they are gay. And the study shows that it doesn't
 
I doubt the initial reason that this study was started wasn't to draw comparisons to with hetero parents to gay parents. It was to see if kids raised with gay parents are hurt by the fact that they are gay. And the study shows that it doesn't

lol No it doesn't. It shows this select group of people apparently are. But we don't even have the study to verify the findings or the pool of people selected.
 
I doubt the initial reason that this study was started wasn't to draw comparisons to with hetero parents to gay parents. It was to see if kids raised with gay parents are hurt by the fact that they are gay. And the study shows that it doesn't
You can't determine if they're "hurt" without some sort of comparison.
 
Are you debating something I said?

No, I was giving you information you said you were lacking. Types of questions, how they were interviewed, etc.

They're attempting to draw a comparison, and therefore need to be careful in matching samples.
It would appear that their intent was to assess if children of lesbian couples grew up "okay". "Okay" and "well adjusted" have already been defined.

You can't determine if they're "hurt" without some sort of comparison.

We already know what "hurt" means.
 
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We already know what "hurt" means.
Then by all means, define it for us.

Explain to us how you can make the claim that "Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems" without drawing a comparison.

This is not rocket science, folks.
 
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Would you also make that declaration about fundamentalist Muslims who are stuck in the Stone Age as well?

That picture appears to be staged. Lesbians tend to be extremely homely. Good looking babes like that don't tend to be lesbians.

Stereotype much?

Or are you jealous that Ellen's wife is hotter than yours?
 
Of course, children raised by lesbians don't cause problems. Without any role of masculinity present in the home, the male children grow up effeminate and weak.

And more stereotypes.

First - the women are homely and manly. But then they raise week, effeminate boys.

For crap's sake. Do you get your views of the world from cartoons?

I mean, I watched TALLADEGA NIGHTS yesterday, but I know that it's not a documentary about the lives of the people of the South.
 
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