Parmenion said:
Where did the liberal card come out of? Don't remember giving any political point of viwe in this forum to date in any way shape or form.
Some people see the word “liberal” and freak out, and that is strange, but somewhat predictable. I think the reaction is a subconscious diversion, so you do not have to respond to the actual substance, admit you were wrong about the volunteer corps, or give me the coordinates.
It just so happens that many people who claim to be liberals, as the person that said Osama was “playing by the rules of warfare,” have some tyrannical moral rot of “by any means necessary.“ They are unorthodox and seem to have brain damage. And in that old 2002 topic where I asked the questions I also said that I thought that the moral rot was similar to what Saddam believed:
“Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)
When I once quoted that without saying who said it, a “liberal” Democrat, who was later a Kucinich supporter, thought I had come around, and they agreed with what I had said. That particular “liberal” also regularly claimed that everyone was brainwashed if they didn’t believe the way she did, and that is quite a tyrannical concept. Saddam in that section of his letter to us was describing the very nature of a terrorist/tyrant, taking the law into their own hands because they “feel” that they are unjustly treated. Only a tyrant would believe they have such rights above any social contract, it is in essence a Baathist/Nazi Nationalist get out the calipers to measure our skulls “survival of the fittest” type thing. They think they are gods because if we do not believe the way they do we should get on our knees to polish their idols or get blown up. And then Saddam says of such criminals that “They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings.” They are peas in a pod. Al Quacka was mis-appreciated and in danger of losing their Taliban surroundings on October 29, 2001. Also you do not have to read the seventh book of the Koran or be a rocket scientist to understand what “messengers” he was referring to in that letter. Our own fifth column Minister Louis Farrakhan also clearly referred to the terrorists as messengers in his response:
“Whenever a nation becomes great and powerful by God’s Permission, as America has; whenever a nation becomes the undisputed ruler of the world, as America has, by Allah’s Permission; when a nation becomes the only remaining superpower, having the power to destroy other nations and people by the tens of thousands and millions, as Allah has permitted America the power to do, and that nation then has a spiritual lapse and begins to sink into moral decline, the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) raises a messenger, but he raises that messenger from among the poor and the abject to guide and to warn the great and the powerful.
Allah (God) knows that the powerful will not heed a warning coming from their ex-slave or from the weak or from the abject, so the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) then seizes that nation with distress and affliction, that it might humble itself. For only in humility can the proud and the powerful heed the Guidance of God, which is mercy and grace from Himself. Allah (God) used this tragedy, hopefully, to bring a great nation to Himself.”
http://www.noi.org/press-events/transcript_us.attacked09-16-2001.htm
I also deliberately mentioned “conservatives” in the above post to you, but really conservatives honorably folded the Confederate flag and did not become “liberal” and dishonorable terrorists like the IRA for instance.
Is Osama a liberal or a conservative? I would like to believe that he is an unorthodox “liberal” that thinks he is a conservative, still I have many unanswered questions about his book.
I also deliberately put the word “liberal” in quotes, in that question, for a special emphasis, because each person must define what they are. The word “liberal” has such a large definition, but I was on a board with many of them in the environment, so that is why the word was used. Labels do not always work as the book “Terror and Liberalism“ by Paul Berman proves in this instance; it is a book that I recommend. If you have not read it, you should.
