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Just can't wait for the liberal excuses which are sure to follow

Big loss with the Afghan government being excluded as ya can't get any weaker or corrupt than them.
The point is Trump allowed the Taliban to call the shots. Wasn't that a good message to send to the Afghan government? The USA signalling that they'll deal with the Taliban excluding the government?
And Trumpists are calling Biden incompetent.
 
The point is Trump allowed the Taliban to call the shots. Wasn't that a good message to send to the Afghan government? The USA signalling that they'll deal with the Taliban excluding the government?
And Trumpists are calling Biden incompetent.
We flat out know that Biden is incompetent but the jury is still out on Trump.
 
""President Biden's statement on Saturday washing his hands of Afghanistan deserves to go down as one of the most shameful in history by a Commander in Chief at such a moment of American retreat," the editors wrote on Sunday."

Did the WSJ have anything to say when Trump caved in to the Taliban demand that the Afghan government not be involved in their negotiations? What was the point of negotiating with the Taliban anyway? Talk about shameful, Trumps whole handling of foreign affairs was about bailing on allies and negotiating with despots and terrorists, from the Kurds through Kim the Nork all the way to the Taliban.
 
We flat out know that Biden is incompetent but the jury is still out on Trump.
Bullshit. Trump bailed on allies and dealt with despots and terrorists. Just ask the Kurds or Kim Jong-un. Or the Afghan ex-government.
 
I know. Trump lost, bigly.

At least you know Trump's "peace deal" with the Taliban was garbage. Even the GOP knows it, which is why they are scrubbing all references to the Trump deal. They know it failed. Poor Biden has to clean up there now and come up with his own plan.
Our strategy in Afghanistan has been garbage since the day the mission became more than eradicating al Qaeda. None of that excuses Biden's malfeasance with this exit "plan." It's already a disaster and getting worse. If you can't acknowledge that your commentary here isn't to be taken seriously.
 
I think you love partisan nonsense. Biden is in charge, not Trump.
So you are saying Trump has no blame in this when he was a nitwit and actually believed the Taliban would negotiate in good faith? What is it with him trusting oppressive regimes? I am willing to admit Biden's mistake here. Are you willing to admit Trump made a big one as well?
 
We flat out know that Biden is incompetent but the jury is still out on Trump.
trump allowed Putin and the Taliban to assassinate our soldiers and stayed forever SILENT afterwards.
 
So you are saying Trump has no blame in this when he was a nitwit and actually believed the Taliban would negotiate in good faith? What is it with him trusting oppressive regimes? I am willing to admit Biden's mistake here. Are you willing to admit Trump made a big one as well?
Trump is not to blame for this disaster of a withdrawal. You're going to have to face up to that sooner or later.
 
What is going on in Afganastan is an unmittegated desaster perpetrated by Biden, his advisors and military generals. Unless you're brain dead you have to know that these Taliban animals are going to wreak havock on the local populace. There are already reports of beheadings in the streets. God help our Afgan friends who worked with and for the military knowing they were putting their lives in our hands. The Taliban crimminals will search them all out (as many as 50k), they will be executed along with their families. Why weren't they evacuated before being put in such grave danger? This is all on your savior and he needs to be criticized appropriately. can you do that? Have you seen the picture of Biden where he is hiding, sitting at a huge table all my himself? Talk about the vision of a LITTLE impotent man.
Pulling out of Afghanistan was supported by Republicans and 70% of Americans. You can shout at the top of buildings it was Biden but Afghanistan was lost the minute we went into Iraq and diverted resources/manpower/attention to Iraq rather than Afghanistan. Unless there was a bill proposed or supported by Republicans that would of invested money into Afghanistan and actually tried to fix the issues there the writing was on the wall like a decade ago.
 
And Trumpists are calling Biden incompetent.
CNN has been calling Biden incompetent for a few days now. They have always protected him so if his level of incompetence has risen so highly that even they can't hide it, it must be pretty bad.
 
What is going on in Afganastan is an unmittegated desaster perpetrated by Biden, his advisors and military generals.
The headline read, "President Biden fails in Afghanistan."

Afghanistan, "the graveyard of empires."

Of course, Biden failed in Afghanistan. Twenty years, two trillion dollars, tens of thousands of dead and wounded later this should come as no surprise. After all that, not a damn thing was accomplished. Yeah, Biden failed.

As did President Bush, and he started the war by invading Afghanistan. Bush was in office for eight years. The war was in full fury mode when he left office.

President "The Right War" Obama also failed in Afghanistan. He was in office for eight years and ultimately sent in 85,000 troops to defeat the Taliban. The war was in full fury mode when he left office.

President Trump also failed in Afghanistan. He was in office for eight years and all he did was order a retreat, trusting the Taliban would hold up their end of the bargain. Instead, the Taliban ignored the gullible American President. The war was in full fury mode when he left office.

Biden has been in office for seven months and he inherited the failed Afghan war from three previous Presidents. A massive offensive against the Taliban was out of the question. Biden would either be impeached or lynched. He had no choice but to withdraw, retreat, evacuate, surrender, whatever term the reader wishes to use. They all mean the same thing -- something the White House should learn.

But why did all this happened? It happened because American Presidents completely misread the people of Afghanistan.

The Afghan security forces number over 300,000, and they have an air force. They also have billions of dollars of equipment we gave them.

They have no desire to fight the Taliban.

The Taliban are Afghans. Moreover, they are the largest ethic group in Afghanistan.

Why are the Taliban America's enemy? Why did Bush attack the Taliban?

Because the Taliban gave safe haven to al Qaeda, the terrorist group that attacked us on 9/11.

Does anyone think the soldiers and officers of the Afghan army give a rat's ass about that twenty years later?

Essentially, we trained and equipped the Afghan army to fight Afghans. Also, members of the Afghan army have more in common with the Taliban than they do with Americans.

That is why America failed in Afghanistan. The twenty-year debacle should be treated as a lesson learned.

Never again.
 
What is your alternative? What should Biden have done differently?
Are you serious? Turn on CNN . They have been parading a whole line of experts, liberal and conservative, explaining how this has been strategically bungled.
 
Our strategy in Afghanistan has been garbage since the day the mission became more than eradicating al Qaeda. None of that excuses Biden's malfeasance with this exit "plan." It's already a disaster and getting worse. If you can't acknowledge that your commentary here isn't to be taken seriously.
Trump brags that it is his plan and Biden could do nothing to stop it and you are calling him a liar. Who should we believe?
 
Trump is not to blame for this disaster of a withdrawal. You're going to have to face up to that sooner or later.
You might be wasting your time. Some liberals would have criticized Trump if he would have created world piece and cured cancer.
Thankfully, most liberals know better. I never thought I'd say this but CNN has been doing a good job covering this....for now at least.
 
So you are saying Trump has no blame in this when he was a nitwit and actually believed the Taliban would negotiate in good faith? What is it with him trusting oppressive regimes? I am willing to admit Biden's mistake here. Are you willing to admit Trump made a big one as well?
Good point. This isn't much different than the national debt. It's time for all of us to agree. Both parties have screwed this up pretty bad for 2 decades.
 
You might be wasting your time. Some liberals would have criticized Trump if he would have created world piece and cured cancer.
Thankfully, most liberals know better. I never thought I'd say this but CNN has been doing a good job covering this....for now at least.
But he did none of those things. What he did was make a deal to turn Afghanistan over to the Taliban and then brag about it. Now that it is happening suddenly it is Bidens fault and we never wanted to get out of Afghanistan. Do you even see how stupid that is?


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But he did none of those things. What he did was make a deal to turn Afghanistan over to the Taliban and then brag about it. Now that it is happening suddenly it is Bidens fault and we never wanted to get out of Afghanistan. Do you even see how stupid that is?
Both sides have made a lot of mistakes and we all should admit it. The issue of the day is how badly this evacuation was planned. This amount of incompetence is close to rising to the level of criminal negligence.
 
ouch, now that is scathing.
I agree, it is scathing. But, to me, it's all so much bigger than even this scathing comment expresses. It's hard to even find words to express the complete lack of leadership (FROM ANYONE!) at this moment. It's simply shocking to watch these images and read these reports.
I posted various video from today in comment #200. I just heard some of those people continued to cling to that plane and then fell to their death.
 
Both sides have made a lot of mistakes and we all should admit it. The issue of the day is how badly this evacuation was planned. This amount of incompetence is close to rising to the level of criminal negligence.
Speaking of incompetence who removed all our weaponry and all but 2000 of our troops as well as authorizing the release of 5000 taliban prisoners' including the co founder of the Taliban who has now declared himself President?

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Trump brags that it is his plan and Biden could do nothing to stop it and you are calling him a liar. Who should we believe?
Donald Trump is a pathological liar, even by political standards. Do you really believe there is nothing Biden could or should have done to Trump's plan?
 
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