K. Harris is what we need to stop gun violence.

[Bucky]

She knows the problem and has a plan at hand:

Kamala Harris on Wednesday said if elected president she will press Congress to pass a red flag law that would allow law enforcement officials to temporarily seize the firearms of white nationalists that may be on the verge of carrying out a hate crime.

The Democratic presidential candidate's proposal calls for the creation of “domestic terrorism prevention orders” that would give law enforcement and family members of suspected white nationalists or domestic terrorists the ability to petition a federal court to temporarily restrict a person’s access to guns if the person exhibits clear evidence of being a danger.

“We need to take action to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and stop violent, hate-fueled attacks before they happen,” Harris said. “By focusing on confronting these domestic terror threats, we can save lives.”

Kamala Harris pitches gun control targeting white nationalists

At a town hall hosted by CNN, Ms. Harris said that, if elected, she would sign an executive order mandating background checks for customers of any firearms dealer who sells more than five guns a year. The executive actions would also include more stringent regulation of gun manufacturers that could result in revoked licenses or prosecution, as well as an attempt to close the loophole that allows some domestic abusers to purchase guns if their victim is an unwedded partner.

Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control - The New York Times

We definitely need a new sheriff in our country, a gun czar, who will not be intimidated by the pro-gun fanatics/lobby.

We definitely need to beef up:

Background checks
Close Loopholes
Seize firearms for criminals
More severe penalties for law breakers
Create regulations for gun manufacturers.

It is quite a crisis that will likely require executive orders.

 

[Noodlegawd]

She knows the problem and has a plan at hand:



Kamala Harris pitches gun control targeting white nationalists



Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control - The New York Times

We definitely need a new sheriff in our country, a gun czar, who will not be intimidated by the pro-gun fanatics/lobby.

We definitely need to beef up:

Background checks
Close Loopholes
Seize firearms for criminals
More severe penalties for law breakers
Create regulations for gun manufacturers.

It is quite a crisis that will likely require executive orders.

Why do you claim that it is "quite a crisis?"

What regulations could she pass on gun manufacturers that would make a difference in this supposed crisis?

 

[Bucky]

Why do you claim that it is "quite a crisis?"

What regulations could she pass on gun manufacturers that would make a difference in this supposed crisis?

We the people should be able to sue gun manufacturers, particularly victims of gun violence. Just like in 1999 when the government, yes the government sued Tobacco companies on behalf of sick smokers.

Or just like there was a lawsuit against J&J regarding Talcum powder and baby powder which causes ovarian cancer.

The gun industry needs to be held liable.

 

[Noodlegawd]

We the people should be able to sue gun manufacturers, particularly victims of gun violence. Just like in 1999 when the government, yes the government sued Tobacco companies on behalf of sick smokers.

Or just like there was a lawsuit against J&J regarding Talcum powder and baby powder which causes ovarian cancer.

The gun industry needs to be held liable.

You can sue gun manufacturers, just like you can sue manufacturers for anything else if they make a defective product or falsely advertise their products. What you can't do is sue them for making perfectly legal products.

What should the gun industry be liable for? Or do you just think that Democrats should be able to abuse our court system to accomplish what they failed to do with legislation?

 

[Bucky]

You can sue gun manufacturers, just like you can sue manufacturers for anything else if they make a defective product or falsely advertise their products. What you can't do is sue them for making perfectly legal products.

What should the gun industry be liable for? Or do you just think that Democrats should be able to abuse our court system to accomplish what they failed to do with legislation?

That's exactly what a tobacco executive would say!

 

[Bum]

Do you understand the difference between a defective product that causes injury and death vs. a product that is misused by its owner/operator that results in injury or death?

If you decide to drive a car at reckless speeds the result in injury or death, thats the sole responsibility of the owner/operator for using the car in a manner both illegal and unsafe.....if you get into a car, turn the key and it catches fire due to faulty assembly or design, thats the fault of the manufacturer.

By all means, sue the manufacturer for faulty design or assembly......but its not the responsibility of the manufacturer when people do stupid or illegal acts with the product.

 

[Bucky]

Do you understand the difference between a defective product that causes injury and death vs. a product that is misused by its owner/operator that results in injury or death?

If you decide to drive a car at reckless speeds the result in injury or death, thats the sole responsibility of the owner/operator for using the car in a manner both illegal and unsafe.....if you get into a car, turn the key and it catches fire due to faulty assembly or design, thats the fault of the manufacturer.

By all means, sue the manufacturer for faulty design or assembly......but its not the responsibility of the manufacturer when people do stupid or illegal acts with the product.

By that logic, people that get lung cancer from cigs, it is there fault completely right?

 

[Bucky]

Do you understand the difference between a defective product that causes injury and death vs. a product that is misused by its owner/operator that results in injury or death?

If you decide to drive a car at reckless speeds the result in injury or death, thats the sole responsibility of the owner/operator for using the car in a manner both illegal and unsafe.....if you get into a car, turn the key and it catches fire due to faulty assembly or design, thats the fault of the manufacturer.

By all means, sue the manufacturer for faulty design or assembly......but its not the responsibility of the manufacturer when people do stupid or illegal acts with the product.

more politics, politricks, by the gun lobby.

It seems they have brainwashed you good eh?

The fact is in 2005, the gun lobby pressured congress to pass a controversial law to give unprecedented legal immunity to gun manufacturers. It is called blanket immunity. Not even pharmaceuticals or tobacco industries have this type of immunity.

What we need is gun manufacturers to create a weapon that isn't so easy to modify. A weapon that can be easily modified to become an automatic weapon, is no longer by definition a semi-automatic weapon. By definition and law thus, those semi-automatic weapons need to be classified as an automatic weapon and be banned like other automatic weapons.

What we need is mountains and mountains of lawsuits and litigation against gun manufacturers. Bury them in paperwork until they cannot breathe. The more documents unearthed will immobilize the gun lobby and finally turn the tide.

 

[Luther]

By that logic, people that get lung cancer from cigs, it is there fault completely right?

Perhaps it's because it said right on the Cig package the cigs cause cancer?

 

[Luther]

She knows the problem and has a plan at hand:



Kamala Harris pitches gun control targeting white nationalists



Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control - The New York Times

We definitely need a new sheriff in our country, a gun czar, who will not be intimidated by the pro-gun fanatics/lobby.

We definitely need to beef up:

Background checks
Close Loopholes
Seize firearms for criminals
More severe penalties for law breakers
Create regulations for gun manufacturers.

It is quite a crisis that will likely require executive orders.

And what of the millions of guns that are already out there?

 

[holbritter]

We the people should be able to sue gun manufacturers, particularly victims of gun violence. Just like in 1999 when the government, yes the government sued Tobacco companies on behalf of sick smokers.

Or just like there was a lawsuit against J&J regarding Talcum powder and baby powder which causes ovarian cancer.

The gun industry needs to be held liable.

Sue them for what?

 

[Chillfolks]

By that logic, people that get lung cancer from cigs, it is there fault completely right?

The major flaw in your supposed point is, there is no way to use a cigarette the way it was designed and intended to be used that doesn’t increase the risk of lung cancer. Now if you happen to find an ad campaign that a gun manufacturer says something like “Hey buy a XYZbrand you can shoot someone with it all day and no one will be hurt” then maybe you can try and draw a cigarette comparison.

Or if you can find a case where someone uses a cigarette to intentionally set fire to the neighbors house, then the victims family sues Marlboro because that was the brand the arsonist used to commit his crime with you would also be able to draw a comparison to cigarettes and guns.

 

[Fledermaus]

By that logic, people that get lung cancer from cigs, it is there fault completely right?

Today yes.

It is their fault.

If they choose to ignore warnings on the packaging, PSAs, etc. then stupid choices = bad results.

 

[Bucky]

The major flaw in your supposed point is, there is no way to use a cigarette the way it was designed and intended to be used that doesn’t increase the risk of lung cancer. Now if you happen to find an ad campaign that a gun manufacturer says something like “Hey buy a XYZbrand you can shoot someone with it all day and no one will be hurt” then maybe you can try and draw a cigarette comparison.

Or if you can find a case where someone uses a cigarette to intentionally set fire to the neighbors house, then the victims family sues Marlboro because that was the brand the arsonist used to commit his crime with you would also be able to draw a comparison to cigarettes and guns.

People can modify a semi-auto to an auto. That is completely on the gun manufacturers for creating a faulty product easily manipulated.

Design a weapon that cannot be altered otherwise let's sue the hell out of them for creating an illegal product.

 

[Bucky]

Sue them for what?

For every victim of gun violence, there should 1 lawsuit against a gun manufacturer. Again, drown them into litigation, force them to file bankruptcy.

 

[Noodlegawd]

That's exactly what a tobacco executive would say!

Then they would be right, but it wouldn't absolve tobacco companies for what they did, which was to deliberately target children and increase the addictiveness of their products. There's no parallel in the gun industry.

 

[jimbo]

That's exactly what a tobacco executive would say!

Tobacco executives were sued for misrepresentation, not manufacture. They are still manufacturing today.

 

[jimbo]

By that logic, people that get lung cancer from cigs, it is there fault completely right?

All I know is that I will never get lung cancer from cigs. So lung cancer from cigs is entirely preventable.

Particularly today, with years of daily reminders of the effects, anyone who gets cancer from paying six bucks for the product. The result is 100% their fault.

 

[jimbo]

People can modify a semi-auto to an auto. That is completely on the gun manufacturers for creating a faulty product easily manipulated.

Design a weapon that cannot be altered otherwise let's sue the hell out of them for creating an illegal product.

It is illegal to modify a semi into a full, so we already have a law. However, the original firearm is still legal, so suing would be difficult.

The next question, how many weapons are so modified? I suspect almost none. Typically the result is not that favorable. Semi's are designed for relatively low rate of fire. Increase that rate and things start going wrong.

 

[Bum]

By that logic, people that get lung cancer from cigs, it is there fault completely right?

Apples and oranges....which is why the Tobacco industry was sued; they hid the effects of smoking for years.

No one is hiding the lethal capabilities of a firearm....but you are blaming the manufacturer for the operator.

Thats not even weak logic, thats an absence of logic.

 

[Bum]

For every victim of gun violence, there should 1 lawsuit against a gun manufacturer. Again, drown them into litigation, force them to file bankruptcy.

Following your reasoning, we should sue all car makers for the deaths caused by drunk drivers.

 

[Drawdown]

She knows the problem and has a plan at hand:



Kamala Harris pitches gun control targeting white nationalists



Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control - The New York Times

We definitely need a new sheriff in our country, a gun czar, who will not be intimidated by the pro-gun fanatics/lobby.

We definitely need to beef up:

Background checks
Close Loopholes
Seize firearms for criminals
More severe penalties for law breakers
Create regulations for gun manufacturers.

It is quite a crisis that will likely require executive orders.

Well she is certainly fond of throwing black people in jail, so sure she might help clean up Chicago and Detroit on paper.

 

[jimbo]

She knows the problem and has a plan at hand:



Kamala Harris pitches gun control targeting white nationalists



Kamala Harris Proposes Executive Orders on Gun Control - The New York Times

We definitely need a new sheriff in our country, a gun czar, who will not be intimidated by the pro-gun fanatics/lobby.

We definitely need to beef up:

Background checks
Close Loopholes
Seize firearms for criminals
More severe penalties for law breakers
Create regulations for gun manufacturers.

It is quite a crisis that will likely require executive orders.

Harris's proposed laws are almost certainly unconstitutional. We do not base laws on possible crimes being committed in the future. There is no established criteria for confiscation in her proposed ban. Laws should not be made based on membership in a particular segment of the population. i'e. White Nationalist. (What is a white nationalist?) Then there's that bothersome fourth. The one about secure in their papers, possessions, and persons.

 

[Bum]

People can modify a semi-auto to an auto. That is completely on the gun manufacturers for creating a faulty product easily manipulated.

Design a weapon that cannot be altered otherwise let's sue the hell out of them for creating an illegal product.

And also...quite illegal.

Will you sue Ford because somebody easily modified their Mustang with Nox and crashing into your home at nearly 200 mph?


No...this is what Bucky wants.....a cradle to grave state hand to hold his; to tell him when he can cross the street, eat his pop tarts, go to bed, and tell him not to stick forks into electrical outlets, or piddle on his shoes.

Clearly, Bucky needs adult supervision.....the vast majority of the adult population, not so much.

 

[apdst]

Joe's Ho is who we need to bring the gun debate to a head and defeat the anti-gunners, permanently.