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I'm not your pal, bro.
You two need to get a room and makeup...
I'm not your pal, bro.
The American Revolution was not a real revolution. Not really. Or not one that really meant anything.
You two need to get a room and makeup...
:3oops: Sorry Paul, irreconcilable differences I'm afraid ....
Its hard to know because you wont make an argument. You just make statements. If you want to have a debate then back it up with facts, examples, logic, reasoning.
Oh, he did.
He made a completely absurd and unsupportable one.
:lamo What?
Representative democracy existed in Britain before it did in America. It wasn't exactly revolutionary. So America wasn't subservient to the Crown anymore. So what. The citizens were still by and large subservient to people with more wealth.
So what? :roll: I don't even know how to BEGIN to respond to that.
You'd think with something labeled a "revolution" that something more, I dunno, revolutionary would have taken place.
Eleven score and 17 years ago, our founders signed a document that started out the greatest experiment in self governance the world had ever known.
Now, 237 years later, how has that experiment changed, for better or worse?
For better: In 1776 "all men" meant "all white males". Today, it means "all mankind"
or does it? Perhaps it just means "all Americans." At least, the meaning has expanded.
but, "all men are created equal", meaning equal in opportunity, equal before the law still rings true.
For worse: "that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men" has come to include a whole lot more than securing rights. People seem more interested in security than in rights 237 years after the signing of the declaration.
What might this experiment in self governance produce in another 237 years?
Wild speculation is acceptable for that last one.
We gained independence from England when the cards were stacked against us. I think that's pretty revolutionary. A LOT of people lost their lives too. It seemed to be pretty important and "revolutionary" to them.
So power and wealth moved from a group of wealthy white landowning men to... wealthy landowning white men
Very revolutionary
And of course it was important to them. They were told it should be important to them. They were probably very slightly better off after than they were before.
Sorry if you don't get it.
projection much?
That should be "project much?" :mrgreen:
you get applause for correcting my grammar
go you
:applaud
oh please jonny ... it's the same with every poster who doesn't have much to say ... pretend you make well supported arguments and say the other poster doesn't ...:yawn:
Well then get out of the herd and act differently.
So what? :roll: I don't even know how to BEGIN to respond to that.
I agree with the bulk of your post so i won't debate it. I wil offer a speculation.
I think we'll see a transition from a representative form of government to a Corporate controlled society, with each acting as a sovereign power with loyalty bases among various segments of the population who depend on the corporation for their livelyhood. Government would simply be a rubber stamp for the most powerful of these corporate entities, if it even still existed.
you do the same pal ... :rock
I suppose we could review the "all men are created equal" phrase, the writing of the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights, the dream of Manifest Destiny, the copycat revolutions that followed, but, then it was still a capitalist economy and so doesn't count as a real Marxist sort of revolution.
which is a good thing, IMO, but then, others may have other opinions on that score.
Im not your pal, Bro.
LOL ... have a good one comrade ....