Justices rap EPA, but uphold global warming rules

danarhea · Jun 23, 2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court largely left intact Monday the Obama administration's only existing program to limit power plant and factory emissions of the gases blamed for global warming. But a divided court also rebuked environmental regulators for taking too much authority into their own hands without congressional approval.

This is a major blow to the Koch Brothers, who have been waging war on the EPA for more than 20 years, in an effort to gut that agency. The SCOTUS decison does limit the EPA in the permitting process in that it cannot deny permits based on global warming pollutants alone, but the global warming pollutant regulations that power plants must abide by are left intact, and the power industry is expected to follow these laws or else.

This is good, because no matter what the shills say, the science on global warming is in, and the USA is following that science, as well as demonstrating to the world that it intends to be a leader on this issue, and not a sideline watcher participating in "crackpot science" in an effort to deny the obvious.

Article is here.

Renae · Jun 23, 2014

Well, score o one for stop higher bills for stupidity.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

danarhea said:
This is a major blow to the Koch Brothers, who have been waging war on the EPA for more than 20 years, in an effort to gut that agency. The SCOTUS decison does limit the EPA in the permitting process in that it cannot deny permits based on global warming pollutants alone, but the global warming pollutant regulations that power plants must abide by are left intact, and the power industry is expected to follow these laws or else.

This is good, because no matter what the shills say, the science on global warming is in, and the USA is following that science, as well as demonstrating to the world that it intends to be a leader on this issue, and not a sideline watcher participating in "crackpot science" in an effort to deny the obvious.

Article is here.

How is this " Good " ?

You ever look into Germany's green enegy disaster ?

The Australian PM just voted to undo their Carbon Tax and every where this AGW global nonsense is being mandated the Middle and lower class are the ones being nailed by higher cost.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

This is effing STOOOPID !

Unbelievable how blind and dumb some people are.

Tettsuo · Jun 23, 2014

Hurray for science and reason!

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Tettsuo said:
Hurray for science and reason!

What " Science " ? Liberals are some of the most Scientifically ignorant people I've ever run accross.

Look up what " Science " ( politicized rhetoric ) did to the German " green revolution " .

Their finance minister just decalred it a total failure as their Citizen's now pay 300 percent more than the average American does on Electricity just so they can be dependant on Coal.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Friken Libs are just a bunch of mindless easilly led SHEEP !

The " Koch Brothers " ?? Really ?

So we're going to NAILED with higher utility rates in a DOWN economy over a leftist nonsensical narratives ?

You libs think this is going to hurt the " Koch Brothers " ??

No, its going to hurt those people already struggling to make ends meet.

You f***ing dumbasses !

Tettsuo · Jun 23, 2014

Fenton said:
What " Science " ? Liberals are some of the most Scientifically ignorant people I've ever run accross.

Look up what " Science " ( politicized rhetoric ) did to the German " green revolution " .

Their finance minister just decalred it a total failure as their Citizen's now pay 300 percent more than the average American does on Electricity just so they can be dependant on Coal.

[video]http://on.rt.com/6hwsfb[/video]

For the sake of balance.

Still, what does that have to do with the science? The situation is not about fiance, but about science. What's scientifically ignorant about climate change?

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Tettsuo said:
[video]http://on.rt.com/6hwsfb[/video]

For the sake of balance.

Still, what does that have to do with the science? The situation is not about fiance, but about science. What's scientifically ignorant about climate change?

Oh Bull sh** !

AGW is and has been a politically driven psuedo science since its inception.

And now we get to see the results of the BS Hockey stick graphs and make believe movies about the end of the world.

AGAIN, take a look at the stupidity that is Germany's green energy revolution.

A STUPID endeavor built on the back of this politicized false narrative of Global warming.

It failed miserably because SCIENCE had nothing to do with it.

It was ideologically driven and its FAILED MISERABLY.

ocean515 · Jun 23, 2014

danarhea said:
This is a major blow to the Koch Brothers, who have been waging war on the EPA for more than 20 years, in an effort to gut that agency. The SCOTUS decison does limit the EPA in the permitting process in that it cannot deny permits based on global warming pollutants alone, but the global warming pollutant regulations that power plants must abide by are left intact, and the power industry is expected to follow these laws or else.

This is good, because no matter what the shills say, the science on global warming is in, and the USA is following that science, as well as demonstrating to the world that it intends to be a leader on this issue, and not a sideline watcher participating in "crackpot science" in an effort to deny the obvious.

Article is here.

Actually, it's more a major blow to citizens, and a sign the minions ruled by the Progressive Machine are truly anxious to be controlled by Super Power Agencies who operate outside the reach of voters.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

These guys in here cheering this decision on have NO CLUE what this means for your average American consumer nor do they care.

And these are the people that claim to be sympathetic to the needs of the poor and middle class.

Bull sh** !

The false NOAA administration data story just came out where actual temperature data was replaced with " computer modeled data " to give the impression that the earth was warming.

Turns out the 1930s was the hottest decade and we've been cooling.

clownboy · Jun 23, 2014

Only the congress can gut the agency. Both congress and the POTUS have the grant to direct the agency. Congress by making the rules and the POTUS by administering them. That is all this SCOTUS decision reveals.

The POTUS will change, and with that will come a change in the administration and execution of the rules. Congress may or may not step up in the meantime.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

NOAA....." When determining Climate change, the concern is not Absolute Temperature, -whether a Station is reading warmer or Cooler- but a change in temperature "

Thats does more to expose the AGW False narrative than just about any other.

danarhea · Jun 23, 2014

Fenton said:
Friken Libs are just a bunch of mindless easilly led SHEEP !

The " Koch Brothers " ?? Really ?

So we're going to NAILED with higher utility rates in a DOWN economy over a leftist nonsensical narratives ?

You libs think this is going to hurt the " Koch Brothers " ??

No, its going to hurt those people already struggling to make ends meet.

You f***ing dumbasses !

The "Evil Libs are dumbasses" meme again? The court ruled 7-2 on this part of the ruling, which means that 3 of the 5 Conservative judges voted in favor of it. Got something else to post instead of your ad hoc attacks on a group of people which, by the way, don't even make any sense?

ludin · Jun 23, 2014

danarhea said:
The "Evil Libs are dumbasses" meme again? The court ruled 7-2 on this part of the ruling, which means that 3 of the 5 Conservative judges voted in favor of it. Got something else to post instead of your ad hoc attacks on a group of people?

umm it was a 5-4 decision and a 7-2 decision.

Supreme Court limits greenhouse gas regulations

so it was split. however it did put a stop on obama's pen and sign nonsense.

all this will change when we get a president and an EPA that isn't politically driven.

i think i will start sending my increased electric bills to obama and have him pay them.

clownboy · Jun 23, 2014

danarhea said:
The "Evil Libs are dumbasses" meme again? The court ruled 7-2 on this part of the ruling, which means that 3 of the 5 Conservative judges voted in favor of it. Got something else to post instead of your ad hoc attacks on a group of people?

No, you can't lay this on the SCOTUS, they are just ruling on the constitutionality issues. And in this case the effects of liberal political pandering are precisely as Fenton described. You can't run from that either.

Tettsuo · Jun 23, 2014

Fenton said:
Oh Bull sh** !

AGW is and has been a politically driven psuedo science since its inception.

And now we get to see the results of the BS Hockey stick graphs and make believe movies about the end of the world.

AGAIN, take a look at the stupidity that is Germany's green energy revolution.

A STUPID endeavor built on the back of this politicized false narrative of Global warming.

It failed miserably because SCIENCE had nothing to do with it.

It was ideologically driven and its FAILED MISERABLY.

Again, the finance aspect of Germany's green energy revolution has nothing to do with the science. Other than your assertions, what exactly is wrong with the science?

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Tettsuo said:
Again, the finance aspect of Germany's green energy revolution has nothing to do with the science. Other than your assertions, what exactly is wrong with the science?

High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Bull, you have no idea what your'e talking about. It's NOT just about " Economics ", because now Germany's air is dirtier than it was before they entered into this disaster.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/the-big-lie-becomes-official-at-noaa/

NOAA " The year 2012 was the warmest on record for the contiguous United States, beating the previous record by a full degree in temperature, a government climate agency said on Tuesday. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the average temperature in 2012 in the contiguous United States was 55.3 degrees Fahrenheit (12.94 degrees Celsius), 3.2 degrees above the average recorded during the 20th century and 1.0 degree above 1998, until now the hottest on record. "

" I will do a more complete analysis later, but for now I want you to focus on the bold sentence above, which claims that 1998 used to be the hottest year in the US.

In an article which NASA published in 1999, Hansen showed that 1998 was only the fifth warmest year, after 1934, 1921, 1931 and 1953. In fact, 1998 was 0.6C cooler than 1934."

" Science " !!

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

danarhea said:
The "Evil Libs are dumbasses" meme again? The court ruled 7-2 on this part of the ruling, which means that 3 of the 5 Conservative judges voted in favor of it. Got something else to post instead of your ad hoc attacks on a group of people which, by the way, don't even make any sense?

Prove otherwise.

The Supreme court didn't push this Global warming nonsense, nor are they pushing these draconian measures to fight " Climate change ".

The Democrats are and have been for years.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Angela Merkel’s Vice Chancellor Stuns, Declares Germany’s ‘Energiewende’ To Be On ‘The Verge Of Failure’!

" The green energy orgy in Germany is over. The music has stopped and the wine that once flowed freely has long run out. The green energy whores and pimps can go home.

In a stunning admission by Germany’s Economics Minister and Vice Chancellor to Angela Merkel, Sigmar Gabriel announced in a recent speech that the country’s once highly ballyhooed transformation to renewable energy, the so called Energiewende, a model that has been adopted by a number of countries worldwide, is “on the verge of failure“.

" Science " !!!

Tettsuo · Jun 23, 2014

Fenton said:
High Costs and Errors of German Transition to Renewable Energy - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Bull, you have no idea what your'e talking about. It's NOT just about " Economics ", because now Germany's air is dirtier than it was before they entered into this disaster.

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/the-big-lie-becomes-official-at-noaa/

NOAA " The year 2012 was the warmest on record for the contiguous United States, beating the previous record by a full degree in temperature, a government climate agency said on Tuesday. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the average temperature in 2012 in the contiguous United States was 55.3 degrees Fahrenheit (12.94 degrees Celsius), 3.2 degrees above the average recorded during the 20th century and 1.0 degree above 1998, until now the hottest on record. "

" I will do a more complete analysis later, but for now I want you to focus on the bold sentence above, which claims that 1998 used to be the hottest year in the US.

In an article which NASA published in 1999, Hansen showed that 1998 was only the fifth warmest year, after 1934, 1921, 1931 and 1953. In fact, 1998 was 0.6C cooler than 1934."

" Science " !!

Again, your first link focuses on the financial burden of green energy. The second link I can't access from work.

And since I can post links too, here's one from Henry Paulson:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/22/opinion/sunday/lessons-for-climate-change-in-the-2008-recession.html?_r=0

THERE is a time for weighing evidence and a time for acting. And if there’s one thing I’ve learned throughout my work in finance, government and conservation, it is to act before problems become too big to manage.

For too many years, we failed to rein in the excesses building up in the nation’s financial markets. When the credit bubble burst in 2008, the damage was devastating. Millions suffered. Many still do.

We’re making the same mistake today with climate change. We’re staring down a climate bubble that poses enormous risks to both our environment and economy. The warning signs are clear and growing more urgent as the risks go unchecked.

This is a crisis we can’t afford to ignore. I feel as if I’m watching as we fly in slow motion on a collision course toward a giant mountain. We can see the crash coming, and yet we’re sitting on our hands rather than altering course.

We need to act now, even though there is much disagreement, including from members of my own Republican Party, on how to address this issue while remaining economically competitive. They’re right to consider the economic implications. But we must not lose sight of the profound economic risks of doing nothing.

Tettsuo · Jun 23, 2014

Here's another from the Rolling Stone Mag

Global Warming's Terrifying New Math | Politics News | Rolling Stone

If the pictures of those towering wildfires in Colorado haven't convinced you, or the size of your AC bill this summer, here are some hard numbers about climate change: June broke or tied 3,215 high-temperature records across the United States. That followed the warmest May on record for the Northern Hemisphere – the 327th consecutive month in which the temperature of the entire globe exceeded the 20th-century average, the odds of which occurring by simple chance were 3.7 x 10-99, a number considerably larger than the number of stars in the universe.Meteorologists reported that this spring was the warmest ever recorded for our nation – in fact, it crushed the old record by so much that it represented the "largest temperature departure from average of any season on record." The same week, Saudi authorities reported that it had rained in Mecca despite a temperature of 109 degrees, the hottest downpour in the planet's history.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

It's always been the same lie, the same scam, the same bait and switch.

The green energy lobby ( Democrats ) promises to save the world....but for a price.

Maybe soon, we'll pay 20 Billion a year for Electricity that has a 3 Billion dollar market price just like the Germans.

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Tettsuo said:
Here's another from the Rolling Stone Mag

Global Warming's Terrifying New Math | Politics News | Rolling Stone

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Here's some Math.

Germans pay 300 percent more for their electricity than we do, and its going up soon as their Government prepares to raise the premium thats been tacked onto to their kilowatt hour usage.

They are currently paying 20 Billion for Electricity that has a 3 Billion dollar market price.

And they're now more dependant on Coal than they were before Merkel shut down the Nuke power plants.

They pay 300 percent more for their electricity than we do so they can have dirtier air and burn massive amounts of Coal.

" Science " !!

And warmest ever ? Lie.

NOAA have been replacing actual temperature measurements with a Computer model that continues to push the false narrative of " Global warming ".

NOAA " When determining the existence of Global warming, absolute temperature measurements are not important "....

Huh ? Actual ambient measurements are not important ?

Why, because actual temperature measurements would contradict their BS agenda ?

Fenton · Jun 23, 2014

Tettsuo said:
Again, your first link focuses on the financial burden of green energy. The second link I can't access from work.

And since I can post links too, here's one from Henry Paulson:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/22/opinion/sunday/lessons-for-climate-change-in-the-2008-recession.html?_r=0

Yes, yes, " we need to act now " ....

Famous last words.

The second link is the German finance minister explaining to a group of green energy lobbyists that their switch to renewable energy is on the verge of total failure.

You think ?

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