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Kendrick Johnson was not killed by a cheerleading mat

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New pic showing defensive wounds abound. Maybe cut marks. No honest person can deny it looks like a homicide.
 
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https://kjtheboywhodidntcomehome.wo...extra-clothing-2-conflicting-coroner-reports/

6. Why are there two differing coroner’s reports? The Johnson family had to struggle to get any of the records they got, using repeated filings of Open Records Act requests. The coroner’s report they received from the Open Records Act requests stated how dismayed Coroner Bill Watson was by the crime scene’s compromised condition and the moved body in the January 22 report:

“I was not notified of (sic) this death until 15:45 hours. The investigative climate was very poor to worse when I arrived on the scene. The body had been noticably (sic) moved. The scene had been compromised and there was no cooperation from law enforcement at the scene. Furthermore the integrity of the evidence bag was compromised on January 13, 2013 by opening the sealed bag and exhibiting the dead body to his father…I do not approve of the manner this case was handled. Not only was the scene compromised, the body was moved.”
 

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https://kjtheboywhodidntcomehome.wo...extra-clothing-2-conflicting-coroner-reports/

6. Why are there two differing coroner’s reports? The Johnson family had to struggle to get any of the records they got, using repeated filings of Open Records Act requests. The coroner’s report they received from the Open Records Act requests stated how dismayed Coroner Bill Watson was by the crime scene’s compromised condition and the moved body in the January 22 report:

“I was not notified of (sic) this death until 15:45 hours. The investigative climate was very poor to worse when I arrived on the scene. The body had been noticably (sic) moved. The scene had been compromised and there was no cooperation from law enforcement at the scene. Furthermore the integrity of the evidence bag was compromised on January 13, 2013 by opening the sealed bag and exhibiting the dead body to his father…I do not approve of the manner this case was handled. Not only was the scene compromised, the body was moved.”
As you were already told.

 

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New pic showing defensive wounds abound. Maybe cut marks. No honest person can deny it looks like a homicide.


No, it doesn't look like a homicide

A tragedy ? Yea. The reddit post pretty much debunked the homicide claim
 
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A Death in Valdosta «

Grantland is a great page. One of the first I came across. Absolutely nothing but bull**** when it comes to proving KJ's death an accident. They admittedly have no idea what they're talking about.

The original EMT report had declared the gym a crime scene. Says Watson (the coroner) of that day, “I definitely would not have ruled it an accident.”

“It appears that since the mats were stacked up on end and had been moved and stored that way over the holiday break,” Prine told the Daily Times, “his shoes weren’t where he left them, so he had to climb up on the mats.”

A statement from the sheriff’s office read: “At some point, Kendrick Johnson either reached into the center of one of the rolled mats or fell into the center opening of the mat:lamo and became lodged.”

“We feel like he was trying to reach a shoe that was down that hole,” Prine told the Daily Times, “but no one knows why but him and the good Lord.”
 

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It wasn't a cheerleading mat. it was a wrestling mat.
 

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It wasn't a cheerleading mat. it was a wrestling mat.

It was a foam gym mat that could not have killed almost any conscious, uninjured adult.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_wound

A defense wound or self-defense wound is an injury received by the victim of an attack while trying to defend against the assailant.[1][2] Defensive wounds are often found on the hands and forearms, where the victim has raised them to protect the head and face or to fend off an assault, but may also be present on the feet and legs where a victim attempts defense while lying down and kicking out at the assailant.
 

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It was a foam gym mat that could not have killed almost any conscious, uninjured adult.

see post 2. and do a google search.

time to move on. No CT here.
 

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see post 2. and do a google search.

time to move on. No CT here.

See post #3. A second autopsy confirmed what the pictures show. It was a homicide.
 

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See post #3. A second autopsy confirmed what the pictures show. It was a homicide.

No. the autopsy report you linked to suggests further investigation is needed.

Hey, but don't let partial facts and cherry picking get in your way of posting your opinion.:mrgreen:
 

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No. the autopsy report you linked to suggests further investigation is needed.

Hey, but don't let partial facts and cherry picking get in your way of posting your opinion.:mrgreen:

I am doing just that by actually trying to find stuff that supports homicide. The defensive wounds alone support a struggle.
 

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They ****ing destroyed KJ, but not without a fight. He fought back, but could not overcome his assailants, unfortunately. Kendrick Johnson's death is consistent with some type of homicidal asphyxiation. This account was about 21 hours after he was last seen alive.

The paragraph starts with: On January 11, 2013 at 10:32 am. https://www.scribd.com/doc/181050020/Lowndes-County-Incident-Report-pdf

"The facial area was severely disfigured and swollen."



Initial Stage The Stages of the Human Decomposition Process | Education - Seattle PI

For the first 24 to 72 hours, the body undergoes very little observable change. Liquids settle in the tissues, creating lividity, or discoloration on whichever side of the body faces downwards. Rigor mortis locks tendons and muscles in place, and enzymes begin triggering cells to die and break down. Aerobic bacteria inside the body use up the available oxygen and create an ideal environment for the proliferation of anaerobic bacteria which do not require oxygen. Insects may also begin to lay eggs in and on the corpse.

Causes of blunt injury may include: Soft Tissue Injury of the Neck - Health Library

Strangulation. This type of injury may cause skin trauma, hoarseness of voice, or broken cartilage in the voice box or windpipe. It may also cause a serious airway problem.

SYMPTOMS

Bruising.
Pain and tenderness in the neck.

Swelling of the neck and face.

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums... Homicide/untitledkj_zpskd6uobf3.png~original
 

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It was a foam gym mat that could not have killed almost any conscious, uninjured adult.

What is a "foam gym mat"?

A standard ASTM F1081-97(03) compliant wrestling mat (which is required by the National Federation of State High School Associations and all 50 states) is going to be about 40' long x 40' wide x 1" or 1.25" thick (they're sold in those two thicknesses) and manufactured of PVC Rubber Nitrile foam covered with a PVC vinyl painted surface.

It's going to weigh somewhere between 1600 and 2000 pounds (depending upon thickness, calculated at 1 - 1.25 lbs (lbsxft^2) for a 40x40 mat and using the specifications from a standard Resilite brand mat, though I would imagine that all manufactures mats would be the same as they're all using essentially the same material).

Judging from the images I've seen he was rolled up in one section of a standard three-section mat so the mat section weighed either 533 pounds or 666 pounds (again, depending upon its thickness).

Just consider that while you're deciding whether or not a "foam gym mat" could have held an upside-down and essentially immobile teenager long enough for him to asphyxiate.

Knowing how heavy and bulky and just "dead weight" those things really are from having spent my formative years rolling them up, moving them from the back practice room out to the main gym for matches, and then re-rolling them and moving them back to the practice room, my opinion is if you got rolled up inside one of them, or fell down in to one that was already been rolled up as this kid is alleged to have, you'd be pretty much ****ed.
 

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That's a helluva lot of blood for a kid stuck upside down in a gym mat. I've never read an explanation for this and I understand why.

You've heard that "water seeks it's own level", right?

Well that's the nature of any liquid.

Absent a force pumping it to higher levels it's going to settle and pool in the lowest point it can find.

That's what happens to blood in the human body once the force of the heart pumping upward and to the extremities ceases.

When this boy died, upside down, all of the blood in his body ran down, toward the ground, under the force of gravity, and pooled in the lowest point it could find (from his head on up).

That's why the pictures of his face in the autopsy images is purple, bloated, and distended, it's a skin bag filled with blood and other bodily fluids under their own weight.

It's entirely possible that some of his blood leaked (out of his eyes, or through his lungs and then out his mouth, or whatever).

I'm not saying that this is what happened, because I don't really know much more about this situation that a very cursory reading of the articles and Reddit page posted in this thread have taught me.

I'm not discussing what did or didn't happen, just what could possibly have happened, and I think it's reasonable to believe that what I've discussed here could possibly have happened.

His sock appears to have blood on it.

It appears to.

Whether or not is does, and if so why, are another matter entirely.

Just spitballing here but, if he was jammed in to the middle of a 600 pound wrestling mat, constricted, blood rushing to his head, screaming, nobody coming to help him, stuck there longer and longer, beginning to have difficulty breathing, still struggling, trying to wiggle and shake and topple the mat over, still no good, getting really scared, starting to asphyxiate now, struggling, literally fighting for his life...

Is it possible that in his struggle he could have injured and cut himself?

Maybe lacerated himself with his own toenail or something like that?

Again, I don't know.

I don't know what the autopsy said about a stain (which appears to be blood, but may not be blood, and may have been on his sock when he put it on in the morning) but as above I'm just considering whether or not it is even possible that he could have injured himself in his struggle in the manner I described here.

I think it is possible.
 
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What is a "foam gym mat"?

A standard ASTM F1081-97(03) compliant wrestling mat (which is required by the National Federation of State High School Associations and all 50 states) is going to be about 40' long x 40' wide x 1" or 1.25" thick (they're sold in those two thicknesses) and manufactured of PVC Rubber Nitrile foam covered with a PVC vinyl painted surface.

It's going to weigh somewhere between 1600 and 2000 pounds (depending upon thickness, calculated at 1 - 1.25 lbs (lbsxft^2) for a 40x40 mat and using the specifications from a standard Resilite brand mat, though I would imagine that all manufactures mats would be the same as they're all using essentially the same material).

Judging from the images I've seen he was rolled up in one section of a standard three-section mat so the mat section weighed either 533 pounds or 666 pounds (again, depending upon its thickness).

Just consider that while you're deciding whether or not a "foam gym mat" could have held an upside-down and essentially immobile teenager long enough for him to asphyxiate.

Knowing how heavy and bulky and just "dead weight" those things really are from having spent my formative years rolling them up, moving them from the back practice room out to the main gym for matches, and then re-rolling them and moving them back to the practice room, my opinion is if you got rolled up inside one of them, or fell down in to one that was already been rolled up as this kid is alleged to have, you'd be pretty much ****ed.

It's something like this. I called one time as he said it was around 135 pounds or so.

6' x 42' x 1 1/2" TriLam Foam Bonded Floor Exercise Carpet from American Athletic, Inc. - OnlineSports.com
 

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Here's a lengthy overview.

https://whatzenalotionbar.wordpress.com/tag/positional-asphyxia/

http://valdosta.sgaonline.com/2010vdt/pdfs/KJohnson_second_autopsy.pdf

The results of the second autopsy performed by Dr. William R. Anderson were released in early September 2013. In his report, Dr. Anderson concluded that Kendrick Johnson had died from “unexplained, apparent non-accidental blunt force trauma to his right neck and soft tissues.

What was the nature of the wound Dr. Anderson found that resulted in the above conclusion?
 

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What was the nature of the wound Dr. Anderson found that resulted in the above conclusion?

He called it blunt force trauma. I would agree that it could've been more thorough. I would have hired Wecht because he's media savy. It's an interesting case, which needs more evidence to work with.

Soft Tissue Injury of the Neck - Health Library

CAUSES

Causes of blunt injury may include:

• "Clothesline" injuries. This happens when someone is moving at high speed and runs into a clothesline, outstretched arm, or similar object. This results in a direct injury to the front of the neck. If the airway is blocked, it can cause suffocation due to lack of oxygen (asphyxiation) or even instant death.
• High-energy trauma. This includes injuries from motor vehicle crashes, falling from a great height, or heavy objects falling onto the neck.
• Sports-related injuries. Injury to the windpipe and voice box can result from being struck by another player or being struck by an object, such as a baseball, hockey stick, or an outstretched arm.

Strangulation. This type of injury may cause skin trauma, hoarseness of voice, or broken cartilage in the voice box or windpipe. It may also cause a serious airway problem.

SYMPTOMS

•Bruising.

• Pain and tenderness in the neck.

Swelling of the neck and face.
 

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He called it blunt force trauma. I would agree that it could've been more thorough. I would have hired Wecht because he's media savy. It's an interesting case, which needs more evidence to work with.

Soft Tissue Injury of the Neck - Health Library

CAUSES

Causes of blunt injury may include:

• "Clothesline" injuries. This happens when someone is moving at high speed and runs into a clothesline, outstretched arm, or similar object. This results in a direct injury to the front of the neck. If the airway is blocked, it can cause suffocation due to lack of oxygen (asphyxiation) or even instant death.
• High-energy trauma. This includes injuries from motor vehicle crashes, falling from a great height, or heavy objects falling onto the neck.
• Sports-related injuries. Injury to the windpipe and voice box can result from being struck by another player or being struck by an object, such as a baseball, hockey stick, or an outstretched arm.

Strangulation. This type of injury may cause skin trauma, hoarseness of voice, or broken cartilage in the voice box or windpipe. It may also cause a serious airway problem.

SYMPTOMS

•Bruising.

• Pain and tenderness in the neck.

Swelling of the neck and face.

Can you try answering the question I asked?

What was the nature of the wound found on the body? Describe the actual wound. To avoid a lot of time-wasting if you don't know I do and I can tell you.
 

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Can you try answering the question I asked?

What was the nature of the wound found on the body? Describe the actual wound. To avoid a lot of time-wasting if you don't know I do and I can tell you.

Unexplained. There ya go.

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You don't crawl in a rolled up mat to get your shoe, suffocate then come out all bloody and mangled. Can't happen.
 
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