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Judge Boasberg cancels planned hearing to review Trump deportations

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hey hey good bye now. ****ing activists judges gotta get pruned

Judge Boasberg cancels planned hearing to review Trump deportations

A federal judge has canceled a planned hearing on the Trump administration's use of an 18th-century law to deport foreign nationals after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the president.
www.foxnews.com
In a minute order published Tuesday morning, U.S. District Judge James Boasberg announced that the previously scheduled Tuesday afternoon hearing would be vacated in light of the high court's ruling, which determined, among other things, that the "appropriate venue for such proceedings is the Southern District of Texas," or wherever plaintiffs that are subject to potential removal are currently being held.
 
Slavister said:
Excellent news! Can't wait for Trump to deport all "alleged gang members" to El Salvador! Especially Biden, Harris and Obama!

MAGA
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People who demand due process for foreign gang members are in league with foreign gang members and should be treated the same.
 
Three wins in the courts in the last couple of days.
 

Interesting, did you notice the ruling?

"Detainees "must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs,"

Sounds like a rejection, and it is but NO ! No temporary stay, why did they sidestep this?

THEY'RE scared sh*tless, they know that if they rule against trump they will create a constitutional crisis. So while they side with the plaintiffs who considered themselves the winner, they won't stop his EO. If they issued an order to stop the EO, we would have a constitutional crisis, although not by itself destructive, until the next one comes up. Trump won't obey a court he disagrees with.

Dissent -
“I lament that the Court appears to have embarked on a new era of procedural variability, and that it has done so in such a casual, inequitable, and, in my view, inappropriate manner,”

“With more and more of our most significant rulings taking place in the shadows of our emergency docket, today’s Court leaves less and less of a trace,” she continued. “But make no mistake: We are just as wrong now as we have been in the past, with similarly devastating consequences. It just seems we are now less willing to face it.”
 
Wonder how they threatened him......or his family.
 
j brown's body said:
Uh, shouldn't we be sure they're gang members?
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Oh, so you express a scintilla of doubt for the honor and professionalism of our law enforcement agencies? That sounds an awful lot like gang member talk, j brown's body.

EDIT: I really should have added a [/sarc] at the end of the last comment.
 
Felis Leo said:
People who demand due process for foreign gang members are in league with foreign gang members and should be treated the same.
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Uh, shouldn't we be sure they're gang members?

If they rule against him, he will continue to threaten the court's legitimacy..

He will anyway of course, when lower courts rule against him. But Roberts is just worried about his court. He thinks he can protect their power; I wouldn't be so sure.
 
Felis Leo said:
Oh, so you express a scintilla of doubt for the honor and professionalism of our law enforcement agencies? That sounds an awful lot like gang member talk, j brown's body.

EDIT: I really should have added a [/sarc] at the end of the last comment.
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Its in the Constitution.
 

Based on the reckless and lawless idiocy of Donald Trump and his coterie, I believe that we will be faced with circumstances under which the Supreme Court will be forced into a corner and rule definitively against the Trump Administration for some grossly unconstitutional action they have taken.

At that point, Donald Trump will almost certainly ask the question that Roberts has been dreading all along: "Oh, yeah? And what are you going to do to stop me?" And Roberts will have to come to terms with his having presided over the coronation of a mad king...and having displeased that same mad king he helped crown.
 
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the ruling by SCOTUS inserted a "federal hearing" for gangstas removed even under the AEA. So they get their due process even if they are already targeted for removal
 
They get a writ of habeus corpus hearing
 
I suppose we can idiotically call anything done against the current administration as LAWFARE™ or those who stand against it "activist judges" etc. This so daft.
 
ElChupacabra said:
I suppose we can idiotically call anything done against the current administration as LAWFARE™ or those who stand against it "activist judges" etc. This so daft.
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no not "anything".
start with judge shopping and clearly district judges handing out nationwide TROs at a staggering rate compared to previous POTUS is a good working definition
 
anatta said:
They get a writ of habeus corpus hearing
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Wasn't that the issue?
The government stated in their filing that many had no criminal record.


"The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs,"

That's from the majority opinion. Many of us here on DP were stressing the lack of due process. Trump's DOJ appealed. The majority agreed with us. They disagreed with trump.

Our government skipped due process and on that key issue the court rejected the means:

"It added that going forward, detainees subject to the 1798 law "must receive notice" that they face removal under the Alien Enemies Act."

Supreme Court clears way for deportations of alleged Venezuelan gang members to resume, but with chance for judicial review

President Trump issued a proclamation on March 14 invoking the Alien Enemies Act to summarily deport Venezuelan migrants who are allegedly members of the gang Tren de Aragua.
www.cbsnews.com

That was the issue and trump didn't win. My point is that this case is an example of how the court is scared to rule against him.
 
AEA doesn't require convictions -there are other means to remove criminals.. the AEA language also doesnt require a war to remove them:
when a foreign government threatens or undertakes an “invasion” or “predatory incursion” against U.S. territory.
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you have to read the Proclamation to see how Maduro uses TdA. here is a relevant passage

Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act Regarding the Invasion of The United States by Tren De Aragua

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION Tren de Aragua (TdA) is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of
www.whitehouse.gov
Nicolas Maduro, who claims to act as Venezuela’s President and asserts control over the security forces and other authorities in Venezuela, also maintains close ties to regime-sponsored narco-terrorists. Maduro leads the regime-sponsored enterprise Cártel de los Soles, which coordinates with and relies on TdA and other organizations to carry out its objective of using illegal narcotics as a weapon to “flood” the United States. In 2020, Maduro and other regime members were charged with narcoterrorism and other crimes in connection with this plot against America.

Over the years, Venezuelan national and local authorities have ceded ever-greater control over their territories to transnational criminal organizations, including TdA. The result is a hybrid criminal state that is perpetrating an invasion of and predatory incursion into the United States,
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Trump won on the merits of TdA being a "predatory incursion". SCOTUS added the writ of habeus corpus for due process
Im fine with the ruling -are you?
 
(Why can't trump have the patience to accomplish his goals without a mess?)


anatta said:
AEA doesn't require convictions -there are other means to remove criminals.. the AEA language also doesnt require a war to remove them:
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I already agreed. Scotus didn't say he couldn't use AEA again, they added habeus as a step to be included, as you post here later. I didn't post to criticize the AEA.



But neither you or I can be sure any particular and individual prisoner in El Salvador is or isn't affiliated with Maduro+.


anatta said:
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Trump won on the merits of TdA being a "predatory incursion". SCOTUS added the writ of habeus corpus for due process
Im fine with the ruling -are you?
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I'm fine with the ruling except Scotus disagrees with trump that people can be deported without notice in the way it happened three weeks ago. That would mean the lower court ruling would be sustained or bumped down. But why didn't they sustain the lower court?

Scotus won't require something if they fear trump will not do it. ​

This case is a test of checks and balances that failed already. So yeah, I guess trump won.
 
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