Kerry: This wouldn't have happened If I was Pres! (1 Viewer)

[easyt65]

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Kerry knocks Bush on handling of Mideast conflict
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060723/UPDATE/607230360
The Detroit News

U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D- Mass., who was in town Sunday to help Gov. Jennifer Granholm campaign for her re-election bid, took time to take a jab at the Bush administration for its lack of leadership in the Israeli-Lebanon onflict.

"If I was president, this wouldn't have happened," said Kerry during a noon stop at Honest John's bar and grill in Detroit's Cass Corridor. "Bush has been so concentrated on the war in Iraq that other Middle East tension arose as a result," he said.

REALLY? So, according to the delusional Mr. Kerry, had he been elected President instead of Pres. Bush been RE-elected:

1. ...Palestenians would have moved into the Gaza Strip, relinquished by Israel in an attempt to foster peace, but would NOT have brought in all those weapons and terrorists?

2. ...Palestenians would NOT have conducted a cross-border raid to kidnap an Israeli soldier....

3. ...Hezbollah would not have conducted a cross-border raid to kidnap 2 Israeli soldiers....

4. ...the U.N. would have personally seen to Resolution 1559 back in 2001 which called for the dis-armament of the Hezbolla Terrorists, thereby eliminating the THOUSANDS of rockets the terrorists have been threating Israel with and firing at Israel from Lebanon...

5. ...Syria and Iran would not be arming, supplying, manning, and funding a terrorist organization intent on the destruction of Israel - which has also attacked Israel continuously in order to attain that goal.....

6. ...Lebanon would be a true democratic country instead of a puppet goverment/country inhabited and controlled/run by a terrorist organization....

7. ...A new state of tolerance and acceptance would have swept through the middle east, disarming the militant Islamic extremists and terrorists of their hatred for anyone non-Muslim, specifically Israel, and everyone would be sitting around a fireside singing 'Kumbaya' and swapping stories of Alla, Mohammed, and Jesus.....

8. ...12 years of U.N. sponsored black marketing would not have happened and billion$ of Iraqi people's money would not have been stolen by the U.N. and its leader because they would have actually worked together to deal with Hussein instead of propping him up in order to make personal profits...


Well, we all know Kerry is full of Shi-ite, but let's look at a little history for proof instead of just taking my word for it, shall we:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20060719/cm_usatoday/nowisntthetimeforrestraint

History shows that Israeli concessions to the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas terrorist alliance have consistently resulted in their enemies preparing for the next attack. These terrorists have been attacking with increased capability, brutality, and violence aimed at civilians. This latest conflict is only the latest cycle in an ongoing 58-year campaign to destroy Israel. (Correct me if I am wrong, but President George Walker Bush has NOT been in office for 58 years!?!)

In 2000, the Israelis withdrew from southern Lebanon, creating an opportunity for peace. Instead of peace, for six years Iran, Syria and Hezbollah moved more than 10,000 missiles into the vacated area. More recently, the Israelis withdrew from Gaza to provide another circumstance for peace and an opportunity for a self-governing Palestinian people to work toward creating a place of prosperity, but instead Hamas created a place of terror. Now Israel is the target of more than 1,000 missiles from both Gaza and southern Lebanon in the past week alone.

Iranian involvement is not in question. There are at least 100 Iranian guards in southern Lebanon. Apparently, it was an Iranian missile fired with Iranian know-how that hit an Israeli warship.



And Kerry is declaring none of this would have happened had he been President!

What a friggin' Joke! :rofl

 

[::Major_Baker::]

guess we'll never know now, will we!
It could be considered just as foolish to state that all this would have happened, right?

 

[easyt65]

guess we'll never know now, will we!

We'll never know?

None of this could have been influenced by us!

Once Israel handed over the Gaza Strip, we had ZERO influence and could not dictate to the Palestenians what/who they could and could not bring in with them! Not even Kerry would have had that kind of influence.

Once Israel left Lebanon, we had no control over the cockroaches that filled the void! Again, it is ridiculous to say Kerry would have had that power.

We have ZERO control over the intolerance and depth of hatred Islamic Extremists have for non-muslims, and specifically for Israel. As I said, this conflict has been going on for over 58 years, and better men than John F Kerry - from both parties - have tried to intervene for the sake of peace and have failed!

So don't give me this cr@p about 'we'll never know if things would have been better under Kerry, that none of this would have happened had he been President'! John Kerry was the biggest advocate for the U.N. prior to the Iraq war, going so far as to get burnt by public opinion by (debatable) saying he would almost give the U.N. the power to decide if we could take action to defend ourselves! He preached on letting the U.N. do its job....only to be exposed as a naieve idiot for thinking so once the Food for Oil scandal and 12 years of U.N.-funded blackmarketing (privately breaking every U.N. sanction they had publicly passed during that time) broke.

Kerry believed the U.N. was the end-all, be-all, and not only could do the job but should be given leave to do so. Well, the U.N. screwed the Israelis and Lebonese just as much as they did the Iraqi people -- Yeah, they passed Resolution 1559 which called for Hezbolla to be disarmed back in 2001, but they gave that responsibility to Lebanon, a country that was over-run by, infested with, and controlled by Syria and Hezbolla. Instead of helping Lebanon, they abandoned them to the whim of Syria and Hezbollah, and, in turn, turned their back on Israel to allow the attacks, murder, and terrorism to continue. THIS is the U.N. Kerry whloe-heartedly supported. If anything, things would have been WORSE under Kerry, who would have given the U.N. even more free reign to do whatever (damage) they wanted to do!

 

[::Major_Baker::]

We have ZERO control over the intolerance and depth of hatred Islamic Extremists have for non-muslims

Oh but I think we do. The war in Iraq has certainly not improved our perception in the muslim world.

Like I said, we'll never know--which events had influence on which other events.
Global politics is not an isolated series of events. It is dynamic, and easily ties to other decision and actions.

 

[easyt65]

Oh but I think we do. The war in Iraq has certainly not improved our perception in the muslim world.

Like I said, we'll never know--which events had influence on which other events.
Global politics is not an isolated series of events. It is dynamic, and easily ties to other decision and actions.

Our 'perception' in the world will always be negative as we are hated by Islamic Muslims, primarily because we preach/export tolerance and democracy.

Our 'perception' among the U.N., France, China, and Russia will always be negative because we more often than not do the right thing, refuse to screw over victims for personal profit by ripping them off for millions, running black market scams and oil-for-food scandals while propping up the dictators that are raping, torturing, and killing their own people.

As far as the 'we'll never know' comment -

We do know that we interceded on behalf of the U.N. and the terrorist Palestenians, Syrians, and Iranians, demanding ISRAEL do the right thing, to use disproportionate restraint, to back down, continue to allow the suicide bombings, to allow the cross-border raids, and to allow the shelling of its country for the last 40-50 years in the name of peace. Israel has gone along with it, giving up Gaza and more only to keep getting attacked. Israel has listened to us, has allowed the U.N. the opportunity to do its job - the EXACT thing Kerry has proposed, the exact thing Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, and Clinton proposed and did......and the violence continues.

By staying completely out of the situation, as bush has - the "1st President to do such a thing", as it is being reported on most news channels - we are out of the equation, there is no Anti-American sentiment in the equation, and for the 1st time much of the Arab world is actually on Israel's side, condemning Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran!

Meanwhile. Kerry, Madeline Albright, Putin, Chirac, and the U.N. are demanding that the U.S. butt in and come to the aid of the Terrorists, to negotiate with the terrorists for a ceasefire! Our influence - our previous intervention reulting in cease fire after ceasefire - has only provided the terrorists with opportunities to get stronger, to build back afther each Israeli attack they conducted in an effort to defend themselves, and to gain territory and more weapons from which and with which to continue to wage this 58+ year war against Israel!

Seems to me letting Israel finally make its own decisions and staying out of it is the best thing we can do! Israel is clearing out Hezbollah from Lebanon, doing the U.N.'s and Lebanon's job, diminishing Syria and Iran's influence and reach/threat to Israel, and creating a buffer against their enemies. THAT is what NEEDS to be done - not a ceasefire, and Israel is tired of waiting for someone else to do it!

Kerry can no more suggest thathe would have done anything to prevent what is going on than I can say I would have prevented the attack on Pearl Harbor had I been alive and President back then.

Had Kerry been President and actively pursed diplomacy, like every President since Carter, he would be negotiating with terrorists right now for a cease fire, and this would amount to us comming to the rescue of Hezbollah, the terrorists who started all this to begin with! (As I said, Madeline Albright has already (seemingly) spoken for the Democratic Party saying that is exactly what we should do!)

 

[::Major_Baker::]

look, you are making some valid points, but quit wasting so much time on this. The only thing I was trying to say is that it is just as foolish to claim that certain events would have happened under a certain set of circumstances, as it is to claim they would not have happened.

You just don't know either way, and neither does John Kerry.

 

[easyt65]

look, you are making some valid points, but quit wasting so much time on this. The only thing I was trying to say is that it is just as foolish to claim that certain events would have happened under a certain set of circumstances, as it is to claim they would not have happened.

You just don't know either way, and neither does John Kerry.

Actually there is about 45+ years of proof that tell us exactly what would have happened had Pro-U.N. Kerry become President and worked on solving Israel's problem - that was my point! HISTORY! You can say 'you don't know' all you want, but I DO know that there is not one man alive today who can eliminate the Islamic Extremists hatred for Israel. there is no man alive today who can convince - FORCE - Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah to give up their stance/goal of the destruction of Israel. For years we have been negotiating with Islamic Extremists and terrorists, all the while putting pressure on Israel to use restrain and to put up with the continued 58+ years of attacks on them by terrorists.

Unless Kerry was going to 'turn Israel loose' and stay out of the way (which is highly unlikely), HISTORY was bound to repeat itself, as it has for the last 4-5 Previous Presidents.

 

[Alex]

I do not believe Kerry or Bush could have known any of this would happen and I do not believe that any of our politicians are really responsible. Sure they throw most of their support to Israel, but they cannot absolutely control actions.

I have to wonder if nothing but an all out war is going to end the issues in the Middle East. Hasn't everything else been attempted (even war)? Hasn't this been going on since the end of WWI with it only seeming to get worst? Israel is not willing to admit that the land probably belongs to the Palestinians and Palestine has used every diplomatic means it can to regain it. Maybe war with zero sum is the only answer.

 

[easyt65]

Israel is not willing to admit that the land probably belongs to the Palestinians and Palestine has used every diplomatic means it can to regain it. Maybe war with zero sum is the only answer.

Palestine has used ever NON-diplomatic mean as well.

Israel attacking Hezbollah is the best thing, in a way, for peace than all the negotiating right now.

1. You can't negotiate with terrorists, especially after they conduct a cross-border raid to kidnap your soldiers to use for blackmail/negotiating tools!

2. Lebanon is infested with Hezbollah terrorists as well as Iranian Guard and Syrian troops. Lebanon is no where near being a diplomatic goverment but is rather a puppet goverment and a staging ground for Iranian/Syrian/terrorists attacks against Israel. It need to be completely cleared out, the Iranians, Syrians, and terrorists made to leave. No one is going to do it EXCEPT ISRAEL!

3. The U.N. is useless! They passed 1559 calling for the disarmament of Hezbollah then did nothing, as usual. They now TALK about negotiating with the terrorists for a ceasefire so everything can go back the way it has for the last 58 years, a less direct confrontation of cntinued violent terrorist attacks against Israel who are always forced to roll over and use restraint! Pardopn my French, but $CREW THAT! In the meantime, the U.N. that has told us to mind our own business in foreign affairs is now demanding that we come to Hezzbollah's - the terrorist group's - rescue by reigning Israel in!

4. Syria is demanding to be part of the negotiations to end this when they are one of the biggest reasons this has been going on for 50+ years, supplying, arming, funding, and manning Hezbollah and their continued attacks against Israel. They should be made to be part of this negotiation all right, as a defendant in the case of continued attacks against Israel and for supporting a terrorist group. U.N. sanctions should come down HARD on Syria for their part in 'enslaving' Lebanon and using it as a military base from which to attack Israel! No one is going to do that though, especially the U.N. The answer to their request to be part of the negotiation process should be strapped to the nose of bomb AND DROPPED IN DOWNTOWN DAMASCUS BY ISRAEL, warning them to STOP or ELSE!

Negotiating with terrorists has not worked for the last 50+ years. Israel is doing what needs to be done for their security, to free lebanon, to diminish Syria's hold on the region, to weaken/minimalize/eliminate a huge terrorist threat to the region and world, and to weaken/put Iran on notice!

 

[disneydude]

Easy:

You must live in a bubble. It's amazing to me that you cannot understand that what is going on in Lebanon and Israel is a direct result of GWB's foreign policy. I know that a lot of Bush apologists refuse to see it, but GWB's foreign policy has destabilzed the middle east and has energized these political insurgent groups. Bush has put Israel in a much more vulnerable position today than it was 6 years ago.
Would some of these things happened anyway? Who knows. I do believe, however, that if Kerry were President (as he rightfully should be) there would not be the levels of hostility and aggression that we see today because he would not have the same short-sighted foreign policy toward the region that Bush does.
Nancy Reagan said "Just say no". Bush's foreign policy seems to be "Just don't look - and maybe it will all just go away".