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My question for this ny judge is that if he is all for constitutional rights how can he sit back and let Bloomberg ban guns like he has?
he didn't Persey but he has made it almost impossible to get a chl with out a lot of money and patience. He also had made refused to honnor chls from other states. He also has founded mayor against guns.when did Bloomberg ban guns?
what gun case appeared before this judge?
he didn't Persey....
To the extent of? No. Not at all.
Until I find provable stories of dead OWS participants, ANY talk of police overreaction will fall on deaf ears here. Even then, my bias will always be in favor of the LEOs over OWS.
of course he didn't.
Dead OWS participants? Wow...just wow.
But his policies are a violation of the second amendment.
If people like Tigger drove history we'd still be under a king and the vast majority of us would be slaves.
Apathy.Lol if there is so much inequality how come the average citizen is unaware of it?
How is this not a problem? How is it "sensationalized"?Inequality is not something that someone needs to be told exists. Inequality is something that people cannot but to recognize since it is around them at every turn. The problem is that OWS sensationalized the concept of inequality too much. OWS was disconnected from reality and the average citizen notice that disconnect just as they notice the disconnect the wealthy politicians have.
It brought the issue to the limelightThen there wasnt any success now was there?
How?Its that small percentage that is controlling the majority of the movement now.
Proof?
They are marching on a bridge. Of course traffic is going to have to slow down....First they were not just slowing down tragic they were purposely stopping it.
Yes. In a peaceful manner.The entire premise of the original protesters were to shut down Wall Street by having mass protests in the middle of it.
They never stopped any traffic. They were marching. If they wanted to "shut down the bridge" they would just sit.And lets be honest they were not talking about just stopping traffic in a road.
EhhhhhhhhOWS planned on causing a disruption to the stock market in an attempt to topple our financial system.
Its kind of hard to shut something down when your not even trying to get in the building....It was an attempted economic terrorism tactic.
Or protesting a couple blocks away from it...
:roll:
Yes of course. Quite the conspiracy you got there yet again. :roll:And at the same time another group headed by the owners of Firedoglake were going to protest in DC to demand the end of military actions. It was a two prong attempt to get people to move against the government in hopes of toppling it like in Egypt. And the entire charade was put on by solely Leftist groups. But thankfully they failed miserably. If they had make any victories we would probably not be discussing this on here but would be fighting in a civil war.
Oakland is not separate from OWS, in fact they are collectively bound together in solidarity as I have shown you. The occupy movement is viewed as a whole not separate protests. So Oakland is not off limits, no matter how much they have made OWS look bad OWS does not agree with you that Oakland is separate from the movement.But you are correct this is not just about Oakland it is about the entire occupy movement.
So what is the entire occupy movement upto? Occupy's Pledge to FIGHT BACK
Occupy's Pledge to FIGHT BACK
We Didn’t Start the Class War
The 1% wreck our economy, kill our jobs, seize our homes, assault our rights, destroy the environment, and sentence us to lives of debt and war. For years, we have petitioned our governments for change without redress and have fought tirelessly to elect politicians who only betray us. In a world where the 1% have usurped democracy and politicians refuse to serve the people, the people have but one choice—to fight back!
The relentless class war against the 99% must end. We’ve been deceived our whole lives into believing the only way to create change is by voting, but now we’re learning there’s another way. A revolution for real democracy is underway, and it falls on each and every one of us to fight together for our common future. We will cast the vote of resistance. We will take direct action to shut this broken system down and build a better world that works in the interest of all people, everywhere.
Then they give you these choices:
Will you help us wage resistance? (Check off all that apply)
I pledge to come out in the streets when Occupy calls for a day of action.
I pledge to attend at least one meeting with my local Occupy group.
Click Here to find one in your area
I pledge to help promote #occupy news and actions via social media.
I pledge to donate what I make in one hour to an Occupy-related project.
Click Here for our curated list of places to donate
I pledge to never go to work during a general strike.
I pledge to help organize my co-workers to make demands. It doesn’t matter if I’m behind a desk, a cash register, or a machine—we deserve better treatment.
Click Here to learn how
I pledge to attend a direct action / civil disobedience training session.
Click Here for NYC Summer Disobedience School
Click Here for online video training
I pledge to dump my bank and join a credit union.
Click Here to find one in your area
I pledge to start an affinity group to occupy something.
This can be just about anything. Like a park, a farm, defending a foreclosed home, or holding a sit-in at your town hall or school. You might only need a half dozen or so dedicated people. Issue demands if you like, but don't go home until they're met. You can even use blockading to make it extra hard for them to remove you. Remember: Occupying is a militant nonviolent tactic meant to assert control over physical space by reclaiming it for a new purpose while disrupting the ability of your adversary to use that space, thus forcing recognition of your cause. You don't need a permit any more than Martin Luther King Jr. needed permission to hold sit-ins at lunch counters. This is the very meaning of civil disobedience, but it also means you'll be risking arrest so you should consider seeking legal counsel beforehand. How much does change mean to you?
This last choice is interesting. It tells us exactly what 'Occupying" is defined as: Occupying is a militant nonviolent tactic meant to assert control over physical space by reclaiming it for a new purpose while disrupting the ability of your adversary to use that space, thus forcing recognition of your cause.
Also of interest is that OWS is asserting that they are involved in direct action Which the have made a link for that says this:direct action is
non-violent civil disobedience, demonstrations, strikes, sit-ins—activities undertaken by individuals or groups to influence change outside of electoral politics.
My point is this: That the occupy movement does not believe in democracy at least not until they have the numbers. They keep making it clear that they do not want to vote on anything that they want to force an revolution on the US and the rest of the world. OWS does not = the 99% and OWS has admitted it. Which is why I have always asserted that Americans will not allow Leftists to dictate to us what we do. OWS is not about equality OWS is about taking over and forcing everyone to believe in their ideologies.
This is the very meaning of civil disobedience, but it also means you'll be risking arrest so you should consider seeking legal counsel beforehand. How much does change mean to you?
Im not debating this here.......
Move it somewhere else then i will respond so it wont derail the thread
That would be the only reaction from law enforcement that I could even come close to categorizing as an over-reaction to the worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen.
Yep SINCE someone has a different opinion than you and voice their opinion in a different way they are "worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen".
You cant have a "wrong opinion" thats why its called AN OPINIONNope. It's the fact that they have a wrong opinion
Oh god they protest!and choose to disturb the peace to protest it that I consider them such.
:roll:Either one of those issues individually I could probably deal with. Both of them together is just too much.
Really?Apathy.
How is this not a problem? How is it "sensationalized"?
http://i46.tinypic.com/e188lx.pn[/QUOTE]
So this graph alone means inequality to you?
[QUOTE]It brought the issue to the limelight [/QUOTE] And then faded quickly.
[QUOTE]How?
Proof?[/QUOTE]I already provided that top you.
[QUOTE]They are marching on a bridge. Of course traffic is going to have to slow down....
Yes. In a peaceful manner.
They never stopped any traffic. They were marching. If they wanted to "shut down the bridge" they would just sit.
[/QUOTE] "Whose bridge is this – our bridge! Take the bridge!" A small group cannot take a public space for themselves.
[QUOTE]Ehhhhhhhh Its kind of hard to shut something down when your not even trying to get in the building....
Or protesting a couple blocks away from it...
:roll:
[/QUOTE]Ok here you go.
[url=http://occupywallst.org/article/watch-wall-street-shut-down-live/]Watch Wall Street Shut Down. Live. | OccupyWallSt.org[/url]
[I]12:14 pm: global solidarity actions: Occupy LA blocking bridge into financial district; Occupy Portland closes Steel Bridge; 30,000 march in Greece; more updates to come.[/I]
[url=http://occupywallst.org/action/november-17th/]November 17th Day of Action | OccupyWallSt.org[/url] [I]New York City
BREAKFAST: Shut Down Wall Street - 7:00 a.m.
Enough of this economy that exploits and divides us. It's time we put an end to Wall Street's reign of terror and begin building an economy that works for all. We will gather in Liberty Square at 7:00 a.m., before the ring of the Trading Floor Bell, to prepare to confront Wall Street with the stories of people on the frontlines of economic injustice. There, before the Stock Exchange, we will exchange stories rather than stocks.[/I]
[url=http://occupywallst.org/article/may-1st-blockade-called-new-york-bridges-tunnels-a/]May 1st Blockade Called For New York Bridges, Tunnels, and Ferries[/url]
[url=http://occupythebridge.com/]Occupy the Bridge[/url]
[I][QUOTE]Yes of course. Quite the conspiracy you got there yet again. [/QUOTE][/I][url=http://occupywallst.org/article/September_Revolution/]A Modest Call to Action on this September 17th | OccupyWallSt.org[/url]
[QUOTE]Im not debating this here.......
Move it somewhere else then i will respond so it wont derail the thread[/QUOTE]It was completely on topic. What exactly is it that you are not debating? Did you even read my response it was not about Oakland just the first short paragraph mentioned Oakland? Did you not even read this far? [I]But you are correct this is not just about Oakland it is about the entire occupy movement.[/I]
No. I was planning on getting myself to them, not the other way around.
You don't have a Constitutional right to protest. You have a Constitutional right to peaceably assemble. Intentionally blocking traffic, is not peaceful.
As the VAST SiperMajority of people deserve to be.
Nope. It's the fact that they have a wrong opinion and choose to disturb the peace to protest it that I consider them such. Either one of those issues individually I could probably deal with. Both of them together is just too much.
What's stopping you?
It is non-violent civil disobedience, just as when, in an earlier time, I joined in a demonstration by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War that blocked the main entrance to the Wright-Patterson AFB during the Vietnam War.
What's stopping you?
You cant have a "wrong opinion" thats why its called AN OPINION
Oh god they protest!
The moment they impede the way of decent, law-abiding folks getting around and living their lives I say we should simply be allowed to do whatever is necessary to get them out of the way. Whether that's running them down, gunning them down, or whatever else is necessary.
The problem is when that opinion is contrary to all reason, logic, common sense, and morality.
And if the economic political system impedes people from living their lives they should do whatever is necessary to get them out of their way .....
So far they've only protested .....
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