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Just like Kim Davis defied the law in Kentucky democrat elections officials defy Iowa law

If lawmakers pass laws which democrats don't like does that mean the lawmakers are wrong and the democrats are right? Is that why democrats support open borders, because they believe American immigration laws are invalid unless approved by democrats?

The laws I referred to were passed with the specific intent to help republicans, as officials have admitted. Yes, it’s possible for democrats not to like them and also be right about them being unjust. Can you refer me to democratic legislation that suggests open borders? (Obama was derided by activists as the “ Deporter in Chief.”) But maybe dems give that impression because they don’t lie about or insult immigrants while republicans tend to keep quiet about Trump’s attacks, lies, and fear mongering. Tho to be fair many of can’t stand what Trump does and say so.
 
The law she broke was contempt of court... Has there been a court order in this case?

Do democrats think nthey can disobey laws unless ordered by the courts to obey them? Was Kim Davis' disregard for the law only made criminal after, but not before, the court ordered her to obey the law?
 
The laws I referred to were passed with the specific intent to help republicans, as officials have admitted. Yes, it’s possible for democrats not to like them and also be right about them being unjust. Can you refer me to democratic legislation that suggests open borders? (Obama was derided by activists as the “ Deporter in Chief.”) But maybe dems give that impression because they don’t lie about or insult immigrants while republicans tend to keep quiet about Trump’s attacks, lies, and fear mongering. Tho to be fair many of can’t stand what Trump does and say so.

If legislative bodies pass laws that appear to some to be political in nature does that mean the laws are invalid?
 
Do democrats think nthey can disobey laws unless ordered by the courts to obey them? Was Kim Davis' disregard for the law only made criminal after, but not before, the court ordered her to obey the law?

It was made illegal when the court ordered her to issue licenses and she refused. Is this really a hard concept for your to grasp?
 
Do democrats think nthey can disobey laws unless ordered by the courts to obey them? Was Kim Davis' disregard for the law only made criminal after, but not before, the court ordered her to obey the law?

No law is being disobeyed. You got duped. The law doesn't preclude any and all prefilled fields on a ballot. Do you really think they're not allowed to put your name on the ballot? That would make it even less secure!
 
No law is being disobeyed. You got duped. The law doesn't preclude any and all prefilled fields on a ballot. Do you really think they're not allowed to put your name on the ballot? That would make it even less secure!

These are not ballots that are being mailed, they are absentee ballot REQUEST forms.
 
We live in a day when elected officials seem to think they can obey laws they like and disobey laws they don't like, and the public and the legislature be damned.

Iowa democrats are not happy with Iowa laws protecting voting from fraud, so they challenge the law in court and break the law without waiting for a decision.

Iowa Secretary of State will mail ballot request forms ahead of November election

Before approving the secretary of state's request, Republicans on the Legislative Council voted down Democratic proposals to extend the early voting period from 29 days to 40 days and to allow county auditors to mail absentee ballot request forms with each voter's information already filled in.

Senate Majority Leader Jack Whitver, R-Ankeny, said county auditors who send out pre-filled ballot request forms would be undermining the state's voter ID law. Linn and Johnson counties have announced plans to do so.

"With this order, it is clear any auditor who sends out a pre-populated form with the voter ID PIN is ignoring the law. Auditors and voters should be on notice that this action shows clear disregard for the law and could easily lead to election fraud," Whitver said.

Rep. Sharon Steckman, D-Mason City, said officials should be trying to make it easier for people to request their ballots.

"County auditors are elected to make sure their constituents can vote without confusion. They are only sending information to the person that it belongs to," she said.

More:Two groups sue over new absentee-ballot restriction facing Iowa county auditors
Pate plans to mail blank request forms to voters. County auditors' ability to process those requests and send ballots to voters will be complicated by another law passed this year that prevents them from using the state's voter registration database to fill in any missing information on submitted request forms. That information could include a missing name, address, driver's license number or voter PIN.

On Tuesday, the League of United Latin American Citizens and Majority Forward, a Democratic-aligned nonprofit, sued Pate over the law, which requires the county auditor's office to contact the voter by telephone, email or physical mail rather than filling in the blanks using the database.


State lawmakers passed the laws for the protection of Iowa voting against fraud. Democrats do not like those protections and have announced they will not abide by the law when they send out pre-filled forms to all registered voters on the books, whether still eligible to vote or not.

And is anyone surprised that liberal/democrats are ignoring the laws? Liberal judges make a habit out of legislating from the bench and the democrats in Congress ignore law all the time. The practice of issuing pre-filled out ballots just makes the possibility of voter fraud a sure thing. Millions of ballots pre-filled out with names and voter information on them mean that any person who gets their hands on that document an easily commit voter fraud. Of course to hear the democrats tell it, no-one would do that. We also know the voter rolls are not accurate as millions upon millions of deceased voters still remain on the voting rolls. So when they vote, despite their deaths, I'm sure the democrats will want those ballots counted.
 
And is anyone surprised that liberal/democrats are ignoring the laws? Liberal judges make a habit out of legislating from the bench and the democrats in Congress ignore law all the time. The practice of issuing pre-filled out ballots just makes the possibility of voter fraud a sure thing. Millions of ballots pre-filled out with names and voter information on them mean that any person who gets their hands on that document an easily commit voter fraud. Of course to hear the democrats tell it, no-one would do that. We also know the voter rolls are not accurate as millions upon millions of deceased voters still remain on the voting rolls. So when they vote, despite their deaths, I'm sure the democrats will want those ballots counted.

Again, they are not ballots, the are absentee ballot REQUEST forms. Like just about every other state, Iowa has a secret ballot and actual ballots contain no information that identifies the voter.
 
How does sending registered voters a voter request form violate the voter ID law?



What does these previously filled out forms look like, if you claim that they are a violation of the law? Obviously they need to be signed. That signature is a legal authorization of acceptance. If they forge that signature it is a felony.

The republicans don't seem to have a problem with this idea, if you had bothered to read,



Go find something else to rage about, because this is a non-starter.

It sounds good to the dittoheads who believe anything. Never mind it's republicans in control of iowa. Just say it's the dems and that's all it takes for them to believe.
 
If legislative bodies pass laws that appear to some to be political in nature does that mean the laws are invalid?

Of course not. But laws that are intended to suppress votes in order to favor one party are disgraceful. Look at a map of the states that first instituted voter ID. They are the same southern states (plus AZ) that were named in the Voting Rights Act. After the Supremes said the law was out of date, bingo! -- the covered states soon instituted unreviewable voter ID laws, in absence of any evidence of significant voter fraud, proving the Voting Rights Act was not out of date. Sunday voting, used by black churches to get "souls to the polls" was ended. In one place, student voter picture ID was not valid but a concealed carry permit was. Gee, wonder why? Republicans know they tend to lose when turnout is high, so they have tried to keep it low. As Trump said, you would never have a republican elected again if there was universal mail in voting. Can you say with a straight face that all this Post Office stuff would be going on if Trump were ahead in the polls?
 
No law is being disobeyed. You got duped. The law doesn't preclude any and all prefilled fields on a ballot. Do you really think they're not allowed to put your name on the ballot? That would make it even less secure!

You are right. If they send out ballots to only eligible voters and if those ballots are blank then no law will be broken.
 
Of course not. But laws that are intended to suppress votes in order to favor one party are disgraceful. Look at a map of the states that first instituted voter ID. They are the same southern states (plus AZ) that were named in the Voting Rights Act. After the Supremes said the law was out of date, bingo! -- the covered states soon instituted unreviewable voter ID laws, in absence of any evidence of significant voter fraud, proving the Voting Rights Act was not out of date. Sunday voting, used by black churches to get "souls to the polls" was ended. In one place, student voter picture ID was not valid but a concealed carry permit was. Gee, wonder why? Republicans know they tend to lose when turnout is high, so they have tried to keep it low. As Trump said, you would never have a republican elected again if there was universal mail in voting. Can you say with a straight face that all this Post Office stuff would be going on if Trump were ahead in the polls?

Who cares what motives elections officials may have for complying with federal and state elections laws, if those officials do not purge their voter registries of the names of ineligible voters then they are breaking the law, just like Kim Davis did.
 
Here is the quote. Whitver said any counties which send out pre-filled ballots are violating the law. Linn and Johnson county democrats announced their plans to defy the law. The democrats are suing in court to be allowed to defy the law. Trump and republicans are suing in court to force the democrats to abide by the law.


Senate Majority Leader Jack Whitver, R-Ankeny, said county auditors who send out pre-filled ballot request forms would be undermining the state's voter ID law. Linn and Johnson counties have announced plans to do so.

Are they sending out pre-filled ballots as well as mail-in ballot applications? There is a difference.

Now, if the folks are indeed guilty of a crime, then they should be arrested, charged, prosecuted, tried by a jury of their peers, and sentenced by a judge. That is how the system works. If this does not happen, then this is all just a bunch of pre-election bluster by republicans.
 
Who cares what motives elections officials may have for complying with federal and state elections laws, if those officials do not purge their voter registries of the names of ineligible voters then they are breaking the law, just like Kim Davis did.

You missed my point. It’s not election officials whose motives I question. It’s the motivation of politicians who passed laws to suppress votes that are undemocratic.
 
Are they sending out pre-filled ballots as well as mail-in ballot applications? There is a difference.

Now, if the folks are indeed guilty of a crime, then they should be arrested, charged, prosecuted, tried by a jury of their peers, and sentenced by a judge. That is how the system works. If this does not happen, then this is all just a bunch of pre-election bluster by republicans.

(they're not guilty of any crime)
 
You missed my point. It’s not election officials whose motives I question. It’s the motivation of politicians who passed laws to suppress votes that are undemocratic.

Most laws are debated in legislatures before they are passed, some vigorously. However, after laws are passed the laws are to be obeyed and enforced, not questioned as if obedience to the law depends on an ongoing debate position about the law.
 
Most laws are debated in legislatures before they are passed, some vigorously. However, after laws are passed the laws are to be obeyed and enforced, not questioned as if obedience to the law depends on an ongoing debate position about the law.

Of course you obey the laws. But not question them? Hardly.
 
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