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July 5th, 2016...The US is now officially a third world nation, politically.

Moot said:
To show that the right wing didn't see or find any evidence of interference by Obama or Lynch in the FBI investigation...and it wasn't for lack of trying.
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Once again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
 
mak2 said:
I think no longer being proud of your country is a bit of an overreaction to the FBI not finding enough evidence to indict Hillary. Has it ever occurred to you the RW propaganda might be just that, and there really isn't enough evidence of wrongdoing?
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Here's the problem mak2, for the law to be broken, there doesn't have to be intent, just the act. The FBI Director, who prior to today had my respect, stated that they could not prove intent to break the law, not that they didn't break the law.

That nuance is unacceptable, in that if it were you or I, we would have already been arrested, handcuffed, and trotted out in front of the press in a perp walk.

Here's a few laws that we now know for sure, based on the FBI press conference, were broken by Mrs. Clinton:

Law 1 - 18 U.S. Code § 793 (f): Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. (italicized and underline added by me)

Law 2 - 44 U.S. Code § 3101 - Records management by agency heads: The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.

Law 3 - The 2009 Federal Records Act, Section 1236.22, 36 CFR 1236.22 (b): Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record keeping system.

You see, even if she didn't act with intent, as the FBI Director says there's no evidence of, then she acted with gross negligence. There are four elements (five in the link I give you here, but I combine 2 of them since they are related, and my law professor taught me the 4, as seen in this link) to prove negligence - 1) Duty, 2) Failure to act on the Duty, 3) a Harm, and 4) a Causal Relationship between the Failure to act on the Duty and Harm. All of which were discussed by the FBI Director in his press conference today. She obviously had a Duty to protect classified information under Law 2 and Law 3 above. Second, she failed to act on that duty as defined in Law 1 and Law 2 above as the evidence has shown. Third, the FBI Director has stated that classified information was transmitted in the open to people without the proper clearances and that it is possible that classified information was intercepted by enemies of the country, in violation of Law 1 above. and lastly, there is an undeniable relationship, a causal relationship (AKA in legal terms, a Proximal Cause) between Mrs. Clinton's failure to act on the Duty as specified in Law2 and Law 3, which caused the harm described as a breach of law in Law 1. So there it is, all four parts of Negligence. Gross Negligence because of who she was and the level of her duty to act.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Once again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
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If the watchful eye of the right wing couldn't see or find any evidence of interference....then that is in itself the evidence of absence. They are like the canary in the gold mine and would be the first to know.
 
Moot said:
If the watchful eye of the right wing couldn't see or find any evidence of interference....then that is in itself the evidence of absence. They are like the canary in the gold mine and would be the first to know.
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Sorry, but I don't have even that much confidence in the right-wing of this country. They are much more like the three stooges, but worse, considering the fact there are millions.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Well, friends, we are now OFFICIALLY a third world nation as far as our corrupt political system goes.

The POTUS has endorsed a criminal. The EX-POTUS husband of that same criminal appointed the very same Attorney General to her first office, then that same EX-POTUS met with his appointee in a closed door meeting on the tarmac in Phoenix, and only a few days later, there were no charges brought against her.

This whole affair is a stinking pile that can be smelled miles away, and is EXACTLY like most third world countries where political appointees and their friends are completely IMMUNE from the laws of the land.

Politically, we are just like some petty dictatorship where the friends of the dictator can do what they want, when they want, and as long as they want.

Our country's honor died today. Today, I am no longer a proud American. Today I feel like I stepped in something, and it won't scrape off.

Trump getting elected will not fix this. He will only bring in his own brand of corruption, and his own friends that will be likewise protected.

I will still leave my flag up outside the house in remembrance of better days.

Today is a sad day for honor.
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Uh, no.
 
roguenuke said:
Many combat vets have an issue with fireworks. What in the world does that have to do with anything? My husband has the same reaction and he hasn't been in a combat zone since before we got married.

Your fear of taking your shirt off because of your tattoo is your personal issue and frankly seems very unwarranted in reality. I'm proud of my service and will tell people so, even strangers. So what if that makes me a target by some nut ball? Just being in or having been in the military makes a person a target, as does almost anything you do since absolutely anything you do, say, show, or so many other things can make you a target of a nut.


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I don't have an issue with fireworks. For several years after combat I wouldn't miss the celebration. I used to tear up at the singing of the star spangled banner. But for I guess is the last seven years, I can't partake in the celebration because I feel sick to my stomach. I don't have a sense of pride and loyalty anymore. Something changed.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Seriously? You're surprised? If Hillary Clinton were indicted as a mass murderer who ran a child-porn ring and sold crack to unwed mothers for extra income, Lord Obama would STILL endorse her.


Money and influence.

Funny how liberals hate rich people, except those rich people in congress with "D's" behind their names.
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Grand Mal said:
Calm down. You didn't lose your cherry today. Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon for any crimes he may have committed during his presidency, before any charges were brought, thus heading off any investigation. I'm sure there have been other, worse abuses of power in your country's past, so a little less drama, okay?
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That case was quite different.

What we have now is a whole group of corrupt political appointees rampant through otherwise respected halls.

No one with a brain can believe Bill Clinton about what he talked about with Loretta Lynch, and then only days later they drop the whole issue.

No one with a brain can believe Obama did not know ahead of time about this to schedule Hillary to fly on Air Force One with him to NC for a campaign trip.

No one with a brain can believe the FBI was not coerced into dropping their investigation into a decades long friendship.

No one with a brain can accept for one second that Hillary had NOT been told weeks or months ago that she would be just fine and any probes would be squashed at the highest level (Obama or Lynch)

The fix was in long ago, and that is why Hillary behaved as she did. She KNOWS she is above the law, and it was proven today. Obama, Bill & Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, and several others were all in bed together to protect each other. They know it, and have the power to fire those that will not play ball, or pressure them into saying what they want them to say.

You want evidence?

read all of their carefully deleted emails. They were made to disappear for a very good reason.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Honor?

I don't suppose you remember when Ford pardoned Nixon of ALL crimes he MAY have committed while POTUS? And you don't remember Iran-Contra, where the conservatives (all the way up to Reagan) laughed when Ollie North got away with selling missiles to Iran - IRAN! - and using the money to fund a secret war?

Guy, compared just to those two instances, what Hillary did is small potatoes indeed! And then there's the Valerie Plame affair, where Dick Cheney approved exposing a CIA agent in time of war! And then there was Bush lying us into war, lying to his own Secretary of State in order to make sure that he helped sell the war.

Oh, and one more thing - one of the things that drove me away from the GOP was just after Bill Clinton got arrested, some GOP senator from one of the Carolinas warned him not to come down to that senator's state, because he - the senator - couldn't guarantee the president's safety. That was the wording...and anyone can see what he actually meant.

Honor? Pfah! When the GOP comes around and learns what honor is, let me know - 'cause they haven't a clue and haven't had one since Nixon implemented the Southern Strategy.
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...so then, this is all the Republicans fault then, right?

No Democrats were responsible for anything I mentioned...correct?

Is that what you just said?

I read it as..." because the GOP were corrupt in some things, what went down today was just fine and should be excused ".
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
That case was quite different.

What we have now is a whole group of corrupt political appointees rampant through otherwise respected halls.

No one with a brain can believe Bill Clinton about what he talked about with Loretta Lynch, and then only days later they drop the whole issue.

No one with a brain can believe Obama did not know ahead of time about this to schedule Hillary to fly on Air Force One with him to NC for a campaign trip.

No one with a brain can believe the FBI was not coerced into dropping their investigation into a decades long friendship.

No one with a brain can accept for one second that Hillary had NOT been told weeks or months ago that she would be just fine and any probes would be squashed at the highest level (Obama or Lynch)

The fix was in long ago, and that is why Hillary behaved as she did. She KNOWS she is above the law, and it was proven today. Obama, Bill & Hillary Clinton, Loretta Lynch, and several others were all in bed together to protect each other. They know it, and have the power to fire those that will not play ball, or pressure them into saying what they want them to say.

You want evidence?

read all of their carefully deleted emails. They were made to disappear for a very good reason.
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Oh, the drama!

Guess you need to move to a first world country then.

Unfortunately for you, EVERY SINGLE ONE is more liberal than the USA.


This, BTW, is not a coincidence.
 
one of my problems in life is I went to the Marine Corps school of self esteem. As far as I can tell being a cocky asshole has cost me 2 wives and 3 houses. Did the Navy teach you to be a victim? Man up, sailor.
RetiredNSmilin said:
...so then, this is all the Republicans fault then, right?

No Democrats were responsible for anything I mentioned...correct?

Is that what you just said?

I read it as..." because the GOP were corrupt in some things, what went down today was just fine and should be excused ".
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Grand Mal said:
Damn, the drama's getting knee-deep in this thread.
Know what, laddybuck? Your country will be just fine. Well, in 4 years and change, it'll be fine. You're just getting an attack of the hyperboles after two administrations of a Democratic president. Conservatives have such a sense of ownership about the US government that 8 years of Obama looks like the world ended 4 years ago. Hell, even the previous Democratic president was a conservative. It's gonna be at least 4 years before a conservative is in the White House, yes, but know what? Your country will be just fine.
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Yup, can't argue with that logic. It is hard for anyone in only 4 or 8 years, no matter how corrupt, to screw things up so bad an entire country goes down the tubes like Venezuela.

I made this thread only because I was so completely taken aback at how open and above board the corruption is with the Clintons, Obama, and all their appointees.

I thought there might be at least SOME sibilance of propriety among them, but NO. They are so corrupt, they do not care what they do anymore, or who knows about it. EXACTLY like some third world dictator does.

When will huge posters of their faces be hanging from every building and office?
 
Hari Seldon said:
I thought Texas was seceding? Worst days were probably 9/11 and our ill fated attempt to change the middle east thanks to the neocon, nut job CHICKENHAWKS and the financial meltdown of 2008 when I was laid off. All under the Texas moron. Go figure.
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There are very few Texans that will disagree with you.

You forgot that ENRON screw job they also pulled on all those employees and people about ready to retire....AFTER they bought a huge stadium in Houston and named it ENRON field.
 
Fledermaus said:
I reject the claim we have become a third world nation.

I've seen third world nations up close and personal and this ain't it.
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I did not say that. If you read it again, you will see I said POLITICALLY, we are a third world nation.

...attention to detail is a virtue.
 
Bootlace said:
I don't have an issue with fireworks. For several years after combat I wouldn't miss the celebration. I used to tear up at the singing of the star spangled banner. But for I guess is the last seven years, I can't partake in the celebration because I feel sick to my stomach. I don't have a sense of pride and loyalty anymore. Something changed.
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Bootlace...that is exactly what happened to me today on hearing all this crap, and how above board all the corruption is.

Something deep inside died when I saw how deep and protracted all of their corruption goes.

They are all so blatant about it, Bill Clinton has no issue meeting with the head investigator's boss in broad daylight, and tells her in private, to order the FBI to not bring any charges against her. Then only a few days later, it happens as ordered.

That is why I KNOW we have achieved a third world status here in America, POLITICALLY.

Does anyone with a brain actually believe Bill Clinton DID NOT tell ORDER his appointee to ORDER the FBI to let his wife alone? Of course he did.
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
Well, friends, we are now OFFICIALLY a third world nation as far as our corrupt political system goes.

The POTUS has endorsed a criminal. The EX-POTUS husband of that same criminal appointed the very same Attorney General to her first office, then that same EX-POTUS met with his appointee in a closed door meeting on the tarmac in Phoenix, and only a few days later, there were no charges brought against her.

This whole affair is a stinking pile that can be smelled miles away, and is EXACTLY like most third world countries where political appointees and their friends are completely IMMUNE from the laws of the land.

Politically, we are just like some petty dictatorship where the friends of the dictator can do what they want, when they want, and as long as they want.

Our country's honor died today. Today, I am no longer a proud American. Today I feel like I stepped in something, and it won't scrape off.

Trump getting elected will not fix this. He will only bring in his own brand of corruption, and his own friends that will be likewise protected.

I will still leave my flag up outside the house in remembrance of better days.

Today is a sad day for honor.
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Hyperbolic twaddle.
 
mak2 said:
one of my problems in life is I went to the Marine Corps school of self esteem. As far as I can tell being a cocky asshole has cost me 2 wives and 3 houses. Did the Navy teach you to be a victim? Man up, sailor.
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The Navy taught me to THINK, and how to logically troubleshoot a problem.

NOT, blindly make a diagnosis, and then shut your eyes to any and all evidence to the contrary.

Now...personally....don't you EVER call my manhood into question again!

You may be a moderator, but those kinds of insults are uncalled for.

You are in no position to tell me anything about how to live a successful life.
 
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Fledermaus said:
I reject the claim we have become a third world nation.

I've seen third world nations up close and personal and this ain't it.
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Hell, I've been to places that would only dream of graduating to third world. The stupid hyperbole of the OP is just angry nonsense.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Seriously? You're surprised? If Hillary Clinton were indicted as a mass murderer who ran a child-porn ring and sold crack to unwed mothers for extra income, Lord Obama would STILL endorse her.


Money and influence.

Funny how liberals hate rich people, except those rich people in congress with "D's" behind their names.
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If hippos had wings, there would be a lot of falling feces.

Such a waste of words.
 
Fledermaus said:
I reject the claim we have become a third world nation.

I've seen third world nations up close and personal and this ain't it.
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Of course we haven't. The political realm he speaks of has become so unbelievably alien with regard to the rest of the United States of America.
 
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