Judge orders Indiana DoC to give a baby killer his taxpayer-funded gender surgery (1 Viewer)

[CLAX1911]

By declining to provide free cosmetic surgery to a convicted murder.

Go be pro murderer all you want that's a bad look for you. And Oates partially delegitimizing transition but please keep doing it maybe one day it can be completely banned for people under a certain age and you're doing everything in the power to make sure that happens.

 

[Helix]

Oh, look. faux is serving up more anti-trans hate for its rage potatoes again. In reality, there are a whole shitload of cis hetero criminals out there, but you already knew that.

 

[noonereal]

I don't agree with assistance in suicide.

Why?

 

[Gatsby]

Oh, look. faux is serving up more anti-trans hate for its rage potatoes again. In reality, there are a whole shitload of cis hetero criminals out there, but you already knew that.

Do you favor or oppose giving taxpayer-funded sex change surgeries to child-murderers?

 

[Helix]

Do you favor or oppose giving taxpayer-funded sex change surgeries to child-murderers?

Do you understand my point?

 

[Luce]

Is there a non-Fox news source for this?

 

[Gatsby]

Do you understand my point?

Your point always seems to be mealy-mouthed meta-commentary ("lol why do you care" or "lol faux news"), with no thoughts whatsoever on the actual topic at hand.

At least @Lisa isn't afraid to say "Yes, it should be government policy that if you murder a child you can get a free vagina." Say what one wants about the horrendous immorality and unpopularity of that policy, but it takes more courage of conviction to defend the losing side of a 10-90 issue than it does to do lame meta-commentary.

 

[Helix]

Your point always seems to be mealy-mouthed meta-commentary ("lol why do you care" or "lol faux news"), with no thoughts whatsoever on the actual topic at hand.

At least @Lisa isn't afraid to say "Yes, it should be government policy that if you murder a child you can get a free vagina." Say what one wants about the horrendous immorality and unpopularity of that policy, but it takes more courage of conviction to defend the losing side of a 10-90 issue than it does to do lame meta-commentary.

How much time do you spend each day extrapolating one criminal into all trans people? That would be a strange hobby.

 

[Gatsby]

How much time do you spend each day extrapolating one criminal into all trans people? That would be a strange hobby.

I'm not. I'm asking you a very simple question. Do you think it should be the policy of the United States, or any state, to provide taxpayer-funded sex change surgeries to convicted child-murderers?

No extrapolation to non-murdering trans people, or non-trans child murderers, or whatever-the-hell about "Faux News", is required to answer that question. A yes or no will suffice.

 

[Helix]

I'm not. I'm asking you a very simple question. Do you think it should be the policy of the United States, or any state, to provide taxpayer-funded sex change surgeries to convicted child-murderers?

No extrapolation to non-murdering trans people, or non-trans child murderers, or whatever-the-hell about "Faux News", is required to answer that question. A yes or no will suffice.

It's a stupid question. You might as well ask me if I want to run beside a trans female at a high school track meet blasting the Chariots Of Fire theme on a kazoo.

 

[Gatsby]

It's a stupid question. You might as well ask me if I want to run beside a trans female at a high school track meet blasting the Chariots Of Fire theme on a kazoo.

Okiedoke! Have a great day.

 

[Helix]

Okiedoke! Have a great day.

Same to you.

 

[Deuce]

Time to file an appeal to the next level of Court.

Under what law does a person have not only a right to sexual reassignment surgery, but that the State using taxpayer money has to both arrange for and pay for such surgery?

IMO the ACLU (an organization I once upon a time fully supported) is now full of crap.

I bet if it gets to SCOTUS (which it may if the ruling is not smacked down by the Appellate Division) it is likely to be overturned.

If doctors say it is necessary, why should a judge override them?

 

[CLAX1911]

If doctors say it is necessary, why should a judge override them?

Waste of taxpayer money with the doctor says it's necessary he's a liar. No one's ever died of penis having.

 

[Gatsby]

If doctors say it is necessary, why should a judge override them?

Because the taxpayers have to foot the bill. If he's paying for it out of pocket, then it doesn't matter...have whatever procedures he can find a doctor to greenlight. Lobotomies, bloodletting, healing crystals, whatever he wants. Just don't expect taxpayers to cover it.

 

[Lisa]

Waste of taxpayer money with the doctor says it's necessary he's a liar. No one's ever died of penis having.

The proper medical term is having gender dysphoria and yes it is a common trigger of suicide for transgender people.

Method: An ex-post facto study with a sample of 151 people who were clients at the unit, 97 in the male to female trans group, 54 female to male. Clinical evaluations were carried out assessing variables of suicidal ideation and attempts, along with a possible psychiatric diagnosis.


Results: Almost half (48.3%) reported suicidal ideation, 23.8% had attempted suicide.


Conclusions: There are higher levels of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts in people with gender dysphoria than in the general population. No differences were seen between groups in terms of gender/sex. Psychiatric morbidity was not an influential variable for suicidal behaviour. This suggests that suicidal ideation is one of the best indicators of the risk of suicidal behaviours.

Suicidal ideation and suicide attempts in persons with gender dysphoria - PubMed

There are higher levels of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts in people with gender dysphoria than in the general population. No differences were seen between groups in terms of gender/sex. Psychiatric morbidity was not an influential variable for suicidal behaviour. This suggests that...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Gatsby]

The proper medical term is having gender dysphoria and yes it is a common trigger of suicide for transgender people.

Let's suppose for the sake of argument that's true. Why should taxpayers spend thousands of dollars to ensure that the convicted child-murderer doesn't commit suicide?

 

[Lisa]

Let's suppose for the sake of argument that's true. Why should taxpayers spend thousands of dollars to ensure that the convicted child-murderer doesn't commit suicide?

Is the 8th Amendment's prohibitions of cruel and unusual punishments confusing to you?

She didn't commit a capital crime and she wasn't sentenced to die for her conviction, so she cannot be put to death, either overtly or covertly because of the lack of necessary medical care, for her crime.

 

[Gatsby]

Is the 8th Amendment's prohibitions of cruel and unusual punishments confusing to you?

It's not a punishment. No one is forcing him to kill himself. That doesn't mean taxpayers need to spend thousands of dollars to ensure that this piece of shit doesn't kill himself, of his own free will.

She didn't commit a capital crime and she wasn't sentenced to die for her conviction,

Ah yes, mustn't misgender the child murderer. That might make him feel bad.

so she cannot be put to death, either overtly or covertly because of the lack of necessary medical care, for her crime.

The only way he will die from his bad case of penis-having, with which nearly 50% of the population is also afflicted without any problem, is if he kills himself. He has personal agency to make that decision; no one is forcing him. His body is healthy. And if he kills himself, I couldn't care less. Sounds like a win-win.

 

[Crunchtime]

I'm a long time member of the ACLU and I support this decision. Unless you can prove that this is a jailhouse conversion with alter motives then she deserves to get the medical care she seeks. We all have equal rights, and not just the people you agree with.

This is a pathetic example of civil liberties. A baby killer to receive elective sex change surgery at tax payers expense. This is a classic example of why the death penalty applies in certain cases. I’m going to contain my urge to insult you.

 

[Crunchtime]

It's fascinating to see people coming out swinging against gender-affirming care for those in prison. Apparently two wrongs do make a right.

Put a gold ring in a pigs nose and it’s still a pig. “Reproductive healthcare” equals abortion which equals killing the unborn. “Gender affirming care” equals butchery. “Capital punishment” equals a legal execution and that’s what this individual deserves.

 

[Crunchtime]

Why do you care? Are your taxes paying for this?

Did you miss the part about reckless homicide of a baby?

 

[Captain Adverse]

IMO the only kind of surgeries that might qualify for being paid via taxpayer funding are those that are ACTUALLY "life-saving" and/or restorative to some level of physical functionality.

The mere fear a person may choose to take their own life because they suffer from some form of body dysmorphia that it would thereby compel the use of taxpayer funds is ridiculous.

IMO, anyone who has this issue and continues to "suffer" from it into adulthood should save up their money and/or appeal to some left-leaning charity for funding. Tax dollars should never go to this kind of "expense."

 

[Crunchtime]

IMO the only kind of surgeries that might qualify for being paid via taxpayer funding are those that are ACTUALLY "life-saving" and/or restorative to some level of physical functionality.

The mere fear a person may choose to take their own life because they suffer from some form of body dysmorphia that it would thereby compel the use of taxpayer funds is ridiculous.

IMO, anyone who has this issue and continues to "suffer" from it into adulthood should save up their money and/or appeal to some left-leaning charity for funding. Tax dollars should never go to this kind of "expense."

Common sense post. You’re in the minority around here though.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

If this is accurate and not Foxed up for ratings and full pearl-clutching effect, then I say: No. She can complete her transition once she is out of prison.

If she is in serious mental health danger due to not getting the surgeries she wants, that needs to be determined first by some pretty thorough psych testing.