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Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts

Good.

All you have to do is lookup who the people are on that panel to know that they are corporate lackeys with enormous conflicts of interest.

We should not have big pharma or big agro reps in our regulatory bodies. They are supposed to be impartial.

How should we determine which vaccines come to market then? Have a reality TV show where vaccine scientists try to complete an obstacle course?
 
How should we determine which vaccines come to market then? Have a reality TV show where vaccine scientists try to complete an obstacle course?
The interesting aspect of all this is I suspect the people cheering this on also avail themselves of medicines and procedures developed by pharmaceutical companies and the now growing private equity take over of medical practices.
 
Everything points to an effort to effectively destroy U.S. science — not gradually as part of a long-term plan, but over the next year or two.

Start with the money. The preliminary budget the Trump administration released last month called for a cut of almost 40 percent in funding for the National Institutes of Health, more than 50 percent in the budget of the National Science Foundation, the virtual elimination of federal spending on climate and ecological research and a drastic cut in NASA’s research budget. All of this was for fiscal 2026, which begins in October — that is, something like half the federal government’s financial support for science would be eliminated within a few months.

Then there are the attacks on elite universities. First, the administration in effect demanded control over Harvard’s hiring and its curriculum. The university has refused, and has faced a series of attempted punitive actions, most recently a proclamation that the administration will refuse to issue visas for international students trying to attend Harvard and possibly revoke the visas of student already there.
 
Is anyone surprised the NYT is lying about Kennedy supposedly lying? The NYT is in bed with big pharma



“Four out of eight ACIP members who voted in 1997 on guidelines for the Rotashield vaccine, subsequently withdrawn because of severe adverse events, had financial tiesto pharmaceutical companies developing other rotavirus vaccines.”
Per your bolded. Something questionable happened in 1997 so we eliminate the entire group now? Wow, that’s some justification! I’m impressed by your logic.

If Kennedy, the “there is no vaccine that is safe and effective” guy, wants to get rid of the people on the committee then he should identify what the problem is with them, not base it on incidents from ancient history.

Too many people died of Covid because of this guy’s anti vax organization, if he was in charge back then millions more would have died. He petitioned the FDA to ban the Covid vaccine in early 2021.

As far as the NYT goes. Yes, we know that as a major conspiracy theorist you believe everyone is in bed with big farma or whoever! Kennedy said on Jan. 29 of the committee: "I think 97% of the people on it had conflicts.” He completely represented the report that the 97% came from. This 97% referred to problems with the way disclosure forms were filled out back in 2007. Problems like the information was on an attachment instead of the form or it was disclosed in the wrong section of the form or other such nonsense that is in no way indicative of a conflict of interest! Just pure BS!
 
Only rabid vaxers would think this is good:

“Four out of eight ACIP members who voted in 1997 on guidelines for the Rotashield vaccine, subsequently withdrawn because of severe adverse events, had financial tiesto pharmaceutical companies developing other rotavirus vaccines.”
Only rabid anti vaxers think that the entire system should be torn down because once a vaccine was exposed to a much wider population than what is common in clinical trials a problem was found. Note that the vaccine was then withdrawn. That’s the way the system is supposed to work.
 
What a joke




Gee the MAHA people are trying to make it sound like this is all done in secret in your earlier comment. Their review meeting is all done in public and live streamed.

P.S. Even though this is obviously a cherry picked segment from one meeting, I don’t see any serious problems.
 

More bullshit form the dangerous morons in government.

Another jagoff that should be jailed for the deaths he’s gonna cause with his anti vaxx conspiracy bullshit.
We're just going to have to accept medieval health care standards until RFK Jr is gone, by whatever means.
 
Good.

All you have to do is lookup who the people are on that panel to know that they are corporate lackeys with enormous conflicts of interest.

We should not have big pharma or big agro reps in our regulatory bodies. They are supposed to be impartial.

What are you talking about?

 
We're just going to have to accept medieval health care standards until RFK Jr is gone, by whatever means.
Oh noes! Are you saying someone should 86 RFK Jr? Such violence!


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Oh noes! Are you saying someone should 86 RFK Jr? Such violence!
I said nothing of the kind.

<--- I point to my profile pic to demonstrate what a peaceable and reasonable guy I am.

I just said when he's gone.
 
Good.

All you have to do is lookup who the people are on that panel to know that they are corporate lackeys with enormous conflicts of interest.

We should not have big pharma or big agro reps in our regulatory bodies. They are supposed to be impartial.
other than your opinion, what evidence do you have the panel members are corporate lackeys?

Playing along, then RFK, jr. has a major conflict. One only has to look at who funded his pollical run. No one gives millions to a campaign without wanting something in return.
 
other than your opinion, what evidence do you have the panel members are corporate lackeys?

Playing along, then RFK, jr. has a major conflict. One only has to look at who funded his pollical run. No one gives millions to a campaign without wanting something in return.

RFK is not in a regulatory role.

What part of regulatory bodies should be impartial are you not understanding?
 
How should we determine which vaccines come to market then? Have a reality TV show where vaccine scientists try to complete an obstacle course?

I didn't say the panel shouldn't exist.

It should be replaced with impartial staff who don't have ties to major industry. It's not that hard.
 

More bullshit form the dangerous morons in government.

Another jagoff that should be jailed for the deaths he’s gonna cause with his anti vaxx conspiracy bullshit.
You buy the lies ?
You think these people are "Independent" ?....

Kennedy is not STOPPING vaxxes he's stopping our government from FASCISTLY forcing people to have to take:
"Experimental Authorized Gene Therapy inoculations" .

He'll get more rational (Not owned by big Pharma) like Dr. Robert Malone.WhosWho.webpPfize_Fussball.webp
 
You buy the lies ?
You think these people are "Independent" ?....

Kennedy is not STOPPING vaxxes he's stopping our government from FASCISTLY forcing people to have to take:
"Experimental Authorized Gene Therapy inoculations" .

He'll get more rational (Not owned by big Pharma) like Dr. Robert Malone.View attachment 67573830View attachment 67573832
Hmmm. I wonder if the rabid vaxers will even comment on that. I bet they will go straight to the brain dead talking points.
 
Gee the MAHA people are trying to make it sound like this is all done in secret in your earlier comment. Their review meeting is all done in public and live streamed.

P.S. Even though this is obviously a cherry picked segment from one meeting, I don’t see any serious problems.
You can't be serious.



The first two votes were thwarted by the 2 cardiologists on the ACIP, who weren’t ok with those heart attacks in the trial - which were so casually discussed here - AFTER the unanimous vote to approve. Conveniently, the cardiologists were removed from the committee just in time for this vote
This change couldn’t come soon enough
 
You can't be serious.



The first two votes were thwarted by the 2 cardiologists on the ACIP, who weren’t ok with those heart attacks in the trial - which were so casually discussed here - AFTER the unanimous vote to approve. Conveniently, the cardiologists were removed from the committee just in time for this vote
This change couldn’t come soon enough

"Maybe. But like our lawyers say, the world is full of things that can cause a" heart attack.

I believe the pharmaceutical industry needs better regulations. I also think foods, beverages, cosmetics, etc. could be healthier and safer. What you're in favor of in this thread will do the opposite of that by bringing in people who aren't really scientists and experts to "regulate" those industries.
 
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