Just when you thought the dems hit bottom, a new low is found...

[Fishking]

Yeah and sometimes "The People" get it wrong.

We saw it with Brexit and by all that is divine I hope we don't see it with Trump.

The American people cannot be THAT misguided... Surely.

Yeah...those stupid Brexit people getting it all wrong wanting their own sovereignty back and the ability for self-determination. Stupid people.

 

[sKiTzo]

First off, I am not supporting Hillary, never have.
Secondly, you make lost of accusations yet cannot provide and proof to validate them, meaning it is your Opinion.
Third, Sanders is Out and the Dems and the US reject his brand of Socialism, we cannot afford it.
Forth, Trump does not have the best interests of We The People in mind, Trump only has the best interests of Trump in mind.
The end is coming no matter who wins, wrap your brain around that.

I provided proof and validated the accusations in a thread weeks ago. Sanders' socialism is waaaaay more affordable than a continued state of war-mongering imperialistic fascism.

 

[sKiTzo]

Seeing as the same can be said of Trump, it isn't a basis for deciding whether/which candidate to vote for. They're both bad in many ways, and it seems the main dividing differences are that (1) Hillary actually does have experience as a pragmatic politician, and (2) Trump is either a disgusting loudmouth bigot or is pretending to be one for votes.

Inadequate experience according to the FBI statement I just watched which was basically "she's an idiot but we recommend no charges based on that we feel she wasn't a willful idiot".
Fact is, she knew it was illegal to use another server to transmit classified information yet she secretly set up another server in order to subvert the White House server. That is willful. BY DEFAULT, it is willful. The FBI thinks their "assessment" is acceptable.

 

[sKiTzo]

I guess that's what happens when you don't raise enough money to create your own adds. You have to try and re-use other people's old ones.

I don't think he's raising money. He claims to be self-financed. No ad he could ever create would be so perfect. Why not re-use it? It's fkn brilliant!

 

[sKiTzo]

I agree they are both bad in many ways, but I disagree on the main dividing differences. I see them this way:

1. Hillary is corrupt, a liar and everything she does is determined by the question of whether it'll help her, personally, or hurt her. Any consideration of the effects on anybody else...especially on the public...is secondary.

2. Trump is a blowhard.

I see this as making Trump the lesser of evils.

Agreed, but at least with Trump it won't be "business as usual". His different approach guarantees change.

 

[sKiTzo]

Not to worry the corrupt part of Trumps resume is coming out slowly but surely.

I trust Neither, there is not a lesser of two evils that is worthy of any support in my opinion.

We're still waiting for it to come out though...what's the slow first part? Do tell.

 

[sKiTzo]

No, it was actually WE THE EXTREMIST GOVERNMENT HATING RACISTS who succeeded in taking over the Republican Party. They deserve the thanks of every Democrat in the country.

I think everybody recognizes the manipulative nature of the use of the word "racist" when referring to Trump. It's not working.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Oh. Now I'm trying to set you up.

LOL!!

Yeah...you are "way ahead of me". Way out in left field, that is.

Yup...way, way, way ahead of you.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Hillary supporters CLEARLY don't care about an extremely excessive amount of mud (completely covered in mud) so Trump supporters should care about "possible" mud?

Then don't.

How does someone even arrive at that?

How do I arrive at what???

I DO think Donald Trump is going to come out of this thing looking like a fool, and with lots of mud on him.

And I DO realize that I may be wrong.

Are you actually asking me how I arrive at that?

 

[calamity]

I don't think he's raising money. He claims to be self-financed. No ad he could ever create would be so perfect. Why not re-use it? It's fkn brilliant!

What Trump claims and what Trump is are worlds apart. His supporters just haven't figured that out yet.

 

[Mycroft]

Agreed, but at least with Trump it won't be "business as usual". His different approach guarantees change.

If his changes are limited to the things he says he wants to do in his policy statements, then they are changes I can live with.

 

[Wiggen]

I think everybody recognizes the manipulative nature of the use of the word "racist" when referring to Trump. It's not working.

Actually it is working. And it's working because it's accurate. If you don't believe me check out the polls with Latinos and African Americans. They recognize a KKK loving demagogue when they see one. So does the KKK. They love them some Trump.

 

[Wiggen]

If his changes are limited to the things he says he wants to do in his policy statements, then they are changes I can live with.

Does that include banning all Muslims from the United States, rounding up those that are here at putting them in internment camps, and deporting all 12 million 'illegals'? Not surprising that those are changes you can live with.

 

[Mycroft]

Does that include banning all Muslims from the United States, rounding up those that are here at putting them in internment camps, and deporting all 12 million 'illegals'? Not surprising that those are changes you can live with.

You see...this is why nobody can talk to you in particular and most liberals in general.

Trump has never said he would ban all Muslims from the US...he has never said he wants to put any of them in internment camps...and, to tell you the truth, I didn't know there were 12 million illegal Muslims in the US but if there is, then yeah...I'd be okay with deporting them. After all, that's what our laws say we should do with them.

Now, Wiggen, I'm sure you'll respond with all kinds of BS about how Trump said he's going to do this or that but keep in mind exactly what I said: If his changes are limited to the things he says he wants to do in his policy statements... I'm not interested in what some other person "thinks" Trump meant when he said something.

 

[jpn]

I'm afraid you're wrong. What matters is the Electoral College vote. The People have very little to do with it.

I agree with that. We would have elected Al Gore in 2000 (he won the popular vote by a million or so votes) and not invaded Iraq. What a miss.

 

[jpn]

Agreed.
You don't speak for "us" adults.
You see a lot of things that don't exist. In typical liberal fashion you're off in utopia-land and you have no concept of actually landing the plane.
Your spin is devoid of substance. Tell ya what - the economy is in shambles, terrorists have taken over the middle east, and this president thinks the priority is trannies feeling good about themselves when they use the loo.
I mean no offense, but your party is in no position to be talking about substance. We've all seen the "substance" that Mr. Hope and Change is made of. Generally speaking, it's brown and it stinks.

It's like conservatives just refuse to argue specific policies. Why is that, do you suppose?
Could it be that the policies that the Republican Party stands for, like opposing the minimum wage but supporting massive tax cuts for the rich aren't really popular with the general public? So they spend all their time trying to change the subject to personalities?
:thinking
Weird.

 

[jpn]

Agreed, but at least with Trump it won't be "business as usual". His different approach guarantees change.

If I were an anarchist, I'd definitely vote for Trump. Everything about him stinks of chaos and ruin.

 

[jpn]

If his changes are limited to the things he says he wants to do in his policy statements... I'm not interested in what some other person "thinks" Trump meant when he said something.

Cool! Mycroft's rolling out the latest conservative strategy to get past all the insane racist sh*t Trump spouts every day!

"Don't listen to him folks! Just ignore that crazy carnival barker with the weird toupee and the small hands! Go to his web site instead!"

What...what's that smell? Is it...desperation!?!

 

[jpn]

Because Hillary is a pretty bad mascot for all those good points you make. She's really a terrible candidate.

Thanks. Hopefully people agree with my point that we're not voting for who puts on the best show. We're voting for what policies this nation should follow.

 

[calamity]

Thanks. Hopefully people agree with my point that we're not voting for who puts on the best show. We're voting for what policies this nation should follow.

If, that is, you can trust her to push those policies forward. Obama talked a good game, but then he did a lame job with the execution. In the end, we got very little of what was promised.

 

[jpn]

If you can trust her to push those policies forward. Obama talked a good game, but then he did a lame job with the execution. In the end, we got very little of what was promised.

Well, unfortunately in Obama's case, but fortunately most other times, the president is not a king. The Republican Party clearly decided from the very beginning that helping Obama succeed would be bad for their party, even if it would be good for the country. So they opposed him at every turn. The fact that he was able to get what he did done is pretty impressive.

And more to the point, we got a president who believes in science, who believes in mainstream economics, who was cautious overseas, who understands that diplomacy generally succeeds better than war, who believes in a woman's right to choose, and who fought for the poor (Obamacare) and the middle class at the expense of the rich rather than visa-versa.

Do you think there's really any doubt when it comes to Secretary Clinton?

 

[Mycroft]

Cool! Mycroft's rolling out the latest conservative strategy to get past all the insane racist sh*t Trump spouts every day!

"Don't listen to him folks! Just ignore that crazy carnival barker with the weird toupee and the small hands! Go to his web site instead!"

What...what's that smell? Is it...desperation!?!

Not desperation at all. I simply answered a question.

I guess you just don't like my answer, eh? So it goes...


btw, I noticed you didn't comment on Wiggin's spin and lies and my dismissal of them. Perhaps that means you support his drivel?

 

[calamity]

Well, unfortunately in Obama's case, but fortunately most other times, the president is not a king. The Republican Party clearly decided from the very beginning that helping Obama succeed would be bad for their party, even if it would be good for the country. So they opposed him at every turn. The fact that he was able to get what he did done is pretty impressive.

And more to the point, we got a president who believes in science, who believes in mainstream economics, who was cautious overseas, who understands that diplomacy generally succeeds better than war, who believes in a woman's right to choose, and who fought for the poor (Obamacare) and the middle class at the expense of the rich rather than visa-versa.

Do you think there's really any doubt when it comes to Secretary Clinton?

Bernie supporters seem to be taking a close look at Jill Stein.
Think You’ve Got It Locked, Hillary? Meet Jill Stein. - POLITICO Magazine

 

[Wiggen]

You see...this is why nobody can talk to you in particular and most liberals in general.

Trump has never said he would ban all Muslims from the US...he has never said he wants to put any of them in internment camps...and, to tell you the truth, I didn't know there were 12 million illegal Muslims in the US but if there is, then yeah...I'd be okay with deporting them. After all, that's what our laws say we should do with them.

Now, Wiggen, I'm sure you'll respond with all kinds of BS about how Trump said he's going to do this or that but keep in mind exactly what I said: If his changes are limited to the things he says he wants to do in his policy statements... I'm not interested in what some other person "thinks" Trump meant when he said something.

And once more you are in denial. He certainly did say he wanted to ban all Muslims from entering the United States. As with most of his ridiculous statements made to get cheap cheers from the racists, he subsequently backed off his stupid racist idea. The 12 million he wants to round up and deport are Latinos, but then you knew that, didn't you Mycroft? You Trumpies are in your own little Cloud Cuckoo Land, where you agree with everything Trump says, even if he contradicts what he said the week before. Which of course you believed.

What exactly are Trump's policies that you are so proud of? The man has no principles, and no core values. This should be fun.

 

[Wiggen]

Bernie supporters seem to be taking a close look at Jill Stein.
Think You’ve Got It Locked, Hillary? Meet Jill Stein. - POLITICO Magazine

Many Bernie supporters are not Democrats, so they're the same people who vote for the loony Greens every election. Good riddance.