Kerry revives 2004 election allegations (1 Viewer)

[Goobieman]

Kerry revives 2004 election allegations

Sen. John Kerry didn't contest the results at the time, but now that he's considering another run for the White House, he's alleging election improprieties by the Ohio Republican who oversaw the deciding vote in 2004.

An e-mail will be sent to 100,000 Democratic donors Tuesday asking them to support U.S. Rep. Ted Strickland for governor of Ohio. The bulk of the e-mail criticizes Strickland's opponent, GOP Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, for his dual role in 2004 as President Bush's honorary Ohio campaign co-chairman and the state's top election official.

"He used the power of his state office to try to intimidate Ohioans and suppress the Democratic vote," said Kerry's e-mail.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/28/D8JPNR480.html

Anyone wonder why Kerry is doing this?
I mean, other than he's a Sore Loserman?

Answer:
Blackwell is a black conservative running for governor.

 

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/08/28/D8JPNR480.html

Anyone wonder why Kerry is doing this?
I mean, other than he's a Sore Loserman?

Answer:
Blackwell is a black conservative running for governor.

It was wholly inappropriate to have Blackwell oversee the voting in Ohio, although it was just a repeat of what happened in Florida. It's so good to see how well Katharine Harris's campaign is going in Florida! :lol:

Seriously, someone who campaigned for George Bush so passionately should not have had the possition that Blackwell had. There is an appearance of impropriety.

 

[BWG]

But yet, the cons say that Judge Diggs Taylor had a conflict of interest because she served as Secretary and Trustee for the Community Foundation for Southeastern Michigan (CFSEM), who gave money to the ACLU (one of many non-profit organizations they gave to) to hire lawyers to represent CFSEM clients...LOL. Silly cons :lol:

 

[Goobieman]

It was wholly inappropriate to have Blackwell oversee the voting in Ohio, although it was just a repeat of what happened in Florida. It's so good to see how well Katharine Harris's campaign is going in Florida! :lol:

Seriously, someone who campaigned for George Bush so passionately should not have had the possition that Blackwell had. There is an appearance of impropriety.

Blackwell is Ohio's elected Secty of state, who by law oversees the elections.

If Blackwell had been a Dem, campaigning for Kerry - you'd say the same thing?

Rather than raise broad, unsupportable charges of partisanship -- which is all Kerry is doing -- why dont you raise specific charges of specific illegal acts undertaken by Mr. Blackwell.

 

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Blackwell is Ohio's elected Secty of state, who by law oversees the elections.

Then he had no business campaigning for Bush.

If Blackwell had been a Dem, campaigning for Kerry - you'd say the same thing?

Yes, it would make me uncomfortable. There is an appearance of impropriety under this kind of circumstance.

Rather than raise broad, unsupportable charges of partisanship -- which is all Kerry is doing -- why dont you raise specific charges of specific illegal acts undertaken by Mr. Blackwell.

Objectively, it raises an appearance of impropriety.

 

[Goobieman]

Then he had no business campaigning for Bush.

There's nothing in Ohio, or as far as I know, any other state, that forbids this.
Apparntly, the people of Ohio, and of those other states, are OK with it.

Objectively, it raises an appearance of impropriety.

Tell me:
Of all the states with Democrats overseeing the election, how many has Kerry complained about?

 

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There's nothing in Ohio, or as far as I know, any other state, that forbids this.
Apparntly, the people of Ohio, and of those other states, are OK with it.

Who cares that the people in Ohio think? They were not running for president.

Tell me:
Of all the states with Democrats overseeing the election, how many has Kerry complained about?

Ohio was a very close call.

 

[Goobieman]

Who cares that the people in Ohio think? They were not running for president.

Its their election law. They say that its OK for the Secty of State to campaign for someone. Your opinion here doesnt mean much.

Ohio was a very close call.

So?
Of all the states with Democrats overseeing the election, how many has Kerry complained about?

 

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Its their election law. They say that its OK for the Secty of State to campaign for someone. Your opinion here doesnt mean much.


So?
Of all the states with Democrats overseeing the election, how many has Kerry complained about?

LOL Goobieman, this is going nowhere. I stand by my opinion and don't care if it doesn't mean much to anyone. This is MY opinion.

I have no idea, and frankly, I don't care.

 

[Goobieman]

LOL Goobieman, this is going nowhere. I stand by my opinion and don't care if it doesn't mean much to anyone. This is MY opinion.

Well, unless you can show that Blackwell violated the election law of the state of OH, all you're doing is complaining.

I have no idea, and frankly, I don't care.

You should.
This doesnt have a THING to do with problems with the OH election, it has everythig to do with baseless attacks on a Conservative black man.

 

[aquapub]

It was wholly inappropriate to have Blackwell oversee the voting in Ohio, although it was just a repeat of what happened in Florida. It's so good to see how well Katharine Harris's campaign is going in Florida! :lol:

Seriously, someone who campaigned for George Bush so passionately should not have had the possition that Blackwell had. There is an appearance of impropriety.

Funny how you people can't grasp the inherent conflict of interest in having the news media run by 90% liberals, many of whom are even former liberal operatives, but when a conservative loosely connected to Bush is in charge of a state's presidential voting (Secretery of State), you are all about propriety, ethics, and alleging conspiracies. :lol:

 

[aquapub]

Then he had no business campaigning for Bush. Yes, it would make me uncomfortable. There is an appearance of impropriety under this kind of circumstance.

Coming from the same person who still defends the New York Times for calling terrorist cells to warn them that the FBI was coming, and for needlessly revealing the inner-workings of a classified anti-terror program?


Yeah, you're all about what's appropriate. :lol:

 

[Navy Pride]

It was wholly inappropriate to have Blackwell oversee the voting in Ohio, although it was just a repeat of what happened in Florida. It's so good to see how well Katharine Harris's campaign is going in Florida! :lol:

Seriously, someone who campaigned for George Bush so passionately should not have had the possition that Blackwell had. There is an appearance of impropriety.

Every state has either a republican or a democrat as its attoney general and in Florida all the counties that were in dispute were run by democrats.......

How do you propose doing it?

 

[aquapub]

So let me get this straight...all the lawsuits from the left have been laughed out of court, there is no evidence of any wrong doing, no facts to support any claim that Blackwell did anything wrong or tried to disenfranchise his fellow blacks. There is nothing to base any of this on except the appearance of one politician being on the same side as another while in an important position. How unheard of. That NEVER happens in politics...and Kerry is pressing on with the conspiracy theories because...?

Like I said, liberals operate on hysteria and conspiracy theories, not facts, evidence or substance. I rest my case. :lol:

 

[Navy Pride]

This is just sour grapes by Kerry.........In the future any election that Republicans win Democrats will call fould play............They can't win national elections now so all they have is their talking points............

 

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Coming from the same person who still defends the New York Times for calling terrorist cells to warn them that the FBI was coming, and for needlessly revealing the inner-workings of a classified anti-terror program?


Yeah, you're all about what's appropriate. :lol:

What does the NYT have to do with a conflict of interest by Blackwell or an appearance of impropriety?

 

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Funny how you people can't grasp the inherent conflict of interest in having the news media run by 90% liberals, many of whom are even former liberal operatives, but when a conservative loosely connected to Bush is in charge of a state's presidential voting (Secretery of State), you are all about propriety, ethics, and alleging conspiracies. :lol:

What kind of comparison is this? Are you serious? LOL

 

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Well what do you know? Preliminary review of the ballots in Ohio show some discrepancies. I can't believe this! *sarcasm*

Ohio to Delay Destruction of Presidential Ballots
By IAN URBINA

With paper ballots from the 2004 presidential election in Ohio scheduled to be destroyed next week, the secretary of state in Columbus, under pressure from critics, said yesterday that he would move to delay the destruction at least for several months.

Since the election, questions have been raised about how votes were tallied in Ohio, a battleground state that helped deliver the election to President Bush over Senator John Kerry.

The critics, including an independent candidate for governor and a team of statisticians and lawyers, say preliminary results from their ballot inspections show signs of more widespread irregularities than previously known. . . .

“This is not about Mr. Kerry or Mr. Bush or who should be president,’’ said Bill Goodman, legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a New York group that is part of the lawsuit. “This is about figuring out what is not working in our election system and ensuring that every cast vote counts.

“There is a gap between the numbers provided in the local level records, which until recently no one has been allowed to see, and the official final tallies that were publicly released after this election, and we want to figure out why that gap is there.” . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/31/washington/31ohio.html

 

[Goobieman]

Well what do you know? Preliminary review of the ballots in Ohio show some discrepancies. I can't believe this! *sarcasm*

Yes.

Now, draw the necessary relationship between that and partisanship by Blackwell.

Oh, wait -- you dont have to actually do that, as the "appearance of impropriety" and the "seriousness of the charge" is enough. :roll:

Blackwell is a black conservative and he must be stopped at all costs.

 

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Yes.

Now, draw the necessary relationship between that and partisanship by Blackwell.

Oh, wait -- you dont have to actually do that, as the "appearance of impropriety" and the "seriousness of the charge" is enough. :roll:

Blackwell is a black conservative and he must be stopped at all costs.

Why would I ever think you would give this any credence? :roll:

 

[Goobieman]

Why would I ever think you would give this any credence? :roll:

Why would I ever thnk you'd ever try to draw that necessary relationship?
Oh wait -- I didnt. The allegation alone is enough.

Conservative black people scare liberals.

 

[BWG]

Blackwell is a black conservative and he must be stopped at all costs.

Conservative black people scare liberals.

Dang, I guess Kenny Boy Mehlman forgot to send me this memo. :2rofll:

 

[Goobieman]

Dang, I guess Kenny Boy Mehlman forgot to send me this memo. :2rofll:

Tell me:
Why raise questions about the election results in OH -- 2 years later -- when the only connection between now and then is that the Secty of State at the time -- a conservative black man -- is now running for govenor?

 

[BWG]

Tell me:
Why raise questions about the election results in OH -- 2 years later -- when the only connection between now and then is that the Secty of State at the time -- a conservative black man -- is now running for govenor?

My question is why using the qualifier-a conservative black man-to argue your point? Why can't he just be Secretary of State? Did being black make him do something right or wrong? If it was not a factor, what difference does it make what the color of his skin is?

 

[Goobieman]

My question is why using the qualifier-a conservative black man-to argue your point? Why can't he just be Secretary of State? Did being black make him do something right or wrong? If it was not a factor, what difference does it make what the color of his skin is?

Because he IS a conservative black man, and they (the dems) don't want him to win, not just because he is a Republican, but because he is... you guessed it... a conservative black man.

You cannot be so dense to see that the Dems do not like the idea of a black conservative in a promminent position within givernment, as it carries the very real risk of diminishing their stranglehold on the black vote.