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Judge rules against Trump on tax records

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Another day, another brutal loss for the man who makes it up as he goes along.

The ruling by US District Judge Victor Marrero follows a landmark Supreme Court decision this summer and subsequent arguments from Trump that he has presidential immunity from such an inquiry.

"Justice requires an end to this controversy," Marrero wrote.
Sounds like the judge was pissed.

Judge rules against Trump in tax records subpoena fight - CNNPolitics
 

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Trump already released his tax returns like every other Presidential candidate (for decades and decades).
 

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Donnie loses again...what a shocker. If Donnie were a boxer, the boxing commission would take his license to preserve his health.
 

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Trump already released his tax returns like every other Presidential candidate (for decades and decades).

FWIW TRUMP has NOT released his tax returns like every other Presidential candidate, the reason given he is under "audit"

TAX HUNT: President Trump WILL NOT Release Tax Records Under Audit - YouTube

also,...

The Supreme Court, perhaps as early as tomorrow, is expected to hand down its decisions in two cases (Trump v. Mazars and Trump v. Vance) involving subpoenas for President Trump’s financial records. One set of subpoenas, issued by several House committees, seeks to acquire records relating to the president’s finances and businesses from his accounting firm, Mazars, and from two banks with which Trump has done business. The other set of subpoenas, issued in the name of Cyrus Vance, the District Attorney for the County of New York, seeks the same records the House committees has requested, as well as eight years of Trump’s business and personal tax returns. Both Mazars and the banks have indicated that if the Supreme Court so rules, they will turn over the subpoenaed records.

The concerns suggested by the justices’ comments in oral argument, as well as the strength of the legal cases Trump can mount, suggest he has a better chance of prevailing in Mazars and its companion case, Deutsche Bank, than he does in Vance. However, even if Trump loses both cases, it is unlikely that most Americans will see Trump’s tax returns any time soon.

Waiting for Trump’s tax returns: Don’t hold your breath
 

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i know. i was using sarcasm to show how utterly ridiculous it is that the "sleazy" politicians have released theirs for decades and decades and the "master" business person can't (because he's a million times more "sleazy").

doh,... missed the text sarcasm cue

FWIW since you too seem to have a few issues w/ POTUS (the stable genius business person) to make sure there is no misunderstanding I've taken the need for social distancing to work on my own visual sarcasm "art"

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doh,... missed the text sarcasm cue

FWIW since you too seem to have a few issues w/ POTUS (the stable genius business person) to make sure there is no misunderstanding I've taken the need for social distancing to work on my own visual sarcasm "art"

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you know, i'm against many of Trump's policies (selling off the commons, funneling more $$$$ to the wealthy (i've benefited), children in cages to deter illegal migration, tariffs that hurt farmers, abandoning the Kurds, more massive debt, not protecting the country against a threat, etc.



but as horrible as those things are, it's who he is as a person that's the worst. his soul is ugly. and ugly isn't the right word. he's just has no soul.
 

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you know, i'm against many of Trump's policies (selling off the commons, funneling more $$$$ to the wealthy (i've benefited), children in cages to deter illegal migration, tariffs that hurt farmers, abandoning the Kurds, more massive debt, not protecting the country against a threat, etc.



but as horrible as those things are, it's who he is as a person that's the worst. his soul is ugly. and ugly isn't the right word. he's just has no soul.



being a realist have come to the conclusion that 99.999% of politicians are for lack of a better phrase are self-centered "no talent ass clowns"

What Does 'Assclown' Mean? | Slang Definition of Assclown | Merriam-Webster

having said that will admit many politicians at least try to have policies that in the long run benefit society as a whole

WRT TRUMP having no "soul" actually disagree,....

I base my opinion on a passage found in Mary Trump's book about her uncle

In an article for The Atlantic, Adam Serwer wrote that, for Donald, the cruelty is the point. For Fred, that was entirely true. One of the few pleasures my grandfather had, aside from making money, was humiliating others. Convinced of his rightness in all situations, buoyed by his stunning success and a belief in his superiority, he had to punish any challenge to his authority swiftly and decisively and put the challenger in his place. That was effectively what happened when Fred promoted Donald over Freddy to be president of Trump Management.

Unlike my grandfather, Donald has always struggled for legitimacy—as an adequate replacement for Freddy, as a Manhattan real estate developer or casino tycoon, and now as the occupant of the Oval Office who can never escape the taint of being utterly without qualification or the sense that his “win” was illegitimate. Over Donald’s lifetime, as his failures mounted despite my grandfather’s repeated —and extravagant—interventions, his struggle for legitimacy, which could never be won, turned into a scheme to make sure nobody found out that he’s never been legitimate at all. This has never been more true than it is now, and it is exactly the conundrum our country finds itself in: the government as it is currently constituted, including the executive branch, half of Congress, and the majority of the Supreme Court, is entirely in the service of protecting Donald’s ego; that has become almost its entire purpose.

His cruelty serves, in part, as a means to distract both us and himself from the true extent of his failures. The more egregious his failures become, the more egregious his cruelty becomes.

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Too Much and Never Enough | Book by Mary L. Trump | Official Publisher Page | Simon & Schuster

personally looking at TRUMPs past track record, hope its not too late for this nation to save itself from ending up like one of his many failed business dealings

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He's already appealed; I wanna know how that works, why is there always just another series of endless appeals? At this rate he'll be dead before we ever see his financials.

This is his last appeal on these issues... His lawyers did not provide for another appeal in their filings...
 

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This is his last appeal on these issues... His lawyers did not provide for another appeal in their filings...

They may get compliance from the banks, but I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut, if the supreme court ordered him to turn stuff over, he'd still refuse.
 

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They may get compliance from the banks, but I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut, if the supreme court ordered him to turn stuff over, he'd still refuse.

That's the thing, he doesn't have to turn over anything.. the subpoena is for records held by his accounting firm...
 

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They may get compliance from the banks, but I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut, if the supreme court ordered him to turn stuff over, he'd still refuse.

At some point refusal won't be an option and he can't control a subpoena from the Manhattan DA to Donnie's accounting firm. Donald's problem is that he is a walking indictment. So was his father. But his father was smart enough to keep his head below the grass line. Donald has stuck his head way above the grass line and because of that once they get their teeth into him, they won't let go. That is the way the system is in this country. Stay below the grass line and you might be able to go a whole life not getting caught. Stick you head above the grass line and once they get their teeth into you we will never let go.

But that should tell us that this is an all or nothing shot for Donald. He loses in November and he ends up facing about a zillion years none of them related to anything he did specific to the office of President.

Virtually every document he ever signed in Trump Corp is an open and shut, bank fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud or real estate fraud case just sitting there. Often all four at the same time. All the Manhattan DA or a Federal Prosecutor needs is the tax records and the Trump Corp records and or the bank records and Donnie is Done. Whoever has been signing while Donnie has been in office is done too.
 

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He's already appealed; I wanna know how that works, why is there always just another series of endless appeals? At this rate he'll be dead before we ever see his financials.

Because the office of the Presidency is automatically given more leeway than other people (I'm not just making that up, btw). One he's out of office, you're going to see this endless parade of appeals come to a screech halt.
 

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They may get compliance from the banks, but I'd bet a dollar to a hole in a doughnut, if the supreme court ordered him to turn stuff over, he'd still refuse.

Well, what he would do is file another stay using a different argument, if I had to guess.
 
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Well, what he would do is file another stay using a different argument, if I had to guess.

After today's loss, he will try to do just that.

BREAKING: The Second Circuit DENIES Trump’s request for a stay of Manhattan DA Vance’s subpoena pending appeal and schedules arguments for Sept. 1.

Trump previously announced plans to seek a stay from SCOTUS.


https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1296924004863954945

Of course, for all except the die hard Thumpers, this only infers more guilt.
 

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After today's loss, he will try to do just that.



Of course, for all except the die hard Thumpers, this only infers more guilt.

You know, at a certain point one does wonder, if only theoretically, whether one could do this literally forever. Surely the judges are getting increasingly pissed off by this.
 
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