Judge dismisses Trump lawsuit against Clinton over 2016 Russia allegations

[NWRatCon]

I should take a break from this thread. It's apparently bad for my health. I broke a rule of mine to not read certain posters' "contributions" because it is a waste of time and kills brain cells, but I did. Now I am laughing so hard, I busted a gut. My doctor told me not to do it anymore.

 

[Athanasius68]

thats a matter of opinion and it was never litigated.. PA actions DID harm Tx voters will -if the PA votes were unConstitionally inflated.. that is not a" frivolous" matter,and SCOTUS never claimed that

No it doesn't impact Texas.

The correct way to look at all this is that the progressives hereabouts are suddenly becoming strict constructionists when it becomes politically convenient for them to do so.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Yes.

Which basically means no one else would file it I'm guessing.

 

[mrjurrs]

SCOTUS hates to get into election disputes,but they punted on standing as well there .
Really there are no effective mechanisms for election result disputes. courts also use the
"not substantive" dodge, so challenges to process just die.

One state has no standing to0 challenge another states election process. Pretty simple actually. A case that is not exactly about voting results but is pretty on point could be Seminole Tribe of FL v State of FL.

 

[yankintx]

Judge rejects Trump lawsuit vs. Clinton, others as 'hyperbole'

A U.S. judge has dismissed Donald Trump's lawsuit against his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton, saying the former Republican president's allegations that Democrats tried to rig that election by linking his campaign to Russia was an attempt to "flaunt" political grievances that did not belong in court.

www.reuters.com

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Mr. Trump appears to be keeping his losing record intact, since his 2020 election law suits.

Womp Womp

This man led election deniers to an insurrection, aided by Republican leadership.

MAGAS are still election deniers with a silent compliciemt Republican leadership.

No one in there right man should even be giving Trump the time of day.

 

[The AntiDonald]

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This is just hilarious. Even though Hillary lost the 2016 election, she has had so many last laughs since then, it makes me laugh. She been proven right over and over again.

The deplorables lose again. And again, and again, with more losses on the way.

 

[anatta]

No, it did not.... not in your wildest dreams, which apparently are quite wild. Texas controls the rules around its vote; Pennsylvania controls its vote. Texas has no more interest in how Pennsylvania votes than I do in how you vote. I can not sue you because I don't like your vote even if nor rigor was involved (ya flipped a coin). How you vote is your business. How Pennsylvania votes it its business, not Texas.

More over, the issue deals with ACTUAL harm. There is no way to determine ACTUAL harm in a vote. Hence, there would be no standing.

Moreover, how is there any harm? The election happened as prescribed. Texas gets its vote; Pennsylvania theirs. That actually happened. Texas made their best efforts to help Trump be re-elected. That re-election effort fell short because other states wanted Biden. That is they American elections work. If there was an issue around the Pennsylvania vote, those issues belong in the domain of the Pennsylvania courts to be determined by Pennsylvanians, unless civil rights were violated, which none were.

I suggest you read a little bit about this issue to understand it, as you clearly do not. There is no point getting your panties bunched by your own ignorance.

https://wp0.vanderbilt.edu/lawreview/wp-content/uploads/sites/278/2015/11/Understanding-Standing.pdf

I'm not going to debate the harm i showed th harm ,but SCOTUS has original jurisdiction on this and refused on standing
Meaning there simply is not judicial remedy for one state to challenge anothers perceived malfeasance
no matter how far other states violate their own state Constitution ..
which was my original point. Our presidential elections are not able to be remedied -even with blatant internal disregard for a states process

 

[yankintx]

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30 years of Hillary Derangement Syndrome

Election deniers

Insurrectionist

They are not worthy to even carry an American passport.

I hope Hillary had a good laugh at Trump's expense, the rest of us our laughing at him as well.

 

[Fearandloathing]

This is just too precious for words. Trump has had a really, really bad summer.

HAHHAHAHAH.

Here's to a bad rest of his life

 

[Fearandloathing]

well it's true Clinton was behind the Steele dossier, and Sussman back doored it tothe FBI (lying or not) while Nellie Ohr was pumping it in as well....but i dont know how you litigate the harm on that

"...well it's true Clinton was behind the Steele dossier,

Proof please.

Usually I let lie things this aged and time worn.

But continuing dishonesty is a red flag, lies, lies, lies.

All you have to do to fool people is lie, keep lying until its accepted as truth.

That was Adolf Hitler.

So let's see on what you base that criminal condemnation.

We all know you have nothing, but I'm kinda interested in how you will lie.

 

[99percenter]

Yes. Hillary rigged the election so trump can win.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Psychologists are having a field day analyzing this shit.

Comedy!

Every average Joe can analyze Trump, he's an open book who is slave to his own fears.

A field day crying!

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yes. Hillary rigged the election so trump can win.

I never thought of that!

Good call!

 

[upsideguy]

I'm not going to debate the harm i showed th harm

There is no harm. Pennsylvania gets to legislate and enforce its own laws. It also gets to vote for who it wants no matter who that is. Texas gets its votes; Pennsylvania gets theirs. You can have your process to determine your vote; I can have mine. If you vote randomly (a bad process) and make a very bad vote and it causes my candidate to lose, that is just the way it works. Texas has no say in who Pennsylvania votes for; Pennsylvania has no say in who Texas votes for. Texas voted for Trump; Pennsylvania voted for Biden. Biden won. Texas as no standing to complain on how Pennsylvania voted or even followed it process. Only Pennsylvania residents can make such a complaint. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

,but SCOTUS has original jurisdiction on this and refused on standing
Meaning there simply is not judicial remedy for one state to challenge anothers perceived malfeasance

SCOTUS has no authority over the Pennsylvania vote process unless civil rights were in question. See 10th Amendment in context with rest of constitution. Certainly Texas has no skin in the game of how Pennsylvania conducts there elections any more than I can sue you for voting on whim. Its your prerogative to vote how you want just as its Pennsylvania's to decide how it conducts its elections

no matter how far other states violate their own state Constitution ..
which was my original point. Our presidential elections are not able to be remedied -even with blatant internal disregard for a states process

Texas has no more jurisdiction over Pennsylvania elections than your neighbor has jurisdiction in you enforcing your kid's bed times.

 

[anatta]

"...well it's true Clinton was behind the Steele dossier,

Proof please.

Usually I let lie things this aged and time worn.

But continuing dishonesty is a red flag, lies, lies, lies.

All you have to do to fool people is lie, keep lying until its accepted as truth.

That was Adolf Hitler.

So let's see on what you base that criminal condemnation.

We all know you have nothing, but I'm kinda interested in how you will lie.

Cmon F&L.. either do some research, or stop with the obvious pettifogging

DNC, Clinton campaign agree to Steele dossier funding fine

Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation.

apnews.com

 

[Captain Adverse]

well it's true Clinton was behind the Steele dossier, and Sussman back doored it tothe FBI (lying or not) while Nellie Ohr was pumping it in as well....but i dont know how you litigate the harm on that

I don't know what issue Trump's legal team raised, but the only thing I could imagine would be a defamation suit.

The problem remains in establishing a direct link to some harm either intangible (reputation) or tangible (financial, loss of profits).

Those on the left would argue Trump suffered no harms because he's responsible as a public figure for his tarnished reputation.

This despite much of that was due to actually being targeted by many persons, organizations, and special interests.

 

[anatta]

There is no harm. Pennsylvania gets to legislate and enforce its own laws. It also gets to vote for who it wants no matter who that is. Texas gets its votes; Pennsylvania gets theirs. Texas has no say in who Pennsylvania votes for; Pennsylvania has no say in who Texas votes for. Texas voted for Trump; Pennsylvania voted for Biden. Biden won. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?



No there isn't.... See 10th Amendment in context with rest of constitution. Unless one's civil rights are violated, the federal government has no jurisdiction. Certainly Texas has no skin in the game of how Pennsylvania conducts there elections any more than I can sue you for voting on whim. Its your prerogative to vote how you want just as its Pennsylvania's to decide how it conducts its elections


Texas has no more jurisdiction over Pennsylvania elections than your neighbor has jurisdiction in you enforcing your kid's bed times.

good point on the 10th, (have to think about that one) but (ex) when I am voting for a candidate and another voter casts an illegal vote for the same - I am harmed (my vote effectively cancelled) -the basis for the harm claim..Tx is harmed if PA allows improper votes to be cast since electors from both states are casting votes

It's all moot. I did see the PA Supreme Court directly ruled against their own state Constituion requirements
A lower appellate court earlier this year ruled in favor of the GOP officials, saying that permitting no-excuse mail voting through a statutory change violated the state constitution and court precedent dating back to the 1920s.

But in Tuesday’s majority opinion for the state Supreme Court, Justice Christine Donohue wrote that the Pennsylvania General Assembly “is endowed with great legislative power, subject only to express restrictions in the Constitution.”

Pa. Supreme Court upholds no-excuse mail voting ahead of midterms | Spotlight PA

A lower appellate court earlier this year sided with Republican lawmakers, saying that permitting no-excuse mail voting required amending the state constitution.

www.spotlightpa.org

Somewhere there needs to be a remedy, but we aren't going to get it as SCOTUS is blowing off original jurisdication under standing..Im no fan of Trumps continual inability to accept the results, b ut if thre is no remedy people do crazy shit like 1/6

 

[Fearandloathing]

Cmon F&L.. either do some research, or stop with the obvious pettifogging

DNC, Clinton campaign agree to Steele dossier funding fine

Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation.

apnews.com

Is it OK If I don't give a shit about ancient history?

I have no idea what is 'pettyfogging and don't care.

I respond to name calling, dares etc. with a little button under your ID called "ignore"

I am truly sorry I complemented you earlier. Go hurl insults somewhere else.

 

[anatta]

Is it OK If I don't give a shit about ancient history?

I have no idea what is 'pettyfogging and don't care.

I respond to name calling, dares etc. with a little button under your ID called "ignore"

Iam truly sorry I complemented you earlier. Go hurl insults somewhere else.

saying some one is pettifogging isn't name calling/insulting . it's a critique

 

[Galactic Spin]

I should take a break from this thread. It's apparently bad for my health. I broke a rule of mine to not read certain posters' "contributions" because it is a waste of time and kills brain cells, but I did. Now I am laughing so hard, I busted a gut. My doctor told me not to do it anymore.

I'm not going to debate the harm i showed th harm ,

No you didn't. You merely claimed harm. Which is laughable for the same reason Texas's claim was laughable, but apparently you haven't read any criticism of it. The biggest one is not having a shred of proof that any election results were affected.

So one has to buy into the big lie to buy into this. And no normal, rational person does either.

 

[yankintx]

Comedy!

Every average Joe can analyze Trump, he's an open book who is slave to his own fears.

A field day crying!

Everything Trump for 2016-2020 was based on the principle:

How does this benefit me for reelection.

He has no principles or ideals as its very much focused on introspection.

I ask MAGAS what does Trump stand for in his quest for a win in 2024, they don't have a clue. Why because Trump is all about him, many of the smart people who where in the West Wing will attest to this, including John Bolten.

 

[SILVER SURFER]

Mr. Trump appears to be keeping his losing record intact, since his 2020 election law suits.

Instead of filing the suit in West Palm Beach (4 miles from Mar-A-Lago), he went to Fort Pierce (70 miles) because that's where his pet judge, Aileen 'Loose' Cannon, sits. But in a hilarious stroke of karma, the suit landed with Judge Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Poor Donald.

Poor, poor Donald.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Judge rejects Trump lawsuit vs. Clinton, others as 'hyperbole'

A U.S. judge has dismissed Donald Trump's lawsuit against his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton, saying the former Republican president's allegations that Democrats tried to rig that election by linking his campaign to Russia was an attempt to "flaunt" political grievances that did not belong in court.

www.reuters.com

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Mr. Trump appears to be keeping his losing record intact, since his 2020 election law suits.

"Claque Failed Casino Operator" will see this as just more evidence that Mr. Trump is correct and is the victim of the wacko, loony, crazy, left-wing, liberal, socialist, pinko, commies' huge, vast, enormous, secret, hidden, covert, conspiratorial plot to conceal the truth and to steal the 2020 election and deny his legal victory to DONALD JOHN TRUMP whom God guided Americans into choosing as THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA so that THE UNITED! STATES OF AMERICA! could fulfill its God Mandated role as the Saviour of Mankind and who want to impose Sherry Law (with its mandatory same-sex, inter-racial, marriages and forced abortions of all white, male, pre-born, children AND compulsory autism causing vaccinations) on America so that all the Cheerleaders would have to wear Burke Hats and football would be banned because it uses pig skin.'.​

 

[Airyaman]

Texas DOES have an interest if it's electors dont have the power to elect due to other states malfeasance

The weird part is the Supreme Court of PA ( Democratic tool) overrode there own state Constituiton of expanding mail in ballots when Act 77 was passed. (if i got this correct)

SCOTUS needed to hear this,but they despise getting into separation of powers issues.
Like I said "really no remedy exists for election disputes"

But nothing other states did had any effect on Texas's electors. Each state contributes their own slate of electors, has nothing to do with other states. Each state makes it's own election laws.